djsunyc wrote:

Madonna has a message for America after Donald Trump's presidential win. "We're ****ed," she told actress Elizabeth Banks in a revealing Billboard interview.

" felt like someone died," Madonna says. " felt like a combination of the heartbreak and betrayal you feel when someone you love more than anything leaves you, and also a death. I feel that way every morning; I wake up and say, 'Oh, wait, Donald Trump is still the president,' and it wasn’t a bad dream that I had."

The pop icon also blamed Trump's victory – and Hillary Clinton's loss – on women voters, touting the theory that "women hate women." "It feels like women betrayed us," she said. "The percentage of women who voted for Trump was insanely high … Women's nature is not to support other women. It's really sad. Men protect each other, and women protect their men and children. Women turn inward and men are more external.

"A lot of it has do with jealousy and some sort of tribal inability to accept that one of their kind could lead a nation," she continued. "Other people just didn't bother to vote because they didn't like either candidate, or they didn't think Trump had a chance in the world. They took their hands off the wheel and then the car crashed."

Madonna, Billboard's Woman of the Year, said she met Trump "years ago" for a Versace campaign at the president-elect's Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Florida – and she found him charming, if unfitting for the presidency.

"He's a very friendly guy, ­charismatic in that ­boastful, macho, alpha-male way," she said. "I found his political incorrectness amusing. Of course, I didn't know he was going to be running for ­president 20 years later. People like that exist in the world, I'm OK with it. They just can’t be heads of state. I just can't put him and Barack Obama in the same ­sentence, same room, same job description."

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/madonna-on-donald-trumps-election-win-were-f--ked-w453873

Liberals didn't know how much they cared for this country until now...This shet is deep and it ain't going away...

holfresh wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

Madonna has a message for America after Donald Trump's presidential win. "We're ****ed," she told actress Elizabeth Banks in a revealing Billboard interview.

" felt like someone died," Madonna says. " felt like a combination of the heartbreak and betrayal you feel when someone you love more than anything leaves you, and also a death. I feel that way every morning; I wake up and say, 'Oh, wait, Donald Trump is still the president,' and it wasn’t a bad dream that I had."

The pop icon also blamed Trump's victory – and Hillary Clinton's loss – on women voters, touting the theory that "women hate women." "It feels like women betrayed us," she said. "The percentage of women who voted for Trump was insanely high … Women's nature is not to support other women. It's really sad. Men protect each other, and women protect their men and children. Women turn inward and men are more external.

"A lot of it has do with jealousy and some sort of tribal inability to accept that one of their kind could lead a nation," she continued. "Other people just didn't bother to vote because they didn't like either candidate, or they didn't think Trump had a chance in the world. They took their hands off the wheel and then the car crashed."

Madonna, Billboard's Woman of the Year, said she met Trump "years ago" for a Versace campaign at the president-elect's Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Florida – and she found him charming, if unfitting for the presidency.

"He's a very friendly guy, ­charismatic in that ­boastful, macho, alpha-male way," she said. "I found his political incorrectness amusing. Of course, I didn't know he was going to be running for ­president 20 years later. People like that exist in the world, I'm OK with it. They just can’t be heads of state. I just can't put him and Barack Obama in the same ­sentence, same room, same job description."

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/madonna-on-donald-trumps-election-win-were-f--ked-w453873

Liberals didn't know how much they cared for this country until now...This shet is deep and it ain't going away...

word. my g/f is still pretty upset over this - as am i. she told me what madonna said in that article months ago. it's pretty f cked up to see the real effects of being oppressed for so long that your mentality shifts. part is genetic, part is being the one to bear children, but a big part is how women have been treated throughout history. just look at how women are still treated in third world countries and/or under some other strict religions.

race superceded gender in this election for whites.

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https://twitter.com/sneakdoorbeta/status/802216477533343744

click on it tweet and look at the follow up tweets with excerpts...

Bonn1997 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

martin wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:I honestly can't talk about this anymore. I'm not allowed.

