nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:For some perspective, the host Marc Lamont Hill threw out some statistics that put a sobering spin on the conversation: Since 2001, about 2,000 American service men and women have died in Afghanistan; in that same time period, 5,000 people have died in Chicago.

Yet the nation doesn’t appear to even realize how bad thing have gotten in Chicago—at the same time as the murder rate has fallen precipitously in other big cities like New York and Los Angeles. And the numbers continue to go up. As of the end of July, homicides in the city were up about 27 percent and in the first quarter of 2012 the number of murders had jumped 60 percent over 2011.

As Hill pointed out, most of those being killed are young African-American males—who are also most of those doing the killing.

At some point--just like an alcoholic--you need to understand you have a problem that isnt caused by anybody else. These issues are caused by drugs lack of quality human character brought on by violent surroundings and a huge lack of education /life vision. This problem is only getting worse--the bottom line is AA from the inner cities need to change course and take responsibility--stop blaming the police or another race. I really do believe if Trump came in with sweeping immigration reforms concentrated police efforts on gang violence and rebuilding urban infrastructure--there would be a start to a different path. Stop blaming others and start doing what is right. And I fully understand I can sound like a real dck for saying it like this--but just like a friend who is in trouble--I say this in the same light.

Yes you do sound like a dyck!!! You're oversimplifying the situation. Who is it that forced the African Americans into the living conditions they're living in Chicago? Decades of Redlinig so that Black people were packed into Ghettoes with bad schools and no jobs. The guns, drugs and gangs are the symptoms and not the cause of the problem. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?

Trump ain't gonna do ISH if he became President. It's naive to think he seriously would direct resources into these areas! He's never done anything in his entire life that would suggest Trump gives two flips about Black People!!!

I'm so tired of people accusing oppressed AA's of being to blame. Redlinig was done TOO THEM! Last hired/first fired is a reality forced on Black People. Predatory lending was done TOO THEM! This leads to a lower Tax Base and Rundown schools!!! This is what leads to drugs, guns and crime! They didn't create these circumstances! Black people fled the Jim Crow South to look for a better life and they got the shaft in the North too. They faced racism and riots because they were considered a threat to white workers. Please learn your history before you comment like this.

Read this and learn something about Redlining:

http://beltmag.com/the-legacy-of-redlining-in-rust-belt-cities/

nixluva--what the past is is the past---The problem is now and the future. Thats what needs to be helped. Crying about the past doesnt do anything

Here's a nice project for you. Why don't you do some research and find a time period in the U.S. where Blacks did as well as Whites in this country. When their schools were equal. When their treatment by law enforcement was equal. When their employment was equal. If you do find something how long did that last? What's it like to be Black today? What do the statistics say?

I agree that we need to be concerned about the present and the future. But "crying about the past" is very much necessary. If everyone in your family was wronged for 258 years like mine and your 94 yr old Grandmother and 70 yr old Father were still alive, how do you think you would feel about forgetting the past? Ask a Jewish family if they should just forget the past. See if they aren't vigilant in trying to make sure they aren't harmed again in any way.

Trump and the Republican Party have nothing to offer minorities in this country. They don't even know how to talk to them without insulting them. That's why the majority of minorities vote Democratic. Your belief that Trump would have the answers is hard to back up with anything concrete. It's all talk.

I disagree with Nix a lot but have to agree on this.
Nations who do not remember their past have no future.
And nations who not learned from their past have no life.
But to move forward people need also learn on other cultures past.
To replicate success and avoid failures.
Jews learned that violence, crime, and aggression ruined the greatest nations of the world.
But education, science, arts, family, piece, and compassion help civilization make greatest strides forward.
The battle for African American people future will not be won on the streets and government offices.
It can be won only in the harts and minds of black people.
You should forgive but not forget.
You should give and not take.
You should help but not ask for help.
Then you will regain the proud which makes ALL of us human and make All lives matter.

I have to say that it annoys me that there is this assumption that African Americans haven't ALWAYS been working to better their circumstances in this country. IF YOU KNEW THE FULL STORY then you would not speak in the way that you have. Please go and learn about what African Americans have been doing the entire history of this country to work to make this country live up to the high ideals of it's Constitution.

More than any other people it's been the constant fight of African Americans for equal rights and fair treatment that have helped this country to escape it's hypocritical posture as a country. What did we get for all of the mostly PEACEFUL protest and Pleadings for equal justice and existence in this country? For the most part what we got was violence and lower class status.

