nycericanguy wrote:Too many good passers and high IQ players for so much reliance on ISO.

Mitch showing his worth last night though. 13 & 11, and 8 OREB in just 23 min is crazy.

I underestimated Ihart big time because even if you swapped him out 1 for 1 with KAT, we are probably better.

Prior to last night in 4 games Mitch was averaging 5 boards, 2 points and 0.5 blocks ---- we are not better with Mitch vs Kat.

Play them both and sit Josh on the bench.

LivingLegend wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:Too many good passers and high IQ players for so much reliance on ISO.

Mitch showing his worth last night though. 13 & 11, and 8 OREB in just 23 min is crazy.

I underestimated Ihart big time because even if you swapped him out 1 for 1 with KAT, we are probably better.

Prior to last night in 4 games Mitch was averaging 5 boards, 2 points and 0.5 blocks ---- we are not better with Mitch vs Kat.

Play them both and sit Josh on the bench.

in what? 14mpg?... Defense and rim protection is the biggest thing.

KAT is soft unfortunately.

nycericanguy wrote:

VDesai wrote:

Chandler wrote:

VDesai wrote:The Knicks best lineup probably involves having OG and Mitch out at the same time. They force turnovers, can defend pick and roll. I'm wondering if they need less of KAT, not more.

Deuce shooting 27% from the field, 25% from 3 and 50% from the FT line.

KAT is our best shooter and probably best passer. We have Zero plays for hi , unless a trailing three counts as such. He is not the issue

Thank goodness Mitch showed some life but his turnovers killed us as did his foul shooting. He is not the answer to our problems at least at Kats expense.

He was really bad on both ends yesterday. 5/14 shooting, couldn't guard the pick and roll for ****, and was absolutely dominated on the Glass. Duren literally snatches the ball from his hands or pushes him away every time. He is averaging less than 0.5 offensive rebounds this series and only 9 rebounds overall (more than 3 few rebounds than the regular season). He has been outhustled by Duren the whole series and that advantage for the Pistons was only negated when Mitch was out there on the floor.

KAT obviously needs to play and play well for us to win. His offensive game was off last night and his defense was worse. He was brutal in the 3rd quarter in a bunch of these games.

the difference between KAT and Mitch on the Offensive boards is STAGGERING and seeing Mitch last night was a huge reminder. Granted, some of that is that Mitch is in the paint more, but KAT really just doesn't get after the offensive boards.

KAT in35mpg averaged only 2.9 OREB this season, Mitch's last full season he averaged 4.6 in just 25mpG!

Ihart was also a beast on the OREB.

we've lost not only defense and rim protection, but we are losing those extra possessions too.

I always said injuries aside, KP was a better, more impactful player and BOS got him for pennies.

Going to post this again.

Thru first 4 games Mitch was averaging 5 boards, 2 points and 0.5 blocks -- he was good last night but at same time he's got the worst hands this side of OG and we are lucky Detroit stopped with the hack a Mitch.

He shoots like Wilt, Shaq and Chris Dudley --- complete luck when ball gets over the rim.

I like him on court with Kat --- NOT Josh.

martin wrote:Yes

DLeethal wrote:Bridges complete inability to carry offense for stretches while being guarded by Hardaway and Shroeder is just pathetic

What are you guys talking about - haven't you seen Mikal manage to dribble the ball over half court and pass the ball to OG 35 feet out?

Panos wrote:I've been so grateful to have JB and his talents on this team. That said, it really has been egregious how much he's not been a general, and only going for his. Nevermind pick-and-rolls, can we do some drive and kick? I mean I saw nothing resembling an offense yesterday. The whole fourth quarter was just Brunson going for his. You can say that was because no one else was in a flow, but why is that? Because there was no flow to the offense the whole game what-so-ever. It was wholly unpleasant to watch, even when they were winning.

Agree 100%.

I'm grateful for the player and leader he is BUT it is EGREGIOUS that he's mostly only going for his.

It's clear as day --- not clear to me how his father is not pointing this out to him.

Beginning of game 4 (1st quarter) we were pushing pace and Jalen was creating -- we looked great. That was the only time this series.

SergioNYK wrote:

Panos wrote:Also, why does every team have a sniper off the bench that can come in an light us up, but we've got nothing? Shamet was scoring at the end of the season, can he get a shot when no one else can throw it in the ocean???