EMS, you are acting like a child on this. If you don't understand or can't act like an adult, I'll ask you to not post in this thread any more.

I'd like to keep this to real political conversion, not hearsay and innuendo as you have been spamming this thread with.

Thanks.

Martin, can you state your point without name calling? What you said isn't a big deal, but I'm attacked again and again and you do nothing. You are a mod too right?
I mean you mod me, but I haven't seen you mod Hillary supporters. And comparatively, I'm friendly compared to the people attacking me, name calling, etc.

Basically, if MSM didn't say it, it can't go in this thread. And that basically means, this is a pro Hillary thread, as the media is mostly behind her and mostly against Trump. Yet the vote was basically 50 50.

I've been told not to post Pics and sometimes Twitters, but Walt can do that and not a word is said. I get called a racist because I want a stronger border policy
and nothing was said to that person by you. (And I cleared things up by saying my Grandfather was from Syria, not a peep after that.)

This thread reflects what I see in the news. There is all this name calling by Hillary supporters against Trump supporters (e.g. being racist, prejudiced, etc.)and yet that is what is being done to us.

BTW - I will stop posting about PizzaGate (until MSM picks it up and it becomes political).

No, he's saying that only substantiated sources should be posted here. If you have a source that fails basic fact-checking or a source that you're not willing to defend, it shouldn't be here. It just drags the forum down. I think it would be a better forum and better thread if people were careful with what they posted and at least did a decent investigation into the accuracy of their claims before posting, especially when the source is making a serious charge against a political figure. It is a worse forum if anything negative that's found on the internet gets posted here. The same standard should apply for CNN, MSNBC, or any other Fox Sources and should apply for anything critical of Trump.

The war on ‘fake news’ is all about censoring real news
http://nypost.com/2016/12/04/the-war-on-fake-news-is-all-about-censoring-real-news/

Plenty of things that aren't MSM have been posted here without difficulty. I've put a ton of 538 articles on this forum, and they're definitely not mainstream. (They challenge the MSM's lack of statistical sophistication and have non-conventional views of sports, politics, and many other topics.)

It is probably best to let Martin answer Martin's ? And have you seen some of the stuff Walt posted? Talk about substantiated, lol. Seriously. There are two standards here, probably due to the numbers.

Since my last post there were 12 news posts, give or take. I think they are all either anti Trump or "correcting the record" (mine). Look further into this thread and the last thread, like 80% pro Hillary / Anti-Trump. Without my posts there would be about 2 other people pro Trump.

I realize the occasional non MSM can be linked. But this thread is basically against Trump (outside of the occasional political story), with special attention paid to anything positive for him and primarily what the MSM mouthpiece says.

And apparently you all feel good about confirming your opinions with each other and it is backed up by a corrupt MSM. e.g. Bezos owns Wash Post, Trump bad for Amazon, Wash Post against Trump. Same is true for the other MSM orgs.( Amazon will lose money under Trump and Trump has mentioned anti-trust issues with Amazon.) We can't have businesses owning MSM. We can't have a neutral MSM when they are for profit corps.

I went with MSM posts for a bit and those were attacked as well. I'm not talking alt news here or even anything sensational. Your normal run of the mill MSM, though it was difficult to find anything
positive on Trump, much easier to find things against Hillary. But they were factual, just didn't match the consensus narrative here. It is just about opinion but you make
it out to be about "fact" as you have the numbers. So, fact is not fact, it is numbers as there are many perspectives here but the group mentality sets the rules.

Enjoy the sanctuary of this thread, but Hillary lost, and Trump is our new President. I'm gonna give him a chance.

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:Popular vote Hillary up 2.621 million and counting...

Will that change the 306 to 232 Electoral count?

No but it's making a case for why the electoral college system should be scrapped...

But obviously the Electoral college is trying to create some equality. Aren't we a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy?
Look at this picture. Trump absolutely dominated on a State by State basis. The idea is not to have the population of e.g. CA, NY decide the outcome for all the States.
Perhaps some adjustment in the EC can be argued but scrapping it?

