StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Listening to DSJr post game interview. Man. I feel bad for him.

That was a bad look for the fans booing him. He was already deep in his own head. The kid is only 21.

i think it was really Fiz they were booing honestly

Do you think Smith thinks that?

Not saying i agree with it but thats why im starting to question if Fiz is the right fit. I think Frank(when he actually plays) is now terrified to make a mistake because he knows he has no leash. I think Smith is injured and probably needs time to get healthy but Fiz is still going with him despite the bad results so far

Chandler wrote:

fwk00 wrote:I watched the Boston broadcast.

Brian Scalabrine on watching the Knicks around the second quarter... "All we heard about was how the Knicks were going to speed it up, run, and defend full court - I'm seeing none of that here."

At the third quarter when the fans are chanting for Frank... "I think Frank is a stud yet he can't get on the court in this building."

Fourth quarter, "You know in the off season talk is cheap. The good thing about the NBA is that during the season you're held accountable."

Yes I heard all of that too. (live in Boston)

Was quite clear the players wanted to humiliate the Knicks by 30 in the Knicks home opener. Stevens had the good sense to slow things down some

I also thought Scalabrine was being genuine when he referred to Frank that way

After the gsme the post game analysts essentially said we sucked tonight, except that our rebounding kept us in the game. Personally i didn't agree with that, but it showed how little respect we get

In listening to the game I thought the Boston announcers sincerely felt sorry for Knicks fans.

They talked about the fans needing something good to happen and how Barrett might be the best thing to happen to them.

But the Celtics really just toyed with the Knicks for three quarters - can't remember Kemba even playing that long.

I've been a Knicks fan for over fifty years and I knew what was coming and I am at a point in life where I'm tuning the Knicks apologists out.

This *can be* a winning, fun team to watch. The first three games have been pure torture.

I have no idea how anyone can expect us to feel sorry for DSJ after what Fiz has done to Frank. Someone is claiming this is DSJ's chance???? ...and you're not joking...

good lord.

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Listening to DSJr post game interview. Man. I feel bad for him.

That was a bad look for the fans booing him. He was already deep in his own head. The kid is only 21.

i think it was really Fiz they were booing honestly

Do you think Smith thinks that?

Not saying i agree with it but thats why im starting to question if Fiz is the right fit. I think Frank(when he actually plays) is now terrified to make a mistake because he knows he has no leash. I think Smith is injured and probably needs time to get healthy but Fiz is still going with him despite the bad results so far

Not sure about Frank but I agree about Smith being hurt. That treatment from the home crowd would be hard on a grizzled vet. Doing that to a 21 year old is wrong.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Listening to DSJr post game interview. Man. I feel bad for him.

That was a bad look for the fans booing him. He was already deep in his own head. The kid is only 21.

i think it was really Fiz they were booing honestly

Do you think Smith thinks that?

Not saying i agree with it but thats why im starting to question if Fiz is the right fit. I think Frank(when he actually plays) is now terrified to make a mistake because he knows he has no leash. I think Smith is injured and probably needs time to get healthy but Fiz is still going with him despite the bad results so far

Not sure about Frank but I agree about Smith being hurt. That treatment from the home crowd would be hard on a grizzled vet. Doing that to a 21 year old is wrong.

I agree i dont support booing your own player UNLESS he did something very bad on/off the court. But like i said i think it was directed at Fiz. I feel he has mishandled both. I have a bigger issue with how he has handled Frank especially since we could of used his defense to defend the 3 at least if nothing else

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CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Listening to DSJr post game interview. Man. I feel bad for him.

That was a bad look for the fans booing him. He was already deep in his own head. The kid is only 21.

i think it was really Fiz they were booing honestly

Do you think Smith thinks that?

Not saying i agree with it but thats why im starting to question if Fiz is the right fit. I think Frank(when he actually plays) is now terrified to make a mistake because he knows he has no leash. I think Smith is injured and probably needs time to get healthy but Fiz is still going with him despite the bad results so far

Not sure about Frank but I agree about Smith being hurt. That treatment from the home crowd would be hard on a grizzled vet. Doing that to a 21 year old is wrong.

I agree i dont support booing your own player UNLESS he did something very bad on/off the court. But like i said i think it was directed at Fiz. I feel he has mishandled both. I have a bigger issue with how he has handled Frank especially since we could of used his defense to defend the 3 at least if nothing else

Frank gets it. Also knew the boos and chants were about DSJ.

