earthmansurfer wrote:

djsunyc wrote:so it's been proven that bernie lies about 28% of the time when he campaigned. it's been proven trump lies about 71% of the time during campaigning and in debates. hillary...27%.

ok...so if trump lies 71% of the time...which 29% of his message do you believe? and is that enough to vote for him to be president?

i mean 71% is a mental disorder. but having people not care about the 71% lies is a bit more disturbing.

dont want hillary...fine. but voting trump is just madness.

voting for trump is giving the ok for gov't to tell women what to do with their bodies and for gays rights to be limited. but who cares about them, right? as long as me and my white buddies get ours, we ok.

With statements like "proven", you should really include a link and I'd be curious about the "questions" they used to derive such statistics. Something tells me, this isn't exactly a deep study.

I don't think she had to lie to help kill over 30,000 people in Libya. But, those are the kinds of lies that we are not privy to - you know, the real meaningful ones.
I don't think she lied to do her part in an unjust and illegal war, that cost over 1,000,000 lives in Iraq.
We do know she lied about the emails. Do we give more credence to lies that break the law and are against national security, than those lies they likely measured in this poll?
Don't give credence to empty statistics.

I wonder if Hillary's regular decisions are just more dangerous than lies.

Looks like we might find out soon enough, breaking news:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/792752933892874240

fishmike wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

djsunyc wrote:so it's been proven that bernie lies about 28% of the time when he campaigned. it's been proven trump lies about 71% of the time during campaigning and in debates. hillary...27%.

ok...so if trump lies 71% of the time...which 29% of his message do you believe? and is that enough to vote for him to be president?

i mean 71% is a mental disorder. but having people not care about the 71% lies is a bit more disturbing.

dont want hillary...fine. but voting trump is just madness.

voting for trump is giving the ok for gov't to tell women what to do with their bodies and for gays rights to be limited. but who cares about them, right? as long as me and my white buddies get ours, we ok.

With statements like "proven", you should really include a link and I'd be curious about the "questions" they used to derive such statistics. Something tells me, this isn't exactly a deep study.

I don't think she had to lie to help kill over 30,000 people in Libya. But, those are the kinds of lies that we are not privy to - you know, the real meaningful ones.
I don't think she lied to do her part in an unjust and illegal war, that cost over 1,000,000 lives in Iraq.
We do know she lied about the emails. Do we give more credence to lies that break the law and are against national security, than those lies they likely measured in this poll?
Don't give credence to empty statistics.

I wonder if Hillary's regular decisions are just more dangerous than lies.

Looks like we might find out soon enough, breaking news:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/792752933892874240

the % of honesty is documented on politifact.com the site that won the pulitzer. Just another outlet bought by big gov? Lunacy

It's obviously had a huge impact on the race.

Oh wait, it is Clintons more apparent corruption which people seem to be more concerned with.

fishmike wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

fishmike wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

djsunyc wrote:so it's been proven that bernie lies about 28% of the time when he campaigned. it's been proven trump lies about 71% of the time during campaigning and in debates. hillary...27%.

ok...so if trump lies 71% of the time...which 29% of his message do you believe? and is that enough to vote for him to be president?

i mean 71% is a mental disorder. but having people not care about the 71% lies is a bit more disturbing.

dont want hillary...fine. but voting trump is just madness.

voting for trump is giving the ok for gov't to tell women what to do with their bodies and for gays rights to be limited. but who cares about them, right? as long as me and my white buddies get ours, we ok.

With statements like "proven", you should really include a link and I'd be curious about the "questions" they used to derive such statistics. Something tells me, this isn't exactly a deep study.

I don't think she had to lie to help kill over 30,000 people in Libya. But, those are the kinds of lies that we are not privy to - you know, the real meaningful ones.
I don't think she lied to do her part in an unjust and illegal war, that cost over 1,000,000 lives in Iraq.
We do know she lied about the emails. Do we give more credence to lies that break the law and are against national security, than those lies they likely measured in this poll?
Don't give credence to empty statistics.

I wonder if Hillary's regular decisions are just more dangerous than lies.

Looks like we might find out soon enough, breaking news:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/792752933892874240

the % of honesty is documented on politifact.com the site that won the pulitzer. Just another outlet bought by big gov? Lunacy

It's obviously had a huge impact on the race.

Oh wait, it is Clintons more apparent corruption which people seem to be more concerned with.

obsessed with is more like it. Despite the witch hunts what has been unearthed is incredibly unimpressive. But keep pushing it accepting 5% of the picture as enough truth you need to convince yourself. Honestly reading your posts above most others actually having me voting for HRC. I was pretty locked into GJ despite his dopey nature, but when I see the Trump supporters and their desperation to spread a dishonest agenda I think its important to vote to HRC. Hey... Ill take a politician using her clout to garner donations that feed starving kids over Trump's treason relationship with the Kremlin. Making Amerika great again.