These two statements are true in theory. In practice, with paperless voting machines, we don't even know if they are.

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:Popular vote Hillary up 2.621 million and counting...

Will that change the 306 to 232 Electoral count?

No but it's making a case for why the electoral college system should be scrapped...

But obviously the Electoral college is trying to create some equality. Aren't we a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy?
Look at this picture. Trump absolutely dominated on a State by State basis. The idea is not to have the population of e.g. CA, NY decide the outcome for all the States.
Perhaps some adjustment in the EC can be argued but scrapping it?

We are a democracy in the sense that we have freedom of speech, freedom to assemble and freedom practice our religion...The electoral college is about maintaining inequality in Washington...The map you posted is about land mass not about people or voters...As more people get educated, they will migrate to states that have jobs suited for their education...Our legislators doesn't want voters who are educated voting nor their votes to count, they want people they can manipulate...This system was set up 250 years ago and we act like the constitution was a divine document...We don't trust our legislators of today for more than 4 years but we trust legislators of 250 years ago to see 100s of years into the future...

Let's look at the Senate where Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota and West Virginia combined have a total population of 4 million people with 8 Senators..They have more voting power than California, New York and Texas combined which have 6 Senators and 86 million people...How is that democratic???..90% of the population want gun legislation changed and we can't get it done..It's a rigged system...It can't be ignore anymore...

Hate crimes are up 115 percent since Election Day compared with the same time last year — one of the most recent victims, an off-duty Muslim NYPD Officer, spoke about her experience for the first time in public Monday. Our Michael Scotto has the story.

"We have Allah to help us and we know he will guide us through this hard time," said NYPD officer Aml Elsoskary.

Choking back tears, the city cop spoke publicly Monday after she and her son were verbally attacked in Brooklyn Saturday night.

"I know that New Yorkers are going to be there to help me and be supportive," she said. "And I have faith in everybody's support."

Officials say a man approached Elsokary, who was off-duty and wearing a hijab, and threatened to cut her throat. He also told her to "go back to your country."

On Monday, Elsokary appeared with Brooklyn Borough President Eric Adams and, in a separate news conference, with Mayor de Blasio. He condemned the incident and expressed support for the 900 Muslim officers serving in the NYPD.

"I was sick to my stomach when I heard that one of our officers was subjected to threats and taunting simply because of her faith," the mayor said.

The man accused of the attack has been arrested and charged with a hate crime and aggravated assault.

Elsokary, who was cited for heroism two years ago for rescuing two people from a burning building, thanked the city for standing by her.

"I became a police officer to show a positive side of New Yorker, a Muslim woman who can do the job," she said.

The incident is part of an alarming surge in hate crimes.

The NYPD says there have been at least 43 bias attacks since Election Day, compared to 20 during the same time last year — a staggering 115 percent increase.

More than half the incidents -- 24, according to officials -- have been anti-Semitic.

De Blasio is blaming Donald Trump's rhetoric during the presidential campaign for the increase in bias crimes. Trump has called for an end to the hate, but de Blasio says the president-elect needs to do more.

"We could lose lives because of this, and so the temperature has to be brought down," de Blasio said. "We're going to do this by showing positive examples to people."

The mayor is urging everyone in the city to come forward and report any acts of hate. He says that is the only way to stop them.

validated and empowered.

djsunyc wrote:http://www.wthr.com/article/usw-730-union-jobs-saved-in-carrier-deal-not-1100

Union workers got a letter at the plant saying Trump's deal with Carrier will save only 730 factory jobs in Indianapolis, plus 70 salaried positions - 553 jobs in the plant's fan coil lines are still moving to Monterrey, Mexico.

All 700 workers at Carrier's Huntington plant will also lose their jobs.

"We are happy that Carrier Corp. has decided to retain a portion of the manufacturing jobs that it planned to move from Indianapolis to Mexico beginning in 2017," United Steelworkers, Local Union 1999 said in a letter to members. Union leaders thanked both President-elect Donald Trump and Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., for bringing so much attention to their efforts during and after the 2016 campaign.