From 1619 thru to 1965 the laws and actions in this country were at odds with the ideals of the Constitution. Even after 1965 how long did it take for the treatment of African Americans to more fully take hold? Did it EVER reach equality??? I was born in 1965 and I can tell you that there has been no time in this country where things have been just and equal in this country. Not for Native Americans, Hispanics or African Americans. Because we are visibly easy to identify and as minorities, easy to ignore and mistreat. It's not about AA's not working hard and trying to improve their circumstances!!!

Just as an example of what happened to AA efforts to succeed in this country, please go to this website and read what kind of things happened in this country to set AA's back every time they started to finally succeed. This is just one of many such tragedies. Look at the pictures and the video and perhaps you can imagine what it's been like here for AA's in this country trying to do what everyone else wants to do in bettering themselves.

http://sfbayview.com/2011/02/what-happened-to-black-wall-street-on-june-1-1921/

This is great and this how it should be done again and again.
Moses was roaming Jews through the desert until all who were born in slavery dies including him.
No Jew who was born slave should have reach the Promised Land.
It took 2 thousand years to get back second time around...
Patience people... your journey is just started.

WHAT???

Exactly what I typed.
History man does not include only US and AA people... but many other people.
The development of the nations is slow process.
US is very young country and very young nation.
It will settle down in 200-300 years.
For now it is still a big disconnected mess.

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:For some perspective, the host Marc Lamont Hill threw out some statistics that put a sobering spin on the conversation: Since 2001, about 2,000 American service men and women have died in Afghanistan; in that same time period, 5,000 people have died in Chicago.

Yet the nation doesn’t appear to even realize how bad thing have gotten in Chicago—at the same time as the murder rate has fallen precipitously in other big cities like New York and Los Angeles. And the numbers continue to go up. As of the end of July, homicides in the city were up about 27 percent and in the first quarter of 2012 the number of murders had jumped 60 percent over 2011.

As Hill pointed out, most of those being killed are young African-American males—who are also most of those doing the killing.

At some point--just like an alcoholic--you need to understand you have a problem that isnt caused by anybody else. These issues are caused by drugs lack of quality human character brought on by violent surroundings and a huge lack of education /life vision. This problem is only getting worse--the bottom line is AA from the inner cities need to change course and take responsibility--stop blaming the police or another race. I really do believe if Trump came in with sweeping immigration reforms concentrated police efforts on gang violence and rebuilding urban infrastructure--there would be a start to a different path. Stop blaming others and start doing what is right. And I fully understand I can sound like a real dck for saying it like this--but just like a friend who is in trouble--I say this in the same light.

Yes you do sound like a dyck!!! You're oversimplifying the situation. Who is it that forced the African Americans into the living conditions they're living in Chicago? Decades of Redlinig so that Black people were packed into Ghettoes with bad schools and no jobs. The guns, drugs and gangs are the symptoms and not the cause of the problem. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?

Trump ain't gonna do ISH if he became President. It's naive to think he seriously would direct resources into these areas! He's never done anything in his entire life that would suggest Trump gives two flips about Black People!!!

I'm so tired of people accusing oppressed AA's of being to blame. Redlinig was done TOO THEM! Last hired/first fired is a reality forced on Black People. Predatory lending was done TOO THEM! This leads to a lower Tax Base and Rundown schools!!! This is what leads to drugs, guns and crime! They didn't create these circumstances! Black people fled the Jim Crow South to look for a better life and they got the shaft in the North too. They faced racism and riots because they were considered a threat to white workers. Please learn your history before you comment like this.

Read this and learn something about Redlining:

http://beltmag.com/the-legacy-of-redlining-in-rust-belt-cities/

nixluva--what the past is is the past---The problem is now and the future. Thats what needs to be helped. Crying about the past doesnt do anything

Here's a nice project for you. Why don't you do some research and find a time period in the U.S. where Blacks did as well as Whites in this country. When their schools were equal. When their treatment by law enforcement was equal. When their employment was equal. If you do find something how long did that last? What's it like to be Black today? What do the statistics say?

I agree that we need to be concerned about the present and the future. But "crying about the past" is very much necessary. If everyone in your family was wronged for 258 years like mine and your 94 yr old Grandmother and 70 yr old Father were still alive, how do you think you would feel about forgetting the past? Ask a Jewish family if they should just forget the past. See if they aren't vigilant in trying to make sure they aren't harmed again in any way.

