I think the TMS -BONN war of words is the best I've ever seen.

Andy is being just plain stupid by declining 10million. At this point I'm ready to move on and let Hughes fill the 5th spot in the rotation.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Andy is being just plain stupid by declining 10million. At this point I'm ready to move on and let Hughes fill the 5th spot in the rotation.

Both sides are being just plain stupid right now.

just put in some incentives on a $12 mil deal... reach 15 wins & u get a $3 mil bonus, which will raise the value of the contract to $15 mil... i mean come on, we paid Roger Clemens $18.5 mil guaranteed for half a season & he was mediocre that season... they can't show any love to Andy who's been 1 of the best lefty pitchers in our franchise's history? it's not like he's washed up either... he's still an effective pitcher for the back end of the rotation.

i think he's still got another good 2 years in him at the very least... we signed a 36 yo Jorge Posada to a 4 year guaranteed deal last year... signing 36 yo Andy to a 1 year deal w/incentives now is low risk.

as for the cheating part, i respect u having zero tolerance for cheats, but realistically i bet u at least half the league has used roids at some point or another... just cuz they haven't been fingered yet in the Mitchell Report doesn't mean there aren't plenty more out there, probably several more on the Yankees team just like there are on every other team that u don't even know about... it's a sad reality of the times but it is what it is.

They'll both come pretty cheap and have the potential to be outstanding deals. Cash has done a lot this off-season but he still has to do something to improve CF and the 5th starting spot even if it's just minor moves.

Posted by mattshaw78:

why don't we give a shot on Scott Podsednik. He can be the type of player to move the runners over and he has some speed out there

because Brett Gardner's the same kind of player pretty much & much younger besides... if anything signing Baldelli to a 1 year deal would have made sense since he's only a part time player solution anyway, & as a righty batter in CF would have been a good platoon solution w/Gardner, but maybe they still wanna see if Melky can be the answer out there, who knows... my guess is they're still looking at trade options for CF as we speak... David DeJesus has been mentioned some in rumors w/the Royals, but they always ask for the moon whenever they discuss trades w/us so i don't expect anything to get done there... Nate McClouth has also been talked about but i doubt PIT would give him up either... i think Cashman's only looking for a stopgap solution in CF since we have Austin Jackson coming up in a year or 2.

[Edited by - TMS on 01-09-2009 06:46 AM]

i think those 2 kids will be platooned all year... both bring some nice things to the table

Gardner has elite speed on the basepaths & awesome range in CF... his arm's pretty average to below average tho, & he has no pop at all in his bat, but he is very patient at the plate & can get on base by drawing walks... he's a perfect guy to play some small ball with cuz he's also an excellent bunter as well... i think if he stays healthy, in a part time role he'll put up somewhere around .250-.270 BA & steal you about 20-30 bases... if he plays fulltime he can easily steal u at least 50 bases, he has that type of speed, only question is will he get the AB's to get on base... i doubt it.

Melky's got an elite arm in CF, his range is pretty good, not excellent... just average speed on the bases & has a little pop in his bat if he gets into 1, but i've noticed it looks like he's actively trying to hit HR's instead of just making contact w/the ball & i think that's upset the Yankees coaches about him... if he gets back to trying to drive the ball into the gaps & hitting doubles instead of trying to hit HR's everytime he's up at bat, i think he can have a solid year for us in a part time role, say around .270-.290 BA w/7-10 HRs & 50-65 RBI.

combined these kids won't give us even close to top notch production in CF offensively, but w/the addition of Mark T & Nick Swisher & the return of both Jorge & Matsui to the lineup, we should be fine offensively... all we need those 2 kids to do is play defense in CF & not be an automatic out in the #9 hole.

Cano i think is gonna have a bounceback year... i think last year was the exception for him & not the norm... that guy's gonna hit .320+ this season & hit for more power IMO.

[Edited by - TMS on 01-09-2009 06:58 AM]

Posted by Bonn1997:

Where's Swisher playing? He's probably gonna see almost no time at 1st base.

swisher or nady will get dealt.