arkrud wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

arkrud wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

arkrud wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

arkrud wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:That's because he is reactive and not proactive. At least he finally attempted to unite us with his last briefing instead of further dividing us. He has a tendency to flame fires without having all the facts. He manages to inject the same rhetoric every time which further divides us. No matter what the issue it is guns are always to blame and he refuses to acknowledge the world has a serious problem with radical terrorism. A whole lotta nothin until the next disaster he has to get back up there and address.

Wow.

There have been over 100,000 deaths by gun in this country since 20 children were executed by an assault rifle near my home town in Sandy Hook, CT in December 2012, less than four years ago. You could fill the largest stadium in the world with the dead Americans from gun violence in that time span.

How many deaths by radical terrorism?

An actual divisive force in this country is the NRA and gun manufacturers which profit off the deaths of American citizens and pays Congress to keep it that way.

You think we would need militarized police forces if it wasn't legal to buy AR-15 assault rifles and unlimited ammo? The police are scared, rightly so, they can be outgunned in many situations. But they're overreacting and shooting first far too often.

How exactly is Obama dividing people? Show me a quote of words he actually said.

You know what divides people? The racist rhetoric spewed by FOX news blaming Obama for problems that the GOP and Fox head Roger Ailes have a direct hand in perpetuating. FOX News is a disgusting blight on this country and their racist, toxic lies about Obama and basically anything else they can profit off lying about are ****ing disgusting.

How many of those 100,000 deaths were from registered guns vs illegal guns?

82% of guns in mass shootings are obtained legally. Thanks, NRA!

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/most-guns-mass-shootings-obtained-legally

I tried looking for the info on all gun shootings, but I couldn't find any site that wasn't a NRA funded bull**** think tank. Hard to find the actual stats. The NRA wants it that way.

Obama - "I can put someone on the no fly list but I cant keep them from buying an automatic weapon."

But yea... lets blame the president.

Politicians are a disgrace in this country. Nothing but blame and no action. Guys like McCain saying things like "Obama is culpable for Orlando shooting by letting ISIS grow in the US"

Can we also blame Bush for every death in Iraq after taking us to war over weapons of mass destruction a straight up lie?

We absolutely have to blame Bush and his terrible presidency.
Mindless aggressive polices by Bush administration replaced by mindless passive by Obama administration.
Both parties are political bankrupts.
No leaders to look up to. And this presidents election even a bigger joke.
Selecting form bitch and clown... mockery.

You have to realize that Obama did do plenty. And at every single turn he was blocked by the GOP Congress. The GOP Congress who has voted down any gun reform law in this country. The GOP doesn't even want to perform terrorist background checks on people who buy automatic weapons. Why don't they want to? Because they are paid to vote that way by the gun lobby, made up of the NRA and gun manufacturers. Similar to the oil lobby who have paid the GOP to call coal a "a clean fuel".

The GOP is a mockery. Trump is the perfect clown candidate to represent them. But the real danger they pose is at the Congress level, where their obstructionist voting stops any real change from happening in this country. Again, the only reason they do this is to get rich from lobbyists. There are dirty politicians on the Democratic side, too, but nowhere near as bad. Just check the voting records in the Senate. It's an embarrassment. It's worse than an embarrassment, it should be called what it is - criminal negligence.

Plenty... meaning what specifically?
His job is to unite people and political parties around common goals to make good for the whole country.
The gun issues must be depoliticized.
If politics cannot come together on this it should be put on national referendum.
Absolute majority of US citizens will support background checks and mental checks requirements for gun ownership.
And it should be yearly re-qualification process to keep gun licenses valid.
It will require a lot of financing to implement and maintain but it worth it as it will save thousands of lives.
I want to see a comprehensive non-partisan plan on this from president and drive from him to put all population behind the plan to push it through the legislation.

So Obama's job is to make the GOP not an embarrassment to the country? Why doesn't the GOP pick itself up by its bootstraps?

You cannot get blood from the stone.
Who cares if GOP or DEMs are an embarrassment? All politicians are.
President should step above this snake-nest and put public behind him.
Instead we see only politically correct bulsht.

The GOP are the ones voting down Obama's attempts to change gun laws. How can he "step above" it when it is their repeated vote - specifically the GOP - that is continuing the epidemic of gun violence in this country?

This is the guy whose side you're on in this argument, by the way. Say hi to Mitch McConnell. He agrees with everything you're saying and wants to give you a high five for taking it to Obama. Good job.

