DLeethal wrote:

Chandler wrote:

BlueKnickers wrote:

Panos wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:I'd be very surprised if Alvarado opted out, he's living his dream right now and he's unlikely to get much more than 4.5m anyway.

Me too, but his best chance at a payday is right now. Same goes for Landry. Some guys take that over everything else.

Am I the only one hoping either for an upgrade over GTAvocado or that Kolek somehow grows into the roll?

GTA is getting overrated atm coming off a championship. He was very helpful in key games in the playoffs, but he was also ineffective in just as many games during the playoffs.

I have no idea what the FO intends for him, but my hope all along is Kolek is next up to the plate, but I have no certainty there either.

I agree w this. Jose’s best traits are he’s a fighter and does not wilt and chemistry. I like him bc he made key plays but backup pg is a mess and big area of need. We need size there too considering Detroit and okc to say the least.

I agree. We traded nothing to get him and he helped us win a chip but he’s far from a perfect fit at backup PG.

Yes between Jose deuce and Kolek all very likable but also glaring issues. Draft will be very instructive but I’d like a guy with a good handle and who can defend w some length

PatCummings wrote:

DLeethal wrote:Anything to make of Mo being the first signing?

Huge! Need to know the years to determine if we have to stay under the 2nd apron

Yea trying to figure out if this was a sign we are going to disregard the second apron or a sign we might have prioritized Mo and will shift other pieces to stay under.

DLeethal wrote:

PatCummings wrote:

DLeethal wrote:Anything to make of Mo being the first signing?

Huge! Need to know the years to determine if we have to stay under the 2nd apron

Yea trying to figure out if this was a sign we are going to disregard the second apron or a sign we might have prioritized Mo and will shift other pieces to stay under.

I’m thinking it means we’re going over the 2nd apron. Feels like a 4 year deal which fits into the 2nd year vet min salary that we’d be limited to when going over the 2nd apron

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nycericanguy wrote:

PatCummings wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

PatCummings wrote:

DLeethal wrote:Anything to make of Mo being the first signing?

Huge! Need to know the years to determine if we have to stay under the 2nd apron

Yea trying to figure out if this was a sign we are going to disregard the second apron or a sign we might have prioritized Mo and will shift other pieces to stay under.

I’m thinking it means we’re going over the 2nd apron. Feels like a 4 year deal which fits into the 2nd year vet min salary that we’d be limited to when going over the 2nd apron

interesting, didnt even think we could give him 4 years and 10+m. but yes I cant imagine not going over the 2nd apron, which is why Dolan's comment was so odd.

maybe he was tryign to scare teams off from offering MO, but MO clearly wants to be here.

Have absolutely no doubt that its a deal that kept them from having to touch the tax payer mle.

$2.7mil over 4 years would be $10.8mil or $2.6mil = $10.4mil. There is probably is a player option after 2 years.

nycericanguy wrote:

PatCummings wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

PatCummings wrote:

DLeethal wrote:Anything to make of Mo being the first signing?

Huge! Need to know the years to determine if we have to stay under the 2nd apron

Yea trying to figure out if this was a sign we are going to disregard the second apron or a sign we might have prioritized Mo and will shift other pieces to stay under.

I’m thinking it means we’re going over the 2nd apron. Feels like a 4 year deal which fits into the 2nd year vet min salary that we’d be limited to when going over the 2nd apron

interesting, didnt even think we could give him 4 years and 10+m. but yes I cant imagine not going over the 2nd apron, which is why Dolan's comment was so odd.

maybe he was tryign to scare teams off from offering MO, but MO clearly wants to be here.

People are speculating that Dolan was confused. When he was calling it suicide he was referring to us being over the 2nd apron for 3 years

Feels like we’re going over. Now the question is who comes back and who doesn’t? Mitch, Shamet and Alvarado are probably back. Huk, McCullar too since they don’t cost much and there’s no reason not to keep them

Sochan and Clarkson probably not bc we don’t need them and we likely want to bring in 1 rookie

Unless the Knicks don’t like what they see in some of our young guys which is a possibility or if they want to make tweaks we only have 1 spot in our 15 person roster

Starters: JB, Bridges, Hart, OG, KAT
2nd Team: Alvarado, Deuce, Shamet, Diawara, Mitch
3rd Team: Kolek, McCullar, Dadiet, Huk, Rookie

It’s a REALLY deep team, especially if that rookie is Zuby or another quality player at 24 or 31.
It’s tough for our young guys to get time

Brunson
Bridges
OG
Diawara
KAT

EwingsGlass wrote:Seems like Diawara is the hardest. Signing him anything over the minimum requires the MLE. Which triggers the hard cap. I would hard cap to keep him. Then becomes a question of what else he could get elsewhere. I’d hope to get him to stick around on a 4 year deal averaging 5mm a year. Backloaded.

Robinson is a sizing issue. He’d have to take a real discount to stay here. Maybe take a 1 year deal (no trade clause) and get a bit better sizing next year?

Shamet - Same issue as Robinson. Sizing issue. If I am Shamet and someone offers more money, probably have to take the money and run. It’s a business.

Alvarado. Same sizing issue.

KAT extension. If KAT opts out of his last year and signs for less, then all these other guys can get “paid” next year with the difference.

Hart - It’s a team option, but if he keeps something steady - in the 16mm range, he can keep this squad together.

My priorities are

1 Diawara
2 Robinson

The others are good dudes, but if they need to get paid, I understand.

^ In answer to your question, how they keep Diawara defines how they can keep anyone else. Robinson is next in my playbook.

nycericanguy wrote:

PatCummings wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

PatCummings wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

PatCummings wrote:

DLeethal wrote:Anything to make of Mo being the first signing?

