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StarksEwing1
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1/31/2019  7:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/31/2019  7:02 PM
homeskillitprigioni wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
homeskillitprigioni wrote:
TLover wrote:Oh and we could’ve drafted DSJr..

So you trade KP to fix clear up your mistakes.

Fuck’n sickening

And there's people defending Mills on this for getting rid of the garbage...that HE brought in!!!

but we did get back assets. Nobody was giving a kings ransom for a player coming off ACL injury and has a bad injury history. Yes we got cap room but we also got two firsts and dsj.

We got mediocre assets. The firsts as of now are not really valuable, considering the Mavs will probably be pretty good in the short term and nobody's going to put high value on a '23 pick. Except the Knicks, but we can't trade with ourselves.

I agree that we weren't going to get full value for Porzingis...but two things about that is we could either waited to deal him for after he shows something on the court, or we could've gotten back something more than literally a penny on the dollar back for him.

How do you know? You do know that KP has said he will sign a QO which makes him a free agent after next year right. He may only be there a year. KP wanted out. The Knicks tried the pelicans but they said no
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1/31/2019  7:05 PM
Good trade, but incomplete pending the hopeful quick departures of Matthews and Jordan. You have to appropriately weigh the high probability factors - 1) continuous history of friction/discontent = the likelihood of KP staying was not high, 2) the stepwise value loss occurred at the time of his injury (which was bad luck), amplified by the timing of his contract renewal before sufficient data of his recovery. 3) Without a quick trade, his value depreciates even further as the media frenzy compounds, so the timing was correct.

The yield was the removal of 50 million in cap space, allowing tandem signings starting immediately. It renews the development focus on the higher value targets - Knox, Robinson, Trier, Ntilikina etc. It collects an unprotected 2021 pick, a 2023 protected 1st round pick and Dennis Smith Jr. The return is diversified. The key is dumping anyone that can play even marginally - Jordan, Matthews, whoever - to maximize this year's pick.

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1/31/2019  7:12 PM
we need to make more trades for 2019 picks
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1/31/2019  7:13 PM
Not sure how true it is but my buddy said SAS was on Michael Kay telling him that supposedly KP was telling other players not to come here. I dont trust SAS much but if true that was a d#ck move by KP
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1/31/2019  7:19 PM
Uptown wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Watching tbat nice alley oop, DSJ threw last night, looking forward to watching him throw them to MitchRob.

No secret that I wanted Smith at 8 over Frank...Thought and still think Smith is more talented. Lets see what he can do for the 2nd half of the season...If anybody can unlock his talent, its Fiz....Look what he has done for Mudiay...

You and me both. As far as talent, we havent seen Frank put a game like DSJr had last night, since he was drafted. Granted that was against us, lol. Still, its kind of a fluke DSJr was available.

It was a generational player who made Smith jr, expendable. Things like that dont happen often. Fans shouldnt take it to mean that Smith had been a bust in Dallas, he hasnt. Doncic is already breaking or tying GOAT rookie records. Hopefully we got lucky.
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1/31/2019  7:19 PM

This is nice, too.
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1/31/2019  7:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/31/2019  7:27 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:Not sure how true it is but my buddy said SAS was on Michael Kay telling him that supposedly KP was telling other players not to come here. I dont trust SAS much but if true that was a d#ck move by KP

SAS said as much on Sports Center as well...If that's true, good riddance to KP! Cant have a guy on the team who is not on the same page and is potentially sabotaging us...
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1/31/2019  7:23 PM
codeunknown wrote:Good trade, but incomplete pending the hopeful quick departures of Matthews and Jordan. You have to appropriately weigh the high probability factors - 1) continuous history of friction/discontent = the likelihood of KP staying was not high, 2) the stepwise value loss occurred at the time of his injury (which was bad luck), amplified by the timing of his contract renewal before sufficient data of his recovery. 3) Without a quick trade, his value depreciates even further as the media frenzy compounds, so the timing was correct.

The yield was the removal of 50 million in cap space, allowing tandem signings starting immediately. It renews the development focus on the higher value targets - Knox, Robinson, Trier, Ntilikina etc. It collects an unprotected 2021 pick, a 2023 protected 1st round pick and Dennis Smith Jr. The return is diversified. The key is dumping anyone that can play even marginally - Jordan, Matthews, whoever - to maximize this year's pick.


Great post.
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1/31/2019  7:23 PM
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StarksEwing1 wrote:Not sure how true it is but my buddy said SAS was on Michael Kay telling him that supposedly KP was telling other players not to come here. I dont trust SAS much but if true that was a d#ck move by KP

SAS said as much on Sports Center as well...Its that's true, good riddance to KP! Cant have a guy on the team who is not on the same page and is potentially sabotaging us...