If anything any one person says can sway your opinion, you need to look in the mirror. Don't put that on any one person. It's on you and your ability to discern.
At the same time, if truth can be communicated, so as it can be understood, it will be believed. I think that is what is happening with the American people now.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/792754691155357696

earthmansurfer wrote:

fishmike wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

fishmike wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

djsunyc wrote:so it's been proven that bernie lies about 28% of the time when he campaigned. it's been proven trump lies about 71% of the time during campaigning and in debates. hillary...27%.

ok...so if trump lies 71% of the time...which 29% of his message do you believe? and is that enough to vote for him to be president?

i mean 71% is a mental disorder. but having people not care about the 71% lies is a bit more disturbing.

dont want hillary...fine. but voting trump is just madness.

voting for trump is giving the ok for gov't to tell women what to do with their bodies and for gays rights to be limited. but who cares about them, right? as long as me and my white buddies get ours, we ok.

With statements like "proven", you should really include a link and I'd be curious about the "questions" they used to derive such statistics. Something tells me, this isn't exactly a deep study.

I don't think she had to lie to help kill over 30,000 people in Libya. But, those are the kinds of lies that we are not privy to - you know, the real meaningful ones.
I don't think she lied to do her part in an unjust and illegal war, that cost over 1,000,000 lives in Iraq.
We do know she lied about the emails. Do we give more credence to lies that break the law and are against national security, than those lies they likely measured in this poll?
Don't give credence to empty statistics.

I wonder if Hillary's regular decisions are just more dangerous than lies.

Looks like we might find out soon enough, breaking news:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/792752933892874240

the % of honesty is documented on politifact.com the site that won the pulitzer. Just another outlet bought by big gov? Lunacy

It's obviously had a huge impact on the race.

Oh wait, it is Clintons more apparent corruption which people seem to be more concerned with.

obsessed with is more like it. Despite the witch hunts what has been unearthed is incredibly unimpressive. But keep pushing it accepting 5% of the picture as enough truth you need to convince yourself. Honestly reading your posts above most others actually having me voting for HRC. I was pretty locked into GJ despite his dopey nature, but when I see the Trump supporters and their desperation to spread a dishonest agenda I think its important to vote to HRC. Hey... Ill take a politician using her clout to garner donations that feed starving kids over Trump's treason relationship with the Kremlin. Making Amerika great again.

If anything any one person says can sway your opinion, you need to look in the mirror. Don't put that on any one person. It's on you and your ability to discern.
At the same time, if truth can be communicated, so as it can be understood, it will be believed. I think that is what is happening with the American people now.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/792754691155357696

earthmansurfer wrote:FishMike - If you dislike me, you are really gonna dislike the former director of the FBI:

A former FBI official said Sunday that Bill and Hillary Clinton are part of a "crime family" and argued top officials hindered the investigation into Hillary Clinton's private email server while she was secretary of State.

During a radio interview with John Catsimatidis, former assistant FBI director James Kallstrom heaped praise on Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump before taking aim at the Clintons.

"The Clintons, that's a crime family, basically," Kallstrom said. "It's like organized crime. I mean the Clinton Foundation is a cesspool."

Kallstrom, best known for leading the investigation into the explosion of TWA flight 800 in the late '90s, said that Hillary Clinton, the Democratic presidential nominee, was a "pathological liar."

He also blasted Attorney General Loretta Lynch, claiming that she impeded the investigation into Clinton's private server.

"The problem here is this investigation was never a real investigation," he said. "That's the problem. They never had a grand jury empanelled, and the reason they never had a grand jury empanelled, I'm sure, is Loretta Lynch would not go along with that."

"God forbid we put someone like that in the White House," he added of Clinton.

Kallstrom also said that FBI Director James Comey and the rest of the FBI's leadership were responsible for holding back the investigation, not the rest of the bureau.

"The agents are furious with what's going on, I know that for a fact," he said.

Video in Link
https://www.sott.net/article/332546-Ex-FBI-director-James-Kallstrom-Clintons-are-a-crime-family

My issue w/ Hillary is I want the drug laws changed (much like GJ has proposed) and I want the Fed abolished. HRC is deep in the lobbyist money. So is Trump. Most every high level politician is... I am not her fan. However what cant be denied is the philanthropy work along the way, and a solid history of working to benefit the middle class and families. She is not status quo and I do think she *could* be a very good president. She could also be a poor president, like George W was, but she will not be a disaster, I am confident in that. Everything about Trump points to disaster. EVERYTHING. So I smh a bit when its very possible Trump is committing or colluding to commit treason by allowing Russian interference in our election but so much focus is put on these emails. BTW (true story) I cleaned out my inbox a couple weeks ago and deleted 18,000 emails in 2 days. Most distribution groups, stuff people copy me on for transparency.. etc etc. 18k emails all from 2016. I have no idea nor do I care what was on them.

Dont dislike you one bit. I set next to a Hispanic woman on the train maybe 3x a week. I would say shes in her late 50s. Every morning she is one FB on her phone. Every morning I see her thumbs up every Drudge/Fox anti HRC headline and reshare it on her FB with comments like "despicable lying Hillary" and things like that. People pick their pony and see and hear what they want.