Huge! Need to know the years to determine if we have to stay under the 2nd apron

Yea trying to figure out if this was a sign we are going to disregard the second apron or a sign we might have prioritized Mo and will shift other pieces to stay under.

I’m thinking it means we’re going over the 2nd apron. Feels like a 4 year deal which fits into the 2nd year vet min salary that we’d be limited to when going over the 2nd apron

interesting, didnt even think we could give him 4 years and 10+m. but yes I cant imagine not going over the 2nd apron, which is why Dolan's comment was so odd.

maybe he was tryign to scare teams off from offering MO, but MO clearly wants to be here.

People are speculating that Dolan was confused. When he was calling it suicide he was referring to us being over the 2nd apron for 3 years

Feels like we’re going over. Now the question is who comes back and who doesn’t? Mitch, Shamet and Alvarado are probably back. Huk, McCullar too since they don’t cost much and there’s no reason not to keep them

Sochan and Clarkson probably not bc we don’t need them and we likely want to bring in 1 rookie

Unless the Knicks don’t like what they see in some of our young guys which is a possibility or if they want to make tweaks we only have 1 spot in our 15 person roster

Starters: JB, Bridges, Hart, OG, KAT
2nd Team: Alvarado, Deuce, Shamet, Diawara, Mitch
3rd Team: Kolek, McCullar, Dadiet, Huk, Rookie

It’s a REALLY deep team, especially if that rookie is Zuby or another quality player at 24 or 31.
It’s tough for our young guys to get time

yea maybe he was confused, because THIS IS THE TEAM that you go into the 2nd apron for, 2 more years to go for chips.

Caused me alot of unnecessary stress...lol.

but this team could be stacked next season if we just bring everyone back, and there's no financial reason we cant. Pay Shamet and Mitch for 2 years.

Same. Here’s another thought. Going into the 2nd apron could potentially help us accumulate assets. Let’s assume my 15 person roster is accurate and we use pick 24. We can trade 31 and 55 for future picks

But let’s say we have injuries or we just decide to give time to the youth bc we know regular season doesn’t matter. And let’s say Diawara, McCullar, Kolek and Zuby look really good. Good enough to want to put them into the rotation ahead of Shamet or Deuce or Alvarado. It allows us to trade those guys, maybe at the end of the year, and get more draft capital. What if we drafted Tarris Reed and he ends up being more valuable than Mitch? We could trade Mitch after the season and get a strong return AND maybe get under the 2nd apron after only one year when Combined with KAT being willing to resign on a discount.

If we execute correctly can we keep this run going longer by acquiring assets, drafting young talent with those assets and going back under the apron after next year giving us flexibility to go back over if needed

PatCummings wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

PatCummings wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

PatCummings wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

PatCummings wrote:

DLeethal wrote:Anything to make of Mo being the first signing?

Huge! Need to know the years to determine if we have to stay under the 2nd apron

Yea trying to figure out if this was a sign we are going to disregard the second apron or a sign we might have prioritized Mo and will shift other pieces to stay under.

I’m thinking it means we’re going over the 2nd apron. Feels like a 4 year deal which fits into the 2nd year vet min salary that we’d be limited to when going over the 2nd apron

interesting, didnt even think we could give him 4 years and 10+m. but yes I cant imagine not going over the 2nd apron, which is why Dolan's comment was so odd.

maybe he was tryign to scare teams off from offering MO, but MO clearly wants to be here.

People are speculating that Dolan was confused. When he was calling it suicide he was referring to us being over the 2nd apron for 3 years

Feels like we’re going over. Now the question is who comes back and who doesn’t? Mitch, Shamet and Alvarado are probably back. Huk, McCullar too since they don’t cost much and there’s no reason not to keep them

Sochan and Clarkson probably not bc we don’t need them and we likely want to bring in 1 rookie

Unless the Knicks don’t like what they see in some of our young guys which is a possibility or if they want to make tweaks we only have 1 spot in our 15 person roster

Starters: JB, Bridges, Hart, OG, KAT
2nd Team: Alvarado, Deuce, Shamet, Diawara, Mitch
3rd Team: Kolek, McCullar, Dadiet, Huk, Rookie

It’s a REALLY deep team, especially if that rookie is Zuby or another quality player at 24 or 31.
It’s tough for our young guys to get time

yea maybe he was confused, because THIS IS THE TEAM that you go into the 2nd apron for, 2 more years to go for chips.

Caused me alot of unnecessary stress...lol.

but this team could be stacked next season if we just bring everyone back, and there's no financial reason we cant. Pay Shamet and Mitch for 2 years.

Same. Here’s another thought. Going into the 2nd apron could potentially help us accumulate assets. Let’s assume my 15 person roster is accurate and we use pick 24. We can trade 31 and 55 for future picks

But let’s say we have injuries or we just decide to give time to the youth bc we know regular season doesn’t matter. And let’s say Diawara, McCullar, Kolek and Zuby look really good. Good enough to want to put them into the rotation ahead of Shamet or Deuce or Alvarado. It allows us to trade those guys, maybe at the end of the year, and get more draft capital. What if we drafted Tarris Reed and he ends up being more valuable than Mitch? We could trade Mitch after the season and get a strong return AND maybe get under the 2nd apron after only one year when Combined with KAT being willing to resign on a discount.

If we execute correctly can we keep this run going longer by acquiring assets, drafting young talent with those assets and going back under the apron after next year giving us flexibility to go back over if needed

great points