I got Kyrie pegged as a Rodman type dude. On the floor and in the locker room he is great. Issue is getting him to the arena to work in a chaotic world he is sensitive to. Maybe some of you get that, some of you won’t. Kawahi in Toronto was a rental and owed them little. It worked out great. Leonard has the leverage over Clippers given they traded the future for PG13 to bring him onboard. IM not saying he should be “grateful” our outwardly appreciative. Just be a good partner and be reasonable.

fwk00 wrote:

Nalod wrote:
THe CLippers: Danny Manning, Elton Brand, Baron Davis, Blake Griffith. Please feel free to list others.
HOw many franchise like talents and their injuries can a franchise sustain? Incredible!
How freaking weird is this Kawahi situation? This guy makes Kyrie look like employee of the month! The San Antonio thing, the Toronto to LA thing, this current wait one month and screw his franchise over about his knee. Its either torn or its not.
Not very hard. The secret of opting out or not. Why screw over the franchise by secrecy when they handed you the freaking keys and made all your dreams come true. And they let you rest? His knee issues go back now 5 years. No way I want this guy at that money at age 31 coming off an ACL injury.
I know in these parts Durant and Harden are not liked but they are north of 30 and play if they can. Durant is a thin skinned hoop servant but the dude gritted it out and nearly pulled it off. Harden has a history of playing hurt and perhaps hurting his team but so did Ewing. The mileage on Lebron is extensive and he was trying to win another MVP this year and was frontrunning for a while attempting too to play a full schedule.
Long list of guys that tough it out also. Randle and RJ impressed this year!
Kawahi puts himself above the team in a weird way. I get they need to protect themselves and the career.

I got Kyrie pegged as a Rodman type dude. On the floor and in the locker room he is great. Issue is getting him to the arena to work in a chaotic world he is sensitive to. Maybe some of you get that, some of you won’t. Kawahi in Toronto was a rental and owed them little. It worked out great. Leonard has the leverage over Clippers given they traded the future for PG13 to bring him onboard. IM not saying he should be “grateful” our outwardly appreciative. Just be a good partner and be reasonable.

Is he asking out?

Jimbo5 wrote:Dame is expecting to ask a trade out of Portland. Teams he want to be traded to are the Lakers, Heat, 76ers and the Knicks.

Im so scared to wake up to the news of the Knicks trading for Dame if the team parts with RJ, Mitch, IQ Obi and 3-4 1st rounders. I think the FO is desperate enough to put that offer on the table.I just dont like including RJ in any trade i think he is on his way to be a star or atleast have a good chance to be one.

Of the possible teams in this list, i think the heat are smart enough not to include an up and coming star like Bam in the package as oppose to the knicks willingness to include RJ. Essentially taking the Heat out of the race. I dont think the Lakers have enough talent to offer a competitive package. The 76ers is the knicks main competition since they will most likely offer a package of Ben simmons, Thybulle and other assets.

If the knicks can trade for Dame and somehow still have a line up that includes Mitch, Randle, RJ and have atleast 1 first rounder in all the upcoming drafts. Il be happy with that. They can sign Oubre to complete the starting 5. Go after Olynyk to back up Randle.

Im scared that any package that doesn't include RJ is just not strong enough to peak Portland's interest. Can Obi, IQ, knox, Frank and 4 1st rounders do? I highly doubt it. And that terrifies me.

Why? Front office Still has 4 years on the contract and they are already ahead of schedule.

Jimbo5 wrote:Dame is expecting to ask a trade out of Portland. Teams he want to be traded to are the Lakers, Heat, 76ers and the Knicks.

Im so scared to wake up to the news of the Knicks trading for Dame if the team parts with RJ, Mitch, IQ Obi and 3-4 1st rounders. I think the FO is desperate enough to put that offer on the table. I just dont like including RJ in any trade i think he is on his way to be a star or atleast have a good chance to be one.

Of the possible teams in this list, i think the heat are smart enough not to include an up and coming star like Bam in the package as oppose to the knicks willingness to include RJ. Essentially taking the Heat out of the race. I dont think the Lakers have enough talent to offer a competitive package. The 76ers is the knicks main competition since they will most likely offer a package of Ben simmons, Thybulle and other assets.

If the knicks can trade for Dame and somehow still have a line up that includes Mitch, Randle, RJ and have atleast 1 first rounder in all the upcoming drafts. Il be happy with that. They can sign Oubre to complete the starting 5. Go after Olynyk to back up Randle.

Im scared that any package that doesn't include RJ is just not strong enough to peak Portland's interest. Can Obi, IQ, knox, Frank and 4 1st rounders do? I highly doubt it. And that terrifies me.

I think Randle would be the more likely cornerstone of a Dame trade. Something along the lines of Randle, Quickley, Knox, #21 (Dallas pick), #32, Knicks 2022 1st rounder, 2023 2nd rounder, 2024 first and second rounder.

Having said that, I don't think Lilliard is the answer here but...