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The decency and humility of Ntilikina is astonishing to me. He listens carefully to sportwriters who will piss in his cornflakes the first chance they get and he respectfully and appropriately answers their questions. And he does so by putting his teammates first.

Let's run him out of town.

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Listening to DSJr post game interview. Man. I feel bad for him.

That was a bad look for the fans booing him. He was already deep in his own head. The kid is only 21.

i think it was really Fiz they were booing honestly

Do you think Smith thinks that?

Not saying i agree with it but thats why im starting to question if Fiz is the right fit. I think Frank(when he actually plays) is now terrified to make a mistake because he knows he has no leash. I think Smith is injured and probably needs time to get healthy but Fiz is still going with him despite the bad results so far

Not sure about Frank but I agree about Smith being hurt. That treatment from the home crowd would be hard on a grizzled vet. Doing that to a 21 year old is wrong.

I agree i dont support booing your own player UNLESS he did something very bad on/off the court. But like i said i think it was directed at Fiz. I feel he has mishandled both. I have a bigger issue with how he has handled Frank especially since we could of used his defense to defend the 3 at least if nothing else

Frank gets it. Also knew the boos and chants were about DSJ.

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Chandler wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Listening to DSJr post game interview. Man. I feel bad for him.

That was a bad look for the fans booing him. He was already deep in his own head. The kid is only 21.

i think it was really Fiz they were booing honestly

Do you think Smith thinks that?

Not saying i agree with it but thats why im starting to question if Fiz is the right fit. I think Frank(when he actually plays) is now terrified to make a mistake because he knows he has no leash. I think Smith is injured and probably needs time to get healthy but Fiz is still going with him despite the bad results so far

Not sure about Frank but I agree about Smith being hurt. That treatment from the home crowd would be hard on a grizzled vet. Doing that to a 21 year old is wrong.

I agree i dont support booing your own player UNLESS he did something very bad on/off the court. But like i said i think it was directed at Fiz. I feel he has mishandled both. I have a bigger issue with how he has handled Frank especially since we could of used his defense to defend the 3 at least if nothing else

all due respect i think that is overly wishful thinking

they were clearly booing DSJ, frustrated that he seemed to be selfishly looking for his own shot when his shot has not been falling

I am not condoning the booing, but that's what it was. And to be honest, the Post had some quotes from him today which seemed very immature and selfish -- essentially complaining he only got 4 shots against the Nets. That didn't help. But as others have said he's only 21. We could have been classier

I have no doubt that when the MSG fans want to boo Fizz it will be unambiguous

Disagree. Dont believe it was about Smith jr. trying to generate some offense, it was about how he was doing it. His jumper has clearly failed him early on. Wasnt traded for his jump shooting anyway, its about his elite athleticism. What I believe fans were upset about, was DSjr not taking it to the rim, and mostly settling for bricks. Only way I see him turning the corner is going back to what got h8m drafted, his explosiveness.

fwk00 wrote:I watched the Boston broadcast.

Brian Scalabrine on watching the Knicks around the second quarter... "All we heard about was how the Knicks were going to speed it up, run, and defend full court - I'm seeing none of that here."

At the third quarter when the fans are chanting for Frank... "I think Frank is a stud yet he can't get on the court in this building."

Fourth quarter, "You know in the off season talk is cheap. The good thing about the NBA is that during the season you're held accountable."

Yet it’s the fans that are ludicrous and ridiculous for expecting decent signs of an offense at this point.

Yeah, extrapolate things all you want, I know many of us aren’t expecting Dynasty Warriors Offense, but after a year of no evident plan, starting the way we are should be alarming to anyone.

But whatever, we fans are exaggerating. This coach deserves 120 games to see if he can establish a system and only then can you speak about him.

WP76 wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:It’s really gonna get nasty between Smith Jr and Knicks fans

You just can't keep crapping all over yourself and expect anything else from NY fans.

Man, NY Knick fans are the worst. The booing your home team thing worked back in the 90s when you had tough coaches and players. Nowadays it's a different league- the hard-ass approach isn't effective on players anymore, and the booing is counter productive. Players understandably don't like it and can go elsewhere. If you're going to boo your own players, flame them online and to their face, blast them on the radio (often after only 2 or 3 games), don't then act surprised that no one wants to come here and play for you

Chandler wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

fwk00 wrote:I watched the Boston broadcast.

Brian Scalabrine on watching the Knicks around the second quarter... "All we heard about was how the Knicks were going to speed it up, run, and defend full court - I'm seeing none of that here."

At the third quarter when the fans are chanting for Frank... "I think Frank is a stud yet he can't get on the court in this building."

