djsunyc wrote:

gr33d wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

gr33d wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

gr33d wrote:

djsunyc wrote:why does everything always have to be about race?

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https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/892538640789901312

Affirmative action has put whites and asians at a disadvantage since its inception.

Some of the biggest schools have lower SAT requirements and application bonus points, just for being black or Hispanic. Eventually the equality lawsuits pile up and they'll force a rational debate.

it is impossible for whites to be at a disadvantage. b/c of the dominance of the race and the suppression of everyone non-white throughout most of civilization's history - it will take centuries to put folks on an equal level. that's why affirmative action and preference to non-whites (as well as females) must be in place to accelerate the process. it can't be looked in a bubble - we have to assess based on how we got to this point and how we can correct it as quick as possible.

At some point you have to decide if it's working and I think that's the point... Have we made progress and/or does the method need improvement/change? And are we making inroads at the expense of white and asian educations?

We're an evolving society, things change... People change. But it doesn't always have to be at the expense of our neighbors...

30 years ago women were home, raising kids and taking care of homes... Today, that's almost impossible. And looking at recent wage gap data, we've made great strides here.

i'm not sure what you mean by at the expense of asians. but "at the expense" of whites doesn't register with me. it will take decades/generations for it to even come close to "at the expense" of whites.

So you're not sure what it means that whites and asians have been displaced from certain schools by accepting lower scoring blacks and hispanics? How is this fair and why am I not surprised...

i am not aware of the asian displacement - can you post some articles on it?

is it fair that whites are being displaced? no. but i look at this as course correction and it's needed to eventually to put everyone on the same playing field.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/06/asian-americans-and-the-future-of-affirmative-action/489023/

djsunyc wrote:

gr33d wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

gr33d wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

gr33d wrote:

djsunyc wrote:why does everything always have to be about race?

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/892538640789901312

Affirmative action has put whites and asians at a disadvantage since its inception.

Some of the biggest schools have lower SAT requirements and application bonus points, just for being black or Hispanic. Eventually the equality lawsuits pile up and they'll force a rational debate.

it is impossible for whites to be at a disadvantage. b/c of the dominance of the race and the suppression of everyone non-white throughout most of civilization's history - it will take centuries to put folks on an equal level. that's why affirmative action and preference to non-whites (as well as females) must be in place to accelerate the process. it can't be looked in a bubble - we have to assess based on how we got to this point and how we can correct it as quick as possible.

At some point you have to decide if it's working and I think that's the point... Have we made progress and/or does the method need improvement/change? And are we making inroads at the expense of white and asian educations?

We're an evolving society, things change... People change. But it doesn't always have to be at the expense of our neighbors...

30 years ago women were home, raising kids and taking care of homes... Today, that's almost impossible. And looking at recent wage gap data, we've made great strides here.

i'm not sure what you mean by at the expense of asians. but "at the expense" of whites doesn't register with me. it will take decades/generations for it to even come close to "at the expense" of whites.

So you're not sure what it means that whites and asians have been displaced from certain schools by accepting lower scoring blacks and hispanics? How is this fair and why am I not surprised...

i am not aware of the asian displacement - can you post some articles on it?

is it fair that whites are being displaced? no. but i look at this as course correction and it's needed to eventually to put everyone on the same playing field.

Its the trade off for refusing to offer wealth redistribution. African Americans wanted wealth redistribution, its what essentially got Marcus Garvey deported & MLK killed. And would have been the *fair* option directly post slavery. If these principals were put in place then everyone would have been able to start from the same ground level and there would be no need for the programs in place. Though i'm sure there would have been massive corruption regardless which lead to obstacles of equality for minority groups based on the mindset of those generations.

Either way there is no answer that won't effect another group of people one way or another. And the issues for African Americans in America run waaaaaay longer than just slavery. The decisions in as early as the 90s have set back today's parents of today's generation.

Rookie wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

gr33d wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

gr33d wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

gr33d wrote:

djsunyc wrote:why does everything always have to be about race?

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/892538640789901312

Affirmative action has put whites and asians at a disadvantage since its inception.

Some of the biggest schools have lower SAT requirements and application bonus points, just for being black or Hispanic. Eventually the equality lawsuits pile up and they'll force a rational debate.

it is impossible for whites to be at a disadvantage. b/c of the dominance of the race and the suppression of everyone non-white throughout most of civilization's history - it will take centuries to put folks on an equal level. that's why affirmative action and preference to non-whites (as well as females) must be in place to accelerate the process. it can't be looked in a bubble - we have to assess based on how we got to this point and how we can correct it as quick as possible.