He served on the Board of Directors of HSBC Holdings until July 2013

You know when he stepped down? Right after HSBC got exposed for laundering a billions for the Mexican cartels. Yea... lets talk about the FBI director. Total political puppet man.

Any way will we see what happens. My minds been made up... I read drudge every day along with Fox and CNN. I like all the flavors. Will see what happens. I am curious. You mentioned the word discern. I struggle to fathom how folks can look past what comes out of his mouth and think he represents them, but again... these things come down to feelings. How do people feel? If they FEEL that HRC is Al Capone as you do they will vote accordingly. We will know in about a week.

fishmike wrote:EMS... Comely is as crooked as it comes. Whatever he releases is $$ driven. He's paid.

He served on the Board of Directors of HSBC Holdings until July 2013

You know when he stepped down? Right after HSBC got exposed for laundering a billions for the Mexican cartels. Yea... lets talk about the FBI director. Total political puppet man.

Any way will we see what happens. My minds been made up... I read drudge every day along with Fox and CNN. I like all the flavors. Will see what happens. I am curious. You mentioned the word discern. I struggle to fathom how folks can look past what comes out of his mouth and think he represents them, but again... these things come down to feelings. How do people feel? If they FEEL that HRC is Al Capone as you do they will vote accordingly. We will know in about a week.

Wow, old HSBC and the laundering (complicitly) with the drug cartels. As I recall, around 20,000 deaths attributed to that as well.
And our government said they couldn't be prosecuted as it would weaken confidence in our banking system, lol.
You don't believe that do you? I don't. I think these banks are in one way or another running things. Only in Iceland do they get jailed.
Weren't they fined less than the profits or something akin? Depending on if you think they profited in the hundreds of billions or just a few billion.
Of course Comey was at the top there! My God, you can't just make this stuff up.

Through this whole mess of an election and of the suffering on this planet, I have not lost hope in that we come out the other side.

I'll leave the election up to the Universe, we never separated from her anyway. Put in who helps us get through the times ahead...
In the meantime, we have a great movie script on our hands.

earthmansurfer wrote:

Welpee wrote:You know what's ridiculous about this thing about 34% are less likely to vote for Hillary because of the new email revelation? They don't even know what's in the emails?

It's that she lied...

Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid set of a firestorm Sunday after he said that FBI Director James Comey "may have broken" a federal law when he disclosed on Friday that his office was pursuing potential new evidence related to Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server less than two weeks before the presidential election.

The Senate minority leader from Nevada wrote in a letter that Comey may have violated the Hatch Act, which bars government officials from using their position to influence an election.

"I am writing to inform you that my office has determined that these actions may violate the Hatch Act, which bars FBI officials from using their official authority to influence an election," Reid wrote. "Through your partisan actions, you may have broken the law."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/30/harry-reid-says-fbi-director-james-comey-may-have-broken-federal-law.html

earthmansurfer wrote:FishMike - If you dislike me, you are really gonna dislike the former director of the FBI:

A former FBI official said Sunday that Bill and Hillary Clinton are part of a "crime family" and argued top officials hindered the investigation into Hillary Clinton's private email server while she was secretary of State.

During a radio interview with John Catsimatidis, former assistant FBI director James Kallstrom heaped praise on Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump before taking aim at the Clintons.

"The Clintons, that's a crime family, basically," Kallstrom said. "It's like organized crime. I mean the Clinton Foundation is a cesspool."

Kallstrom, best known for leading the investigation into the explosion of TWA flight 800 in the late '90s, said that Hillary Clinton, the Democratic presidential nominee, was a "pathological liar."

He also blasted Attorney General Loretta Lynch, claiming that she impeded the investigation into Clinton's private server.

"The problem here is this investigation was never a real investigation," he said. "That's the problem. They never had a grand jury empanelled, and the reason they never had a grand jury empanelled, I'm sure, is Loretta Lynch would not go along with that."

"God forbid we put someone like that in the White House," he added of Clinton.

Kallstrom also said that FBI Director James Comey and the rest of the FBI's leadership were responsible for holding back the investigation, not the rest of the bureau.

"The agents are furious with what's going on, I know that for a fact," he said.

Video in Link
https://www.sott.net/article/332546-Ex-FBI-director-James-Kallstrom-Clintons-are-a-crime-family

Exaggerate much!! Crime family. The bull**** is getting ridiculous. The Clinton foundation has done 100 times more good for the people of the world than Trumps con of a foundation. The guy literally used foundation funds to pay for a portrait of himself. There has been no allegation that Hillary sold secrets or that any America secrets were revealed. The only allegation is she used her home server to do work. That is the BIG conspiracy. Oh my god, she must be the worst criminal in America. While Trump has yet to reveal his taxes, which you are silly if you don't think there is a real good reason for why he is hiding that information. The guy holds hate rallies and talks about grabbing woman (total strangers) by the p@@@@y and is generally a spoiled self-centered playboy that is about as concerned for you as you would be for a ****roach on the street. You people don't realize, the Roman Empire thought it would last forever too but if you put an out of control leader in place then guess what---things get out of control. Trump is dangerous on a level his supporters do not even yet fathom.