Agreed. I want to be fair because we know SAS likes to exaggerate but knowing Janis i wouldnt be surprised. I always have felt KP has been influenced negatively by his brother whereas when he is by himself he comes across much better
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1/31/2019  7:26 PM
Uptown wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Not sure how true it is but my buddy said SAS was on Michael Kay telling him that supposedly KP was telling other players not to come here. I dont trust SAS much but if true that was a d#ck move by KP

SAS said as much on Sports Center as well...Its that's true, good riddance to KP! Cant have a guy on the team who is not on the same page and is potentially sabotaging us...


Wow. If true he needed to be moved.
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1/31/2019  7:33 PM
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Uptown wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Not sure how true it is but my buddy said SAS was on Michael Kay telling him that supposedly KP was telling other players not to come here. I dont trust SAS much but if true that was a d#ck move by KP

SAS said as much on Sports Center as well...Its that's true, good riddance to KP! Cant have a guy on the team who is not on the same page and is potentially sabotaging us...


Wow. If true he needed to be moved.

Fcuk KP. He hasn't done anything in this league, and he asks for a trade while he's been out for a year?! Good riddance. Hope you never amount to anything.
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1/31/2019  7:47 PM
How did the Knicks get ripped off so hard that the 2023 pick is a protected one? This seems like a deal where the Knicks just said yes to everything and basically ensured they wouldn't get anything great back.
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1/31/2019  7:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/31/2019  7:49 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:Not sure how true it is but my buddy said SAS was on Michael Kay telling him that supposedly KP was telling other players not to come here. I dont trust SAS much but if true that was a d#ck move by KP

While most Knick fans loved the guy I couldn't stand him since the exit interview. Should of let Phil trade him he knew the kid was a cancer then. Terrible trade though

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1/31/2019  7:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/31/2019  7:52 PM
homeskillitprigioni wrote:How did the Knicks get ripped off so hard that the 2023 pick is a protected one? This seems like a deal where the Knicks just said yes to everything and basically ensured they wouldn't get anything great back.
very rarely do you get two unprotected first round picks even for better players who arent injured. Look obviously you think we got **** back but being fair getting back two first(one unprotected and one only top 10 protected) for a player who has had one all star year and has injury issues isnt bad
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homeskillitprigioni wrote:How did the Knicks get ripped off so hard that the 2023 pick is a protected one? This seems like a deal where the Knicks just said yes to everything and basically ensured they wouldn't get anything great back.

It’s unprotected in 2025.

And we don’t exactly get the 2021 yet. We get it if Atlanta gets their pick this year. We get a Dallas pick 2 years after Atlanta gets theirs.

Basically, feel better that the Knicks got two first round picks and don’t mind them until they actually become really ours, which we don’t know when.

So if you care about instant gratification, hope that NY can turn Jordan and Mathews into draft picks in this decade.

Yah

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Cartman718 wrote:
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Uptown wrote:I'm in the minority here...If we tale a step back and stop and let the initial shock wear off and we shed the woah-is-me attitude, its a good move for us. We are no where as close to the situation as Perry and Mills, but even we could tell something was up with KP and hi Bro dating back to when he skipped the exit interview...His instagram post that went at Fiz was uncalled for and I think management knew it was a long shot that he would re-sign. Look how fast he informed Dallas he would re-sign? also, I'm concerned about KP's health long term...

Love the Draft picks we received, the cap space and a young, explosive pg in Smith. Not sure what we do with Jordan. We cant let him and Matthews mess up our draft order that we worked so hard for...Again, I'm a fan of the trade.

It's been reported Porzingis told the Mavs he would only sign the QO, which was probably what he intended to do with the Knicks anyway, which in turn scared the Knicks, who knew already there was trouble in paradise with Janis and Porzingis.

I mean, this only shows Porzingis seems to have a set plan that might not even include the Mavs.

True. He can walk after signing the 1 year QO. If that happens then this deal can be huge for us now and the future

Imagine if after next season he says bye bye Mavs, hello Knicks!

Better not be injured then, SMH

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homeskillitprigioni wrote:How did the Knicks get ripped off so hard that the 2023 pick is a protected one? This seems like a deal where the Knicks just said yes to everything and basically ensured they wouldn't get anything great back.

It’s unprotected in 2025.

And we don’t exactly get the 2021 yet. We get it if Atlanta gets their pick this year. We get a Dallas pick 2 years after Atlanta gets theirs.

Basically, feel better that the Knicks got two first round picks and don’t mind them until they actually become really ours, which we don’t know when.

So if you care about instant gratification, hope that NY can turn Jordan and Mathews into draft picks in this decade.

Yah

If Dallas ends up in the top 5. The Knicks will get that pick. If they end up outside the top 5 then that pick goes to ATL forcing Knicks to wait until 2021.

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1/31/2019  8:00 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/31/2019  8:06 PM
I'm stunned. Isn't the whole point of drafting to get players like Porzingis homegrown? All the players we are getting are useless and dsj is a big question mark. That Dallas pick isn't going to be any good either if after this year. If we aren't getting Durant and another prime player in free agency I'm done with this team for a long time.
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