If I am not Obama fan it does not mean I am a fan of his opponents.
All of them are jokers to me.
I stated specifically what is my plan and it has nothing to do with what Mitch McConnell wants:

1. The gun issues must be depoliticized.
2. If politics cannot come together on this it should be put on national referendum.
3. Absolute majority of US citizens will support background checks and mental checks requirements for gun ownership.
4. And it should be yearly re-qualification process to keep gun licenses valid.
5. It will require a lot of financing to implement and maintain but it worth it as it will save thousands of lives.
5. I want to see a comprehensive non-partisan plan on this from president and drive from him to put all population behind the plan to push it through the legislation.

Mitch McConnell is the leader of the movement to politicize any gun issue. Obama is trying to depoliticize them, comparing them to the necessity of traffic safety measures like seat belts. Have you listened to Obama speak on the issue? He's trying to depoliticize it.

arkrud wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

arkrud wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

arkrud wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:That's because he is reactive and not proactive. At least he finally attempted to unite us with his last briefing instead of further dividing us. He has a tendency to flame fires without having all the facts. He manages to inject the same rhetoric every time which further divides us. No matter what the issue it is guns are always to blame and he refuses to acknowledge the world has a serious problem with radical terrorism. A whole lotta nothin until the next disaster he has to get back up there and address.

Wow.

There have been over 100,000 deaths by gun in this country since 20 children were executed by an assault rifle near my home town in Sandy Hook, CT in December 2012, less than four years ago. You could fill the largest stadium in the world with the dead Americans from gun violence in that time span.

How many deaths by radical terrorism?

An actual divisive force in this country is the NRA and gun manufacturers which profit off the deaths of American citizens and pays Congress to keep it that way.

You think we would need militarized police forces if it wasn't legal to buy AR-15 assault rifles and unlimited ammo? The police are scared, rightly so, they can be outgunned in many situations. But they're overreacting and shooting first far too often.

How exactly is Obama dividing people? Show me a quote of words he actually said.

You know what divides people? The racist rhetoric spewed by FOX news blaming Obama for problems that the GOP and Fox head Roger Ailes have a direct hand in perpetuating. FOX News is a disgusting blight on this country and their racist, toxic lies about Obama and basically anything else they can profit off lying about are ****ing disgusting.

How many of those 100,000 deaths were from registered guns vs illegal guns?

82% of guns in mass shootings are obtained legally. Thanks, NRA!

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/most-guns-mass-shootings-obtained-legally

I tried looking for the info on all gun shootings, but I couldn't find any site that wasn't a NRA funded bull**** think tank. Hard to find the actual stats. The NRA wants it that way.

Obama - "I can put someone on the no fly list but I cant keep them from buying an automatic weapon."

But yea... lets blame the president.

Politicians are a disgrace in this country. Nothing but blame and no action. Guys like McCain saying things like "Obama is culpable for Orlando shooting by letting ISIS grow in the US"

Can we also blame Bush for every death in Iraq after taking us to war over weapons of mass destruction a straight up lie?

We absolutely have to blame Bush and his terrible presidency.
Mindless aggressive polices by Bush administration replaced by mindless passive by Obama administration.
Both parties are political bankrupts.
No leaders to look up to. And this presidents election even a bigger joke.
Selecting form bitch and clown... mockery.

You have to realize that Obama did do plenty. And at every single turn he was blocked by the GOP Congress. The GOP Congress who has voted down any gun reform law in this country. The GOP doesn't even want to perform terrorist background checks on people who buy automatic weapons. Why don't they want to? Because they are paid to vote that way by the gun lobby, made up of the NRA and gun manufacturers. Similar to the oil lobby who have paid the GOP to call coal a "a clean fuel".

The GOP is a mockery. Trump is the perfect clown candidate to represent them. But the real danger they pose is at the Congress level, where their obstructionist voting stops any real change from happening in this country. Again, the only reason they do this is to get rich from lobbyists. There are dirty politicians on the Democratic side, too, but nowhere near as bad. Just check the voting records in the Senate. It's an embarrassment. It's worse than an embarrassment, it should be called what it is - criminal negligence.

Plenty... meaning what specifically?
His job is to unite people and political parties around common goals to make good for the whole country.
The gun issues must be depoliticized.
If politics cannot come together on this it should be put on national referendum.
Absolute majority of US citizens will support background checks and mental checks requirements for gun ownership.
And it should be yearly re-qualification process to keep gun licenses valid.
It will require a lot of financing to implement and maintain but it worth it as it will save thousands of lives.
I want to see a comprehensive non-partisan plan on this from president and drive from him to put all population behind the plan to push it through the legislation.

So Obama's job is to make the GOP not an embarrassment to the country? Why doesn't the GOP pick itself up by its bootstraps?

