Sambakick wrote:

martin wrote:

Sambakick wrote:No tanking.

1. It was never a guarantee of much (only about 25% of the time did the worst team win the first pick) and it's even less of a guarantee now in the new lottery odds.
2. We have to win so our players are worth more in trade discussions and we aren't taken to the cleaners.
3. We have to win to better attract free agents.
4. We have to win because young players have to learn how to win and not get numb to losing.

Try to win. If you lose, ok you can live with it if the team shows effort. If you lose on purpose you lose the locker room, lose the vets, and lose respect.

So many interpretations around the word tanking and what it means to different people.

Knicks HAVE to solidify a top 5 pick. This is the 2003 draft again; LeBron, Melo, Bosh, Wade. After that you have a pick of Darko, Kaman, TJ Ford, Hinrich, Sweetney, Jarvis Hayes in top 10.

Think any of Denver, Cleveland, Miami, Toronto would have played to win a few more games for the 10 seed in the draft lotto?

Play the kids. Play everyone. Just don't overachieve.

Look at the NYGiants as an example. Nobody is saying they wish the Giants would have gone 1-15 this year. This is such a valuable year for the young players on the team. They're playing meaningful games in December and just notched maybe their best win in 8 years in a game they were given no shot of winning. All Giants fans are happy they have a good growing team and no body is whining about not being in position to draft Trevor Lawrence.

The new lottery odds don't overly penalize teams that try to win. Didn't the 7th or 8th worst record move up to draft Zion and Morant two years ago? Or am i misremembering? There's no reason no to over-achieve if your team is actually good enough. The worst thing to do would be to take a team that is playing the kids and doing great and putting the breaks on them on purpose.

My ideal scenario has the knicks fighting for a respectable finish, and getting a little lucky in June when the lottery is held. I think any of the Top 8 players coming out this year could've gone #1 last year.

Let's distill this further. Give or take, would you rather have an 80% shot at LeBron, Melo, Bosh, Wade or an 80% chance at Darko, Kaman, TJ Ford, Hinrich, Sweetney, Jarvis Hayes?

2021 is definitely better on an unrelated note but isn't as blockbuster is one thought

TPercy wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30403388/nba-free-agents-team-team-lists-2021-2022

2021 is definitely better on an unrelated note but isn't as blockbuster is one thought

smackeddog wrote:

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https://twitter.com/NYPost_Berman/status/1336005023537516544

This would indicate Knicks fan tv sources were legit- they said last night Knox looked good so far, and Thibs confirmed this todays after practice

If you watched his interview the other day, there's a maturity about him that wasn't present before. His responses were thoughtful. He seems comfortable and confident so far this year.

Knox has the look of a legit wing player. 6'7.. 6'11 wingspan. One of his major issues last year was shot selection...Hopefully playing in a structured, disciplined system that will have him cutting and moving to the basket, running the floor and taking better shots.

smackeddog wrote:This is the weirdest Knicks payroll I’ve ever seen! Remember the IT days?!

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york_knicks/

I think its even a little weirder than that. For example, Ellington signed with the Pistons for more than the vet minimum, so the Knicks should get a credit against the guaranteed money ($1m). Like 400k. Not sure how that counts against the cap. They may just get a piece of his check back from the Pistons.

Not sure if the Knicks get the same thing with Elf. Because tjey re-signed Elf (not showing) do they also get a credit against that money -- I am less sure what happens when the same team re-signs the same player.

Sambakick wrote:

martin wrote:

Sambakick wrote:

martin wrote:

Sambakick wrote:No tanking.

1. It was never a guarantee of much (only about 25% of the time did the worst team win the first pick) and it's even less of a guarantee now in the new lottery odds.
2. We have to win so our players are worth more in trade discussions and we aren't taken to the cleaners.
3. We have to win to better attract free agents.
4. We have to win because young players have to learn how to win and not get numb to losing.

Try to win. If you lose, ok you can live with it if the team shows effort. If you lose on purpose you lose the locker room, lose the vets, and lose respect.

So many interpretations around the word tanking and what it means to different people.

Knicks HAVE to solidify a top 5 pick. This is the 2003 draft again; LeBron, Melo, Bosh, Wade. After that you have a pick of Darko, Kaman, TJ Ford, Hinrich, Sweetney, Jarvis Hayes in top 10.

Think any of Denver, Cleveland, Miami, Toronto would have played to win a few more games for the 10 seed in the draft lotto?

Play the kids. Play everyone. Just don't overachieve.

Look at the NYGiants as an example. Nobody is saying they wish the Giants would have gone 1-15 this year. This is such a valuable year for the young players on the team. They're playing meaningful games in December and just notched maybe their best win in 8 years in a game they were given no shot of winning. All Giants fans are happy they have a good growing team and no body is whining about not being in position to draft Trevor Lawrence.

The new lottery odds don't overly penalize teams that try to win. Didn't the 7th or 8th worst record move up to draft Zion and Morant two years ago? Or am i misremembering? There's no reason no to over-achieve if your team is actually good enough. The worst thing to do would be to take a team that is playing the kids and doing great and putting the breaks on them on purpose.

My ideal scenario has the knicks fighting for a respectable finish, and getting a little lucky in June when the lottery is held. I think any of the Top 8 players coming out this year could've gone #1 last year.

Let's distill this further. Give or take, would you rather have an 80% shot at LeBron, Melo, Bosh, Wade or an 80% chance at Darko, Kaman, TJ Ford, Hinrich, Sweetney, Jarvis Hayes?

Would you rather keep losing or start winning? I'll take winning and a 20% shot at a top talent.

This doesn't have to be an either or situation. I'll take getting the likes of Duncan, LeBron, Melo, Bosh, Wade over winning an additional 5-10 games but while playing the young kids and developing them.

martin wrote:

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https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1336089057772900354

That is interesting..... also normal’ish

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martin wrote:

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https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1336102608658980864

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https://twitter.com/TommyBeer/status/1336104164305162240

Kings fans seem to thinkSkal works hard, but he's just low IQ. Also saw the words blackhole thrown out there. From what I remember of Young he had an NBa body and seemed to have NBA moves, but the results were always trash. We'll see.

sidsanders wrote:https://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/knicks-signing-skal-labissiere-and-james-young-to-g-league-contracts/
cannot say its taking a negative view of these moves. comments off the article:

Is it wrong to wonder if this all may be laying the groundwork for Calipari to make his way to the Knicks, ultimately. <snip>

Cal had a shot at the job if he wanted it. I don't see him leaving Kentucky for this roster. At least not now.

smackeddog wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TPercy wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30403388/nba-free-agents-team-team-lists-2021-2022

2021 is definitely better on an unrelated note but isn't as blockbuster is one thought

its terrible... who do you want from that list? The main guys are resigning. Lets say the Knicks have a good year, the youth progresses and the Knicks have a strong finish despite missing the playoffs. Who's coming? Who are you throwing big money at?

Exactly- free agency is not going to be our saviour

It never is