But if Dame comes at the price of Randle or RJ - fuggedaboutit!

fwk00 wrote:

Nalod wrote:
THe CLippers: Danny Manning, Elton Brand, Baron Davis, Blake Griffith. Please feel free to list others.
HOw many franchise like talents and their injuries can a franchise sustain? Incredible!
How freaking weird is this Kawahi situation? This guy makes Kyrie look like employee of the month! The San Antonio thing, the Toronto to LA thing, this current wait one month and screw his franchise over about his knee. Its either torn or its not.
Not very hard. The secret of opting out or not. Why screw over the franchise by secrecy when they handed you the freaking keys and made all your dreams come true. And they let you rest? His knee issues go back now 5 years. No way I want this guy at that money at age 31 coming off an ACL injury.
I know in these parts Durant and Harden are not liked but they are north of 30 and play if they can. Durant is a thin skinned hoop servant but the dude gritted it out and nearly pulled it off. Harden has a history of playing hurt and perhaps hurting his team but so did Ewing. The mileage on Lebron is extensive and he was trying to win another MVP this year and was frontrunning for a while attempting too to play a full schedule.
Long list of guys that tough it out also. Randle and RJ impressed this year!
Kawahi puts himself above the team in a weird way. I get they need to protect themselves and the career.

I got Kyrie pegged as a Rodman type dude. On the floor and in the locker room he is great. Issue is getting him to the arena to work in a chaotic world he is sensitive to. Maybe some of you get that, some of you won’t. Kawahi in Toronto was a rental and owed them little. It worked out great. Leonard has the leverage over Clippers given they traded the future for PG13 to bring him onboard. IM not saying he should be “grateful” our outwardly appreciative. Just be a good partner and be reasonable.

Is he asking out?

He has a 36 mil player option for this year. He can go free if he wants. He can stay and get paid to be well, then be free.
Or he can extend. He need not “ask”. He controls all but if Clips want to extend. He holds leverage and uses it. He was distrustful of Spurs medical staff. Toronto did not have him long and did what he asked. The second opinion thing was his distrust of Clippers too. He can be prudent about his health, that I get. But need not be a dick about it year in and year out. But he does.

ESOMKnicks wrote:If we get Dame AND hang on to Randle and RJ, it would make us about as good as Portland are right now, maybe slightly better. In the East, it could mean a run deep into the playoffs. But probably not a top 5 contending team in the league. Still, probably worth a gamble.

But if Dame comes at the price of Randle or RJ - fuggedaboutit!

Completely disagree

Randle and picks straight up for Lillard would be an excellent trade. Obi would step in at PF and average a double double immediately. Plus we still have cap flex to add more superstars in 2022

RJ I would not trade due to his age and the number of years of contractual control we have over him

Jimbo5 wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:Dame is expecting to ask a trade out of Portland. Teams he want to be traded to are the Lakers, Heat, 76ers and the Knicks.

Im so scared to wake up to the news of the Knicks trading for Dame if the team parts with RJ, Mitch, IQ Obi and 3-4 1st rounders. I think the FO is desperate enough to put that offer on the table.I just dont like including RJ in any trade i think he is on his way to be a star or atleast have a good chance to be one.

Of the possible teams in this list, i think the heat are smart enough not to include an up and coming star like Bam in the package as oppose to the knicks willingness to include RJ. Essentially taking the Heat out of the race. I dont think the Lakers have enough talent to offer a competitive package. The 76ers is the knicks main competition since they will most likely offer a package of Ben simmons, Thybulle and other assets.

If the knicks can trade for Dame and somehow still have a line up that includes Mitch, Randle, RJ and have atleast 1 first rounder in all the upcoming drafts. Il be happy with that. They can sign Oubre to complete the starting 5. Go after Olynyk to back up Randle.

Im scared that any package that doesn't include RJ is just not strong enough to peak Portland's interest. Can Obi, IQ, knox, Frank and 4 1st rounders do? I highly doubt it. And that terrifies me.

Why? Front office Still has 4 years on the contract and they are already ahead of schedule.

There were reports that came out that if a superstar becomes available they are willing to send RJ in a package. But there are reports recently that said RJ wont be traded for a superstar. Dont get me wrong, i hope these reports are just made up for the headlines. I want to see RJ turn into a superstar in a knick uniform that's why im more excited for a trade involving Sexton coz for sure RJ wont be part of that trade.

This is the downside of the low key front office, we don't really know what there plan is, we dont know if the news coming out are credible or crap.

Why would you be more interested in a player becoming an all star as opposed to your team winning a title.

Players come and go every season, Titles don't...

It's 3 yr window to win a Title under one regime before they blow up.

gradyandrew wrote:

Randle and picks straight up for Lillard would be an excellent trade. Obi would step in at PF and average a double double immediately. Plus we still have cap flex to add more superstars in 2022

Completely disagree. Randle is the Knicks best player. The point is to add stars, not swap them out.