At some point you have to decide if it's working and I think that's the point... Have we made progress and/or does the method need improvement/change? And are we making inroads at the expense of white and asian educations?

We're an evolving society, things change... People change. But it doesn't always have to be at the expense of our neighbors...

30 years ago women were home, raising kids and taking care of homes... Today, that's almost impossible. And looking at recent wage gap data, we've made great strides here.

i'm not sure what you mean by at the expense of asians. but "at the expense" of whites doesn't register with me. it will take decades/generations for it to even come close to "at the expense" of whites.

So you're not sure what it means that whites and asians have been displaced from certain schools by accepting lower scoring blacks and hispanics? How is this fair and why am I not surprised...

i am not aware of the asian displacement - can you post some articles on it?

is it fair that whites are being displaced? no. but i look at this as course correction and it's needed to eventually to put everyone on the same playing field.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/06/asian-americans-and-the-future-of-affirmative-action/489023/

Clearly, Jeremy Lin isn't doing enough to solve this problem.

Rookie wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Rookie wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

gr33d wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

gr33d wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

gr33d wrote:

djsunyc wrote:why does everything always have to be about race?

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/892538640789901312

Affirmative action has put whites and asians at a disadvantage since its inception.

Some of the biggest schools have lower SAT requirements and application bonus points, just for being black or Hispanic. Eventually the equality lawsuits pile up and they'll force a rational debate.

it is impossible for whites to be at a disadvantage. b/c of the dominance of the race and the suppression of everyone non-white throughout most of civilization's history - it will take centuries to put folks on an equal level. that's why affirmative action and preference to non-whites (as well as females) must be in place to accelerate the process. it can't be looked in a bubble - we have to assess based on how we got to this point and how we can correct it as quick as possible.

At some point you have to decide if it's working and I think that's the point... Have we made progress and/or does the method need improvement/change? And are we making inroads at the expense of white and asian educations?

We're an evolving society, things change... People change. But it doesn't always have to be at the expense of our neighbors...

30 years ago women were home, raising kids and taking care of homes... Today, that's almost impossible. And looking at recent wage gap data, we've made great strides here.

i'm not sure what you mean by at the expense of asians. but "at the expense" of whites doesn't register with me. it will take decades/generations for it to even come close to "at the expense" of whites.

So you're not sure what it means that whites and asians have been displaced from certain schools by accepting lower scoring blacks and hispanics? How is this fair and why am I not surprised...

i am not aware of the asian displacement - can you post some articles on it?

is it fair that whites are being displaced? no. but i look at this as course correction and it's needed to eventually to put everyone on the same playing field.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/06/asian-americans-and-the-future-of-affirmative-action/489023/

Clearly, Jeremy Lin isn't doing enough to solve this problem.

I hear The View is looking for a new co-host to replace Barbara Walters, you should apply. You and Whoopi can be besties.

So suggesting me and a black woman can be friends is some sort of dig?

Rookie wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Rookie wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Rookie wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

gr33d wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

gr33d wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

gr33d wrote:

djsunyc wrote:why does everything always have to be about race?

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/892538640789901312

Affirmative action has put whites and asians at a disadvantage since its inception.

Some of the biggest schools have lower SAT requirements and application bonus points, just for being black or Hispanic. Eventually the equality lawsuits pile up and they'll force a rational debate.

it is impossible for whites to be at a disadvantage. b/c of the dominance of the race and the suppression of everyone non-white throughout most of civilization's history - it will take centuries to put folks on an equal level. that's why affirmative action and preference to non-whites (as well as females) must be in place to accelerate the process. it can't be looked in a bubble - we have to assess based on how we got to this point and how we can correct it as quick as possible.

At some point you have to decide if it's working and I think that's the point... Have we made progress and/or does the method need improvement/change? And are we making inroads at the expense of white and asian educations?

We're an evolving society, things change... People change. But it doesn't always have to be at the expense of our neighbors...

30 years ago women were home, raising kids and taking care of homes... Today, that's almost impossible. And looking at recent wage gap data, we've made great strides here.

i'm not sure what you mean by at the expense of asians. but "at the expense" of whites doesn't register with me. it will take decades/generations for it to even come close to "at the expense" of whites.