So how did the president-elect get to that 1,100 number last week?

"It's the R&D jobs that were already slated to stay," Bray explained.

Trump was including 350 research and development jobs that were never going to move to Mexico in the first place. Those were jobs that Carrier said all along would stay in Indianapolis.

"It appears they may have hyped that number (1,100) a little bit and then once the company and everything settled down we started seeing the real numbers and started getting a little discouraged about how many jobs," Bray said.

I don't think EMS ever addresses Trumps blatant lies (or whether he believes he lies or tells the truth)- kind of weird for someone who seems to rail against dishonesty

The evidence of Republican incompetence is irrefutable. Just look at the record from Bush to the way the Republicans in Congress obstructed and caused so much harm to the economy with their Debt Ceiling fights, the Sequester etc. All things that cost jobs and massive losses. WHY do some Americans keep voting for these clowns and giving them power when they BLOCKED all the positive legislation that could've created JOBS over the last 8 years? I could go on and on about the NEGATIVE impacts of the Republican resistance over the last 8 years. How they Ran Out the Clock during the Obama Presidency with their Do Nothing Policy. Of course now they want to get all this stuff done with Trump as President. SMDH.

nixluva wrote:This is even worse than Bush! I thought Bush was a terrible President because he didn't take Government seriously and staffed important Offices with unqualified people and it lead to horrific results. The fact that some people in this country didn't learn from the example of Bush and AGAIN voted for someone who had no business being in the White House saddens and annoys me. Trump nominating Dr. Ben Carson for HUD is like Bush having Michael Brown in charge of FEMA. If you put Republicans in charge just remember that they don't believe in Government and thus don't respect the need for having the right people in charge.

The evidence of Republican incompetence is irrefutable. Just look at the record from Bush to the way the Republicans in Congress obstructed and caused so much harm to the economy with their Debt Ceiling fights, the Sequester etc. All things that cost jobs and massive losses. WHY do some Americans keep voting for these clowns and giving them power when they BLOCKED all the positive legislation that could've created JOBS over the last 8 years? I could go on and on about the NEGATIVE impacts of the Republican resistance over the last 8 years. How they Ran Out the Clock during the Obama Presidency with their Do Nothing Policy. Of course now they want to get all this stuff done with Trump as President. SMDH.

So Dr Ben Carson--a neurosurgeon who grew up in the inner cities isn't smart enough to help out HUD? You put a brilliant mind in position--let it work before you bash. Make any common sense?

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:This is even worse than Bush! I thought Bush was a terrible President because he didn't take Government seriously and staffed important Offices with unqualified people and it lead to horrific results. The fact that some people in this country didn't learn from the example of Bush and AGAIN voted for someone who had no business being in the White House saddens and annoys me. Trump nominating Dr. Ben Carson for HUD is like Bush having Michael Brown in charge of FEMA. If you put Republicans in charge just remember that they don't believe in Government and thus don't respect the need for having the right people in charge.

The evidence of Republican incompetence is irrefutable. Just look at the record from Bush to the way the Republicans in Congress obstructed and caused so much harm to the economy with their Debt Ceiling fights, the Sequester etc. All things that cost jobs and massive losses. WHY do some Americans keep voting for these clowns and giving them power when they BLOCKED all the positive legislation that could've created JOBS over the last 8 years? I could go on and on about the NEGATIVE impacts of the Republican resistance over the last 8 years. How they Ran Out the Clock during the Obama Presidency with their Do Nothing Policy. Of course now they want to get all this stuff done with Trump as President. SMDH.

So Dr Ben Carson--a neurosurgeon who grew up in the inner cities isn't smart enough to help out HUD? You put a brilliant mind in position--let it work before you bash. Make any common sense?

Why doesnt it bother you that Trump continues to lie constantly? Lied about # of jobs in Carrier deal saved. Lied about cost of new air force 1. I mean he pretty much lies about everything. He "drained the swamp" and filled it with career politicians and Wall Street billionaires. When Barak took over did the GOP "give him a chance?"

Just curious on your thoughts here...