Trump and the Republican Party have nothing to offer minorities in this country. They don't even know how to talk to them without insulting them. That's why the majority of minorities vote Democratic. Your belief that Trump would have the answers is hard to back up with anything concrete. It's all talk.

I disagree with Nix a lot but have to agree on this.
Nations who do not remember their past have no future.
And nations who not learned from their past have no life.
But to move forward people need also learn on other cultures past.
To replicate success and avoid failures.
Jews learned that violence, crime, and aggression ruined the greatest nations of the world.
But education, science, arts, family, piece, and compassion help civilization make greatest strides forward.
The battle for African American people future will not be won on the streets and government offices.
It can be won only in the harts and minds of black people.
You should forgive but not forget.
You should give and not take.
You should help but not ask for help.
Then you will regain the proud which makes ALL of us human and make All lives matter.

I have to say that it annoys me that there is this assumption that African Americans haven't ALWAYS been working to better their circumstances in this country. IF YOU KNEW THE FULL STORY then you would not speak in the way that you have. Please go and learn about what African Americans have been doing the entire history of this country to work to make this country live up to the high ideals of it's Constitution.

More than any other people it's been the constant fight of African Americans for equal rights and fair treatment that have helped this country to escape it's hypocritical posture as a country. What did we get for all of the mostly PEACEFUL protest and Pleadings for equal justice and existence in this country? For the most part what we got was violence and lower class status.

From 1619 thru to 1965 the laws and actions in this country were at odds with the ideals of the Constitution. Even after 1965 how long did it take for the treatment of African Americans to more fully take hold? Did it EVER reach equality??? I was born in 1965 and I can tell you that there has been no time in this country where things have been just and equal in this country. Not for Native Americans, Hispanics or African Americans. Because we are visibly easy to identify and as minorities, easy to ignore and mistreat. It's not about AA's not working hard and trying to improve their circumstances!!!

Just as an example of what happened to AA efforts to succeed in this country, please go to this website and read what kind of things happened in this country to set AA's back every time they started to finally succeed. This is just one of many such tragedies. Look at the pictures and the video and perhaps you can imagine what it's been like here for AA's in this country trying to do what everyone else wants to do in bettering themselves.

http://sfbayview.com/2011/02/what-happened-to-black-wall-street-on-june-1-1921/

This is great and this how it should be done again and again.
Moses was roaming Jews through the desert until all who were born in slavery dies including him.
No Jew who was born slave should have reach the Promised Land.
It took 2 thousand years to get back second time around...
Patience people... your journey is just started.

WHAT???

Exactly what I typed.
History man does not include only US and AA people... but many other people.
The development of the nations is slow process.
US is very young country and very young nation.
It will settle down in 200-300 years.
For now it is still a big disconnected mess.

You're just making it worse! WTF are you talking about? This crap you're spewing is unbelievable. Are you trying to excuse the wrongdoing of the people in this country because the country is relatively young?

Ok for one thing most of the Europeans who came here were escaping persecution and mistreatment and should've been sensitive to the idea of doing that to others. The founding documents spoke of All men being created equal.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

So don't give me this ISH about it being a young country. African Americans have only wanted what everyone else wants but have been denied for so long. Many of my ancestors are buried in this ground never knowing freedom. This is not a joke to me.

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:For some perspective, the host Marc Lamont Hill threw out some statistics that put a sobering spin on the conversation: Since 2001, about 2,000 American service men and women have died in Afghanistan; in that same time period, 5,000 people have died in Chicago.

Yet the nation doesn’t appear to even realize how bad thing have gotten in Chicago—at the same time as the murder rate has fallen precipitously in other big cities like New York and Los Angeles. And the numbers continue to go up. As of the end of July, homicides in the city were up about 27 percent and in the first quarter of 2012 the number of murders had jumped 60 percent over 2011.

As Hill pointed out, most of those being killed are young African-American males—who are also most of those doing the killing.

At some point--just like an alcoholic--you need to understand you have a problem that isnt caused by anybody else. These issues are caused by drugs lack of quality human character brought on by violent surroundings and a huge lack of education /life vision. This problem is only getting worse--the bottom line is AA from the inner cities need to change course and take responsibility--stop blaming the police or another race. I really do believe if Trump came in with sweeping immigration reforms concentrated police efforts on gang violence and rebuilding urban infrastructure--there would be a start to a different path. Stop blaming others and start doing what is right. And I fully understand I can sound like a real dck for saying it like this--but just like a friend who is in trouble--I say this in the same light.