Problem is in the few minutes Shamet has gotten in this series he's been awful at both ends. I would still give him another chance but we desperately need to add that sniper/scorer off the bench. And Deuce isn't it.

Shamet looks scared - all the time. Think he sees dead people on court with him.

LivingLegend wrote:

Panos wrote:I've been so grateful to have JB and his talents on this team. That said, it really has been egregious how much he's not been a general, and only going for his. Nevermind pick-and-rolls, can we do some drive and kick? I mean I saw nothing resembling an offense yesterday. The whole fourth quarter was just Brunson going for his. You can say that was because no one else was in a flow, but why is that? Because there was no flow to the offense the whole game what-so-ever. It was wholly unpleasant to watch, even when they were winning.

Agree 100%.

I'm grateful for the player and leader he is BUT it is EGREGIOUS that he's mostly only going for his.

It's clear as day --- not clear to me how his father is not pointing this out to him.

Beginning of game 4 (1st quarter) we were pushing pace and Jalen was creating -- we looked great. That was the only time this series.

I'll take a stab at this. Coaches have told Jalen but he is not a very good passer or orchestrator. Occam's Razor

LivingLegend wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:Too many good passers and high IQ players for so much reliance on ISO.

Mitch showing his worth last night though. 13 & 11, and 8 OREB in just 23 min is crazy.

I underestimated Ihart big time because even if you swapped him out 1 for 1 with KAT, we are probably better.

Prior to last night in 4 games Mitch was averaging 5 boards, 2 points and 0.5 blocks ---- we are not better with Mitch vs Kat.

Play them both and sit Josh on the bench.

in what? 14mpg?... Defense and rim protection is the biggest thing.

KAT is soft unfortunately.

I've seen zero softness from Kat in these playoffs - if anything Kat has been forgotten on offense.

He basically has to create 100% on his own or squeeze off 25 footers before his defender is in his grill.

Kat sucked in regular season defensively --- thought he's been decent this series.

Issue has been high screen roll leading to top speed attacks by Cade that Kat has to contest leaving Duren open and cutters like Thompson wide open.

Defensive guru Thibs has not figured out how to hide Jalen.

Soft is maybe not the right word and means too many different things to everyone.

KAT is major league flawed, just like Jalen. KAT does get pushed around by Duren and then gets scored on by Tobias. KAT is not a rim protector or barely one. And the rebounds are way down.

He can make up for it on the O end of things but he is has been outlet 1-on-1 guy. When the ball and players move and groove, things are OK but it's easy to get the Knicks into that mode.

Panos wrote:

martin wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

Panos wrote:I've been so grateful to have JB and his talents on this team. That said, it really has been egregious how much he's not been a general, and only going for his. Nevermind pick-and-rolls, can we do some drive and kick? I mean I saw nothing resembling an offense yesterday. The whole fourth quarter was just Brunson going for his. You can say that was because no one else was in a flow, but why is that? Because there was no flow to the offense the whole game what-so-ever. It was wholly unpleasant to watch, even when they were winning.

Agree 100%.

I'm grateful for the player and leader he is BUT it is EGREGIOUS that he's mostly only going for his.

It's clear as day --- not clear to me how his father is not pointing this out to him.

Beginning of game 4 (1st quarter) we were pushing pace and Jalen was creating -- we looked great. That was the only time this series.

I'll take a stab at this. Coaches have told Jalen but he is not a very good passer or orchestrator. Occam's Razor

Then we should move him off the ball, and have some other PG initiating the offense. Would Delon Wright not be able to fill this role, and play some defense while he's at it? Or play him alongside Cam?

I don't think those 2 are playoff starters and Knicks may still have their best chances doing other things.

But it's a long term roster flaw that definitely needs to be solved. Just like the Josh Hart guarded by a C thing if 5-out is worthwhile.

How does an above average IQ basketball player like Jalen even conceivably make that pass to Mitch? It's something that hasn't happened in years.

Like WTF Clutch Player of the Year.

LivingLegend wrote:

VDesai wrote:Omg Brunson and Hart KO'd on one plY

Exactly what happens when you don’t put a team away —- we seemingly can’t play well at home.

Such a up and down team.