So you're not sure what it means that whites and asians have been displaced from certain schools by accepting lower scoring blacks and hispanics? How is this fair and why am I not surprised...

i am not aware of the asian displacement - can you post some articles on it?

is it fair that whites are being displaced? no. but i look at this as course correction and it's needed to eventually to put everyone on the same playing field.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/06/asian-americans-and-the-future-of-affirmative-action/489023/

Clearly, Jeremy Lin isn't doing enough to solve this problem.

I hear The View is looking for a new co-host to replace Barbara Walters, you should apply. You and Whoopi can be besties.

So suggesting me and a black woman can be friends is some sort of dig?

do you really have so little to say that you can only answer every post with a question?

In the post where you declared you wouldn't respond to me anymore you complained that I had too much to say.

But no, I was giving you an opportunity to explain a very odd sentiment. You're under no obligation to explain it.

Rookie wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Rookie wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Rookie wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Rookie wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

gr33d wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

gr33d wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

gr33d wrote:

djsunyc wrote:why does everything always have to be about race?

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/892538640789901312

Affirmative action has put whites and asians at a disadvantage since its inception.

Some of the biggest schools have lower SAT requirements and application bonus points, just for being black or Hispanic. Eventually the equality lawsuits pile up and they'll force a rational debate.

it is impossible for whites to be at a disadvantage. b/c of the dominance of the race and the suppression of everyone non-white throughout most of civilization's history - it will take centuries to put folks on an equal level. that's why affirmative action and preference to non-whites (as well as females) must be in place to accelerate the process. it can't be looked in a bubble - we have to assess based on how we got to this point and how we can correct it as quick as possible.

At some point you have to decide if it's working and I think that's the point... Have we made progress and/or does the method need improvement/change? And are we making inroads at the expense of white and asian educations?

We're an evolving society, things change... People change. But it doesn't always have to be at the expense of our neighbors...

30 years ago women were home, raising kids and taking care of homes... Today, that's almost impossible. And looking at recent wage gap data, we've made great strides here.

i'm not sure what you mean by at the expense of asians. but "at the expense" of whites doesn't register with me. it will take decades/generations for it to even come close to "at the expense" of whites.

So you're not sure what it means that whites and asians have been displaced from certain schools by accepting lower scoring blacks and hispanics? How is this fair and why am I not surprised...

i am not aware of the asian displacement - can you post some articles on it?

is it fair that whites are being displaced? no. but i look at this as course correction and it's needed to eventually to put everyone on the same playing field.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/06/asian-americans-and-the-future-of-affirmative-action/489023/

Clearly, Jeremy Lin isn't doing enough to solve this problem.

I hear The View is looking for a new co-host to replace Barbara Walters, you should apply. You and Whoopi can be besties.

So suggesting me and a black woman can be friends is some sort of dig?

do you really have so little to say that you can only answer every post with a question?

In the post where you declared you wouldn't respond to me anymore you complained that I had too much to say.

But no, I was giving you an opportunity to explain a very odd sentiment. You're under no obligation to explain it.

Why don't you clearly state your position on whatever topic it is that you are referring to. I have plenty of time to respond to you now since the fishing here is rained out

Well there're plenty of posts from me to you to respond to the previous page if you're inclined. Assuming you meant specifically the affirmative action topic I did express my thoughts on the previous page as well.

Having read the Atlantic article you linked to I was simply making a joke (that's okay, right?) highlighting the flaw in what appeared to me and others as criticizing black athletes for not doing enough to address a shared societal burden.

Rookie wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Rookie wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Rookie wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Rookie wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Rookie wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

gr33d wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

gr33d wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

gr33d wrote:

djsunyc wrote:why does everything always have to be about race?

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/892538640789901312

Affirmative action has put whites and asians at a disadvantage since its inception.

Some of the biggest schools have lower SAT requirements and application bonus points, just for being black or Hispanic. Eventually the equality lawsuits pile up and they'll force a rational debate.

it is impossible for whites to be at a disadvantage. b/c of the dominance of the race and the suppression of everyone non-white throughout most of civilization's history - it will take centuries to put folks on an equal level. that's why affirmative action and preference to non-whites (as well as females) must be in place to accelerate the process. it can't be looked in a bubble - we have to assess based on how we got to this point and how we can correct it as quick as possible.