Yes you do sound like a dyck!!! You're oversimplifying the situation. Who is it that forced the African Americans into the living conditions they're living in Chicago? Decades of Redlinig so that Black people were packed into Ghettoes with bad schools and no jobs. The guns, drugs and gangs are the symptoms and not the cause of the problem. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?

Trump ain't gonna do ISH if he became President. It's naive to think he seriously would direct resources into these areas! He's never done anything in his entire life that would suggest Trump gives two flips about Black People!!!

I'm so tired of people accusing oppressed AA's of being to blame. Redlinig was done TOO THEM! Last hired/first fired is a reality forced on Black People. Predatory lending was done TOO THEM! This leads to a lower Tax Base and Rundown schools!!! This is what leads to drugs, guns and crime! They didn't create these circumstances! Black people fled the Jim Crow South to look for a better life and they got the shaft in the North too. They faced racism and riots because they were considered a threat to white workers. Please learn your history before you comment like this.

Read this and learn something about Redlining:

http://beltmag.com/the-legacy-of-redlining-in-rust-belt-cities/

nixluva--what the past is is the past---The problem is now and the future. Thats what needs to be helped. Crying about the past doesnt do anything

Here's a nice project for you. Why don't you do some research and find a time period in the U.S. where Blacks did as well as Whites in this country. When their schools were equal. When their treatment by law enforcement was equal. When their employment was equal. If you do find something how long did that last? What's it like to be Black today? What do the statistics say?

I agree that we need to be concerned about the present and the future. But "crying about the past" is very much necessary. If everyone in your family was wronged for 258 years like mine and your 94 yr old Grandmother and 70 yr old Father were still alive, how do you think you would feel about forgetting the past? Ask a Jewish family if they should just forget the past. See if they aren't vigilant in trying to make sure they aren't harmed again in any way.

Trump and the Republican Party have nothing to offer minorities in this country. They don't even know how to talk to them without insulting them. That's why the majority of minorities vote Democratic. Your belief that Trump would have the answers is hard to back up with anything concrete. It's all talk.

I disagree with Nix a lot but have to agree on this.
Nations who do not remember their past have no future.
And nations who not learned from their past have no life.
But to move forward people need also learn on other cultures past.
To replicate success and avoid failures.
Jews learned that violence, crime, and aggression ruined the greatest nations of the world.
But education, science, arts, family, piece, and compassion help civilization make greatest strides forward.
The battle for African American people future will not be won on the streets and government offices.
It can be won only in the harts and minds of black people.
You should forgive but not forget.
You should give and not take.
You should help but not ask for help.
Then you will regain the proud which makes ALL of us human and make All lives matter.

I have to say that it annoys me that there is this assumption that African Americans haven't ALWAYS been working to better their circumstances in this country. IF YOU KNEW THE FULL STORY then you would not speak in the way that you have. Please go and learn about what African Americans have been doing the entire history of this country to work to make this country live up to the high ideals of it's Constitution.

More than any other people it's been the constant fight of African Americans for equal rights and fair treatment that have helped this country to escape it's hypocritical posture as a country. What did we get for all of the mostly PEACEFUL protest and Pleadings for equal justice and existence in this country? For the most part what we got was violence and lower class status.

From 1619 thru to 1965 the laws and actions in this country were at odds with the ideals of the Constitution. Even after 1965 how long did it take for the treatment of African Americans to more fully take hold? Did it EVER reach equality??? I was born in 1965 and I can tell you that there has been no time in this country where things have been just and equal in this country. Not for Native Americans, Hispanics or African Americans. Because we are visibly easy to identify and as minorities, easy to ignore and mistreat. It's not about AA's not working hard and trying to improve their circumstances!!!

Just as an example of what happened to AA efforts to succeed in this country, please go to this website and read what kind of things happened in this country to set AA's back every time they started to finally succeed. This is just one of many such tragedies. Look at the pictures and the video and perhaps you can imagine what it's been like here for AA's in this country trying to do what everyone else wants to do in bettering themselves.

http://sfbayview.com/2011/02/what-happened-to-black-wall-street-on-june-1-1921/

This is great and this how it should be done again and again.
Moses was roaming Jews through the desert until all who were born in slavery dies including him.
No Jew who was born slave should have reach the Promised Land.
It took 2 thousand years to get back second time around...
Patience people... your journey is just started.