Fourth quarter, "You know in the off season talk is cheap. The good thing about the NBA is that during the season you're held accountable."

Yes I heard all of that too. (live in Boston)

Was quite clear the players wanted to humiliate the Knicks by 30 in the Knicks home opener. Stevens had the good sense to slow things down some

I also thought Scalabrine was being genuine when he referred to Frank that way

After the gsme the post game analysts essentially said we sucked tonight, except that our rebounding kept us in the game. Personally i didn't agree with that, but it showed how little respect we get

In listening to the game I thought the Boston announcers sincerely felt sorry for Knicks fans.

They talked about the fans needing something good to happen and how Barrett might be the best thing to happen to them.

But the Celtics really just toyed with the Knicks for three quarters - can't remember Kemba even playing that long.

I've been a Knicks fan for over fifty years and I knew what was coming and I am at a point in life where I'm tuning the Knicks apologists out.

This *can be* a winning, fun team to watch. The first three games have been pure torture.

I have no idea how anyone can expect us to feel sorry for DSJ after what Fiz has done to Frank. Someone is claiming this is DSJ's chance???? ...and you're not joking...

good lord.

i'm a fan for fifty as well

i did not think they were toying with us, personally. I thought they couldn't match our physicality. there was a point in the fame where we had as many offensive boards as they did defensively. Good stuff

it was fourth quarter stuff again and fizz's inability to close. Either he needed to make defensive adjustments, e.g., put frank on kemba, or at least play to the teams strengths tonight, e.g., have Trier and Barret attack the rim with Randle, Robinson or Portis cleaning up boards.

Yep, this is how I saw the game too.

We start great, then we keep things close with them for three quarters. Between the third and fourth, coincidentally when Smith Jr. was on the floor, we start to implode. Instead of going back strong after removing Smith, like in past games, we crumbled down like a pancake implosion and the rest is history.

Not blaming Smith, of course, but his presence did mark the turning point.

Turnovers an uncomfortable offensive possessions have been the norm. Activity on defense and on second chance point has helped us stay in the game. How many more games until it is legally allowed to question this strategy? When we are 1-10? 3-20?

Knicksfan wrote:

Chandler wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Listening to DSJr post game interview. Man. I feel bad for him.

That was a bad look for the fans booing him. He was already deep in his own head. The kid is only 21.

i think it was really Fiz they were booing honestly

Do you think Smith thinks that?

Not saying i agree with it but thats why im starting to question if Fiz is the right fit. I think Frank(when he actually plays) is now terrified to make a mistake because he knows he has no leash. I think Smith is injured and probably needs time to get healthy but Fiz is still going with him despite the bad results so far

Not sure about Frank but I agree about Smith being hurt. That treatment from the home crowd would be hard on a grizzled vet. Doing that to a 21 year old is wrong.

I agree i dont support booing your own player UNLESS he did something very bad on/off the court. But like i said i think it was directed at Fiz. I feel he has mishandled both. I have a bigger issue with how he has handled Frank especially since we could of used his defense to defend the 3 at least if nothing else

all due respect i think that is overly wishful thinking

they were clearly booing DSJ, frustrated that he seemed to be selfishly looking for his own shot when his shot has not been falling

I am not condoning the booing, but that's what it was. And to be honest, the Post had some quotes from him today which seemed very immature and selfish -- essentially complaining he only got 4 shots against the Nets. That didn't help. But as others have said he's only 21. We could have been classier

I have no doubt that when the MSG fans want to boo Fizz it will be unambiguous

I agree the fans did Dennis dirty, but I’m glad some read his comments on the shots because they reflect his game right now.

This is how I’ve been reading him:

If he is indeed healthy, then he seems to just go out there to test his shot, any offensive flow we have be damned. It looks selfish and the way he comes up short, it is even more infuriating. Then his body language looks so bad, like he can only focus on his shortcomings on his shot and how he should be in a better position as a player that when combined with the situation with Frank, who frankly can’t look as terrible as Dennis is, then you get all the boing.

Fans may be a-holes, but they do follow this team hard and know the stories that are developing already. The booing was them showing they know what has happened since preseason and are not happy with the rope Dennis is getting to get things right selfishly vs the way Frank has been ignored.

Admittedly, this shouldn’t be that big of an issue as both players right now aren’t close to where we would hope they’d be, so at best they represent a solid backup PG option. But Fiz has allowed this to grow in proportions and on a situation where fans are already frustrated with the team for years, this is a crazy proposition.