At some point you have to decide if it's working and I think that's the point... Have we made progress and/or does the method need improvement/change? And are we making inroads at the expense of white and asian educations?

We're an evolving society, things change... People change. But it doesn't always have to be at the expense of our neighbors...

30 years ago women were home, raising kids and taking care of homes... Today, that's almost impossible. And looking at recent wage gap data, we've made great strides here.

i'm not sure what you mean by at the expense of asians. but "at the expense" of whites doesn't register with me. it will take decades/generations for it to even come close to "at the expense" of whites.

So you're not sure what it means that whites and asians have been displaced from certain schools by accepting lower scoring blacks and hispanics? How is this fair and why am I not surprised...

i am not aware of the asian displacement - can you post some articles on it?

is it fair that whites are being displaced? no. but i look at this as course correction and it's needed to eventually to put everyone on the same playing field.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/06/asian-americans-and-the-future-of-affirmative-action/489023/

Clearly, Jeremy Lin isn't doing enough to solve this problem.

I hear The View is looking for a new co-host to replace Barbara Walters, you should apply. You and Whoopi can be besties.

So suggesting me and a black woman can be friends is some sort of dig?

do you really have so little to say that you can only answer every post with a question?

In the post where you declared you wouldn't respond to me anymore you complained that I had too much to say.

But no, I was giving you an opportunity to explain a very odd sentiment. You're under no obligation to explain it.

Why don't you clearly state your position on whatever topic it is that you are referring to. I have plenty of time to respond to you now since the fishing here is rained out

Well there're plenty of posts from me to you to respond to the previous page if you're inclined. Assuming you meant specifically the affirmative action topic I did express my thoughts on the previous page as well.

Having read the Atlantic article you linked to I was simply making a joke (that's okay, right?) highlighting the flaw in what appeared to me and others as criticizing black athletes for not doing enough to address a shared societal burden.

Here's an interesting tid bit. There are only a handful of States that have laws banning discrimination in public accommodations based on gender identity. If you pull up a map of United States Governors by party affiliation, the maps are almost identical

Okay, that's pretty expected. Don't you think?

Rookie wrote:Here is a map of ideology by State. Again, the graphic images follow the same pattern

Yup, again not surprising.

Rookie wrote:Here is an image of the electoral college by state. Again, same pattern. The majority of the country is Average to conservative while Liberal voters cluster in states with the most electoral college. The only point I am making is how liberal democrats need to realize that their views are different then the majority of the country. The emphasis being on different rather then who is right and who is wrong.

didn't the majority of America vote for Hilary?

Also, liberal voters don't cluster in states with the most electoral college. It's the other way around.

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:Here is an image of the electoral college by state. Again, same pattern. The majority of the country is Average to conservative while Liberal voters cluster in states with the most electoral college. The only point I am making is how liberal democrats need to realize that their views are different then the majority of the country. The emphasis being on different rather then who is right and who is wrong.

didn't the majority of America vote for Hilary?

Also, liberal voters don't cluster in states with the most electoral college. It's the other way around.

That was worded weirdly. Here, go to this website. You can go state by state and see even within a state the voting patterns. Democratic voters tend to be in densely populated and urban areas while the vast majority less populated area of the states and the country voted republican. So even though Democrats populate a small area of a state, the densely populate that area and can carry the states electoral vote. Does that make more sense. Basically, outside of densely populated areas which are small geographically, everyone people are generally moderate to conservative. http://www.cnn.com/election/results/president

Rookie wrote:Here is an image of the electoral college by state. Again, same pattern. The majority of the country is Average to conservative while Liberal voters cluster in states with the most electoral college. The only point I am making is how liberal democrats need to realize that their views are different then the majority of the country. The emphasis being on different rather then who is right and who is wrong.

And not for nothing Rookie, but this broad theme has little to nothing to do with your post about Michael Jordan. I don't doubt for a minute you intended that to be the opening of what you consider it a "positive" conversation. But myself and others here have heard that kind of 'argument' before and recognize it. Whether you intended it or not it reads like the black community doesn't do enough help itself.

If you walk the walk about wanting to understand the views of people different than yourself, understand that's a very offensive, loaded notion to some. But nobody flew off the handle about it and actually tried you tried to engage in conversation about it.