WHAT???

Exactly what I typed.
History man does not include only US and AA people... but many other people.
The development of the nations is slow process.
US is very young country and very young nation.
It will settle down in 200-300 years.
For now it is still a big disconnected mess.

You're just making it worse! WTF are you talking about? This crap you're spewing is unbelievable. Are you trying to excuse the wrongdoing of the people in this country because the country is relatively young?

Ok for one thing most of the Europeans who came here were escaping persecution and mistreatment and should've been sensitive to the idea of doing that to others. The founding documents spoke of All men being created equal.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

So don't give me this ISH about it being a young country. African Americans have only wanted what everyone else wants but have been denied for so long. Many of my ancestors are buried in this ground never knowing freedom. This is not a joke to me.

You provide no solution just looking for explanations of why things are so sad for AA people.
And you accepting no other opinions but once you believe in.
I have some other explanations and some other opinions and will stand for them.
I do not know what the solutions are and believe that things are going normally and similarly to how they went in the past and are going now in other places of the world.
Billions of people are leaving in much worth conditions that AA people in US including almost all AA people native African continent.
The integration of more primitive cultures in mainstream civilization is always a painful process. It takes tens of generations and hundreds of years.
But it is inevitable and we see this slowly settling down one way or another.
We deferentially saw a huge setbacks also and fall of Arabic Muslim culture back into tribal era society from middle age Golden Era is another fresh reminder.
Some civilization never survived the invasion of more primitive tribes like Rom Empire. Etc..
So Nix - what are you proposals for making things around struggling AA better faster to see some improvements in our lifetimes?

TPercy wrote:No Johnson voters out here?
Im surprised considering you have the choice between a criminal and an Alt-Righter and nobody looks third party?

To the protest voters...

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:No Johnson voters out here?
Im surprised considering you have the choice between a criminal and an Alt-Righter and nobody looks third party?

All you third party candidate fans who like to vote against candidates who have too much information on the current institutional candidate...The hand picked one..
To the protest voters...



This man has 7% of the votes thus far...Romney tweeted that Johnson should be on the debate stage as well..

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:For some perspective, the host Marc Lamont Hill threw out some statistics that put a sobering spin on the conversation: Since 2001, about 2,000 American service men and women have died in Afghanistan; in that same time period, 5,000 people have died in Chicago.

Yet the nation doesn’t appear to even realize how bad thing have gotten in Chicago—at the same time as the murder rate has fallen precipitously in other big cities like New York and Los Angeles. And the numbers continue to go up. As of the end of July, homicides in the city were up about 27 percent and in the first quarter of 2012 the number of murders had jumped 60 percent over 2011.

As Hill pointed out, most of those being killed are young African-American males—who are also most of those doing the killing.

At some point--just like an alcoholic--you need to understand you have a problem that isnt caused by anybody else. These issues are caused by drugs lack of quality human character brought on by violent surroundings and a huge lack of education /life vision. This problem is only getting worse--the bottom line is AA from the inner cities need to change course and take responsibility--stop blaming the police or another race. I really do believe if Trump came in with sweeping immigration reforms concentrated police efforts on gang violence and rebuilding urban infrastructure--there would be a start to a different path. Stop blaming others and start doing what is right. And I fully understand I can sound like a real dck for saying it like this--but just like a friend who is in trouble--I say this in the same light.

Yes you do sound like a dyck!!! You're oversimplifying the situation. Who is it that forced the African Americans into the living conditions they're living in Chicago? Decades of Redlinig so that Black people were packed into Ghettoes with bad schools and no jobs. The guns, drugs and gangs are the symptoms and not the cause of the problem. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?

Trump ain't gonna do ISH if he became President. It's naive to think he seriously would direct resources into these areas! He's never done anything in his entire life that would suggest Trump gives two flips about Black People!!!

I'm so tired of people accusing oppressed AA's of being to blame. Redlinig was done TOO THEM! Last hired/first fired is a reality forced on Black People. Predatory lending was done TOO THEM! This leads to a lower Tax Base and Rundown schools!!! This is what leads to drugs, guns and crime! They didn't create these circumstances! Black people fled the Jim Crow South to look for a better life and they got the shaft in the North too. They faced racism and riots because they were considered a threat to white workers. Please learn your history before you comment like this.

Read this and learn something about Redlining:

http://beltmag.com/the-legacy-of-redlining-in-rust-belt-cities/

nixluva--what the past is is the past---The problem is now and the future. Thats what needs to be helped. Crying about the past doesnt do anything

Here's a nice project for you. Why don't you do some research and find a time period in the U.S. where Blacks did as well as Whites in this country. When their schools were equal. When their treatment by law enforcement was equal. When their employment was equal. If you do find something how long did that last? What's it like to be Black today? What do the statistics say?

I agree that we need to be concerned about the present and the future. But "crying about the past" is very much necessary. If everyone in your family was wronged for 258 years like mine and your 94 yr old Grandmother and 70 yr old Father were still alive, how do you think you would feel about forgetting the past? Ask a Jewish family if they should just forget the past. See if they aren't vigilant in trying to make sure they aren't harmed again in any way.

Trump and the Republican Party have nothing to offer minorities in this country. They don't even know how to talk to them without insulting them. That's why the majority of minorities vote Democratic. Your belief that Trump would have the answers is hard to back up with anything concrete. It's all talk.

I disagree with Nix a lot but have to agree on this.
Nations who do not remember their past have no future.
And nations who not learned from their past have no life.
But to move forward people need also learn on other cultures past.
To replicate success and avoid failures.
Jews learned that violence, crime, and aggression ruined the greatest nations of the world.
But education, science, arts, family, piece, and compassion help civilization make greatest strides forward.
The battle for African American people future will not be won on the streets and government offices.
It can be won only in the harts and minds of black people.
You should forgive but not forget.
You should give and not take.
You should help but not ask for help.
Then you will regain the proud which makes ALL of us human and make All lives matter.

I have to say that it annoys me that there is this assumption that African Americans haven't ALWAYS been working to better their circumstances in this country. IF YOU KNEW THE FULL STORY then you would not speak in the way that you have. Please go and learn about what African Americans have been doing the entire history of this country to work to make this country live up to the high ideals of it's Constitution.

More than any other people it's been the constant fight of African Americans for equal rights and fair treatment that have helped this country to escape it's hypocritical posture as a country. What did we get for all of the mostly PEACEFUL protest and Pleadings for equal justice and existence in this country? For the most part what we got was violence and lower class status.

From 1619 thru to 1965 the laws and actions in this country were at odds with the ideals of the Constitution. Even after 1965 how long did it take for the treatment of African Americans to more fully take hold? Did it EVER reach equality??? I was born in 1965 and I can tell you that there has been no time in this country where things have been just and equal in this country. Not for Native Americans, Hispanics or African Americans. Because we are visibly easy to identify and as minorities, easy to ignore and mistreat. It's not about AA's not working hard and trying to improve their circumstances!!!

Just as an example of what happened to AA efforts to succeed in this country, please go to this website and read what kind of things happened in this country to set AA's back every time they started to finally succeed. This is just one of many such tragedies. Look at the pictures and the video and perhaps you can imagine what it's been like here for AA's in this country trying to do what everyone else wants to do in bettering themselves.

http://sfbayview.com/2011/02/what-happened-to-black-wall-street-on-june-1-1921/

This is great and this how it should be done again and again.
Moses was roaming Jews through the desert until all who were born in slavery dies including him.
No Jew who was born slave should have reach the Promised Land.
It took 2 thousand years to get back second time around...
Patience people... your journey is just started.

WHAT???

Exactly what I typed.
History man does not include only US and AA people... but many other people.
The development of the nations is slow process.
US is very young country and very young nation.
It will settle down in 200-300 years.
For now it is still a big disconnected mess.

You're just making it worse! WTF are you talking about? This crap you're spewing is unbelievable. Are you trying to excuse the wrongdoing of the people in this country because the country is relatively young?

Ok for one thing most of the Europeans who came here were escaping persecution and mistreatment and should've been sensitive to the idea of doing that to others. The founding documents spoke of All men being created equal.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

So don't give me this ISH about it being a young country. African Americans have only wanted what everyone else wants but have been denied for so long. Many of my ancestors are buried in this ground never knowing freedom. This is not a joke to me.

You provide no solution just looking for explanations of why things are so sad for AA people.
And you accepting no other opinions but once you believe in.
I have some other explanations and some other opinions and will stand for them.
I do not know what the solutions are and believe that things are going normally and similarly to how they went in the past and are going now in other places of the world.
Billions of people are leaving in much worth conditions that AA people in US including almost all AA people native African continent.
The integration of more primitive cultures in mainstream civilization is always a painful process. It takes tens of generations and hundreds of years.
But it is inevitable and we see this slowly settling down one way or another.
We deferentially saw a huge setbacks also and fall of Arabic Muslim culture back into tribal era society from middle age Golden Era is another fresh reminder.
Some civilization never survived the invasion of more primitive tribes like Rom Empire. Etc..
So Nix - what are you proposals for making things around struggling AA better faster to see some improvements in our lifetimes?

Ya know I've never had a conversation like this in my entire life. The thoughts you've expressed are hard to believe a modern adult could seriously express.

The SOLUTION is JUSTICE and FAIRNESS. What you seem not to understand is that AA's were not allowed to learn how to read or write and were kept in a state of squalor. After slavery AA's immediately made progress but at every turn they were attacked and held back. They were robbed of their wealth and segregated. This has only very recently started to change in our lifetimes. However the attacks have continued in more sophisticated and less crude ways.

As I've stated in multiple ways, the state of AA's in this country is an artificially created situation. There was an effort to oppress AA's in order to maintain White Supremecy. This was done to keep AA's on the farms and in a subservient condition! You in essence are blaming the victims of these tactics as if AA's never tried or wanted to improve their circumstances. This is simply NOT TRUE!!! In fact this is a racist lie as old as this country. The purpose of this lie is to make White Supremecy acceptable. Don't put yourself in the position of supporting this lie.

African Americans should not have to wait as you suggest. We've had to wait for equal justice and fairness long enough. You may not know the solutions as you say but I can tell you things are NOT going as they should. Further more African Americans are not a PRIMITIVE CULTURE that has to be integrated!!!

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TPercy wrote:No Johnson voters out here?
Im surprised considering you have the choice between a criminal and an Alt-Righter and nobody looks third party?

All you third party candidate fans who like to vote against candidates who have too much information on the current institutional candidate...The hand picked one..
To the protest voters...



This man has 7% of the votes thus far...Romney tweeted that Johnson should be on the debate stage as well..

I agree... not a fan of his gun policy but he really gets it IMO. Very small gov, but liberal socially. Dumping the fed would be the first step to actually making America great again... last guy who tried that was shot btw (JFK)

He really gets it???..Look at the video..

I just heard this clip. "What is Aleppo?" Yikes. There's another story about him meeting in the Harriet Tubman Room and he asks "Who is Harriet Tubman?"

Well at least he's not afraid to admit when he doesn't know something? LOL

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DrAlphaeus wrote:Johnson's response to this gaffe:

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https://twitter.com/CNNJason/status/773886905830215680

I'm somewhat sympathetic: I do think it is a sign of character to plainly admit when you don't know something instead of tap dancing. You can't keep the details of every single issue in your head, and sometimes you just blank on something — especially when you are smoking that premium stuff! But this and the Harriet Tubman thing unfortunately reinforce his image as a pot-smoking isolationist and the Libertarian Party's image as out of touch with voters who aren't white men.

I'd still vote for Johnson way before I'd vote for Trump though.

In other third party news, Jill Stein has an arrest warrant out for her for spray painting dozers at the Dakota Access Pipeline protest:

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https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/773645480030969856

She was also arrested in 2012 when she and her running mate tried to gain access to the debate at Hofstra, and two other times in '12: at a housing foreclosure sit-in and a Keystone XL pipeline protest.

Perhaps but I'm a little skeptical of this acronym explanation. It could be true but it sounds like a BS excuse his advisers thought of.

DrAlphaeus wrote:You folks that watched the forum last night: how do you think Hillary did? Heard that 1/3rd of her time was spent on the email controversy. To BRIGGS original "where is Hillary" post — maybe if she wasn't hiding from press conferences, she wouldn't constantly have to address this now. Unforced errors, man.

I watched some recap videos from my usual lefty YouTube sources — looks like Matt Lauer is getting called out for not being very journalistic with lack of follow ups to low hanging fruit. Hopefully gets future moderators to up their game.

Hillary may be flawed but at least she actually knows what she's talking about and you know she can do the job. We know she can negotiate with foreign leaders and understand the very serious issues. Her depth of knowledge is vast compared to Trump. Trump was cracking under the pressure last night and putting out word salads. When he did have a clear thought it was often frighteningly wrong.