You cannot get blood from the stone.
Who cares if GOP or DEMs are an embarrassment? All politicians are.
President should step above this snake-nest and put public behind him.
Instead we see only politically correct bulsht.

These types of over-generalizations and not reality based situations don't help your message or argument at all

crzymdups wrote:

arkrud wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

arkrud wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

arkrud wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

arkrud wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:That's because he is reactive and not proactive. At least he finally attempted to unite us with his last briefing instead of further dividing us. He has a tendency to flame fires without having all the facts. He manages to inject the same rhetoric every time which further divides us. No matter what the issue it is guns are always to blame and he refuses to acknowledge the world has a serious problem with radical terrorism. A whole lotta nothin until the next disaster he has to get back up there and address.

Wow.

There have been over 100,000 deaths by gun in this country since 20 children were executed by an assault rifle near my home town in Sandy Hook, CT in December 2012, less than four years ago. You could fill the largest stadium in the world with the dead Americans from gun violence in that time span.

How many deaths by radical terrorism?

An actual divisive force in this country is the NRA and gun manufacturers which profit off the deaths of American citizens and pays Congress to keep it that way.

You think we would need militarized police forces if it wasn't legal to buy AR-15 assault rifles and unlimited ammo? The police are scared, rightly so, they can be outgunned in many situations. But they're overreacting and shooting first far too often.

How exactly is Obama dividing people? Show me a quote of words he actually said.

You know what divides people? The racist rhetoric spewed by FOX news blaming Obama for problems that the GOP and Fox head Roger Ailes have a direct hand in perpetuating. FOX News is a disgusting blight on this country and their racist, toxic lies about Obama and basically anything else they can profit off lying about are ****ing disgusting.

How many of those 100,000 deaths were from registered guns vs illegal guns?

82% of guns in mass shootings are obtained legally. Thanks, NRA!

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/most-guns-mass-shootings-obtained-legally

I tried looking for the info on all gun shootings, but I couldn't find any site that wasn't a NRA funded bull**** think tank. Hard to find the actual stats. The NRA wants it that way.

Obama - "I can put someone on the no fly list but I cant keep them from buying an automatic weapon."

But yea... lets blame the president.

Politicians are a disgrace in this country. Nothing but blame and no action. Guys like McCain saying things like "Obama is culpable for Orlando shooting by letting ISIS grow in the US"

Can we also blame Bush for every death in Iraq after taking us to war over weapons of mass destruction a straight up lie?

We absolutely have to blame Bush and his terrible presidency.
Mindless aggressive polices by Bush administration replaced by mindless passive by Obama administration.
Both parties are political bankrupts.
No leaders to look up to. And this presidents election even a bigger joke.
Selecting form bitch and clown... mockery.

You have to realize that Obama did do plenty. And at every single turn he was blocked by the GOP Congress. The GOP Congress who has voted down any gun reform law in this country. The GOP doesn't even want to perform terrorist background checks on people who buy automatic weapons. Why don't they want to? Because they are paid to vote that way by the gun lobby, made up of the NRA and gun manufacturers. Similar to the oil lobby who have paid the GOP to call coal a "a clean fuel".

The GOP is a mockery. Trump is the perfect clown candidate to represent them. But the real danger they pose is at the Congress level, where their obstructionist voting stops any real change from happening in this country. Again, the only reason they do this is to get rich from lobbyists. There are dirty politicians on the Democratic side, too, but nowhere near as bad. Just check the voting records in the Senate. It's an embarrassment. It's worse than an embarrassment, it should be called what it is - criminal negligence.

Plenty... meaning what specifically?
His job is to unite people and political parties around common goals to make good for the whole country.
The gun issues must be depoliticized.
If politics cannot come together on this it should be put on national referendum.
Absolute majority of US citizens will support background checks and mental checks requirements for gun ownership.
And it should be yearly re-qualification process to keep gun licenses valid.
It will require a lot of financing to implement and maintain but it worth it as it will save thousands of lives.
I want to see a comprehensive non-partisan plan on this from president and drive from him to put all population behind the plan to push it through the legislation.

So Obama's job is to make the GOP not an embarrassment to the country? Why doesn't the GOP pick itself up by its bootstraps?

You cannot get blood from the stone.
Who cares if GOP or DEMs are an embarrassment? All politicians are.
President should step above this snake-nest and put public behind him.
Instead we see only politically correct bulsht.

The GOP are the ones voting down Obama's attempts to change gun laws. How can he "step above" it when it is their repeated vote - specifically the GOP - that is continuing the epidemic of gun violence in this country?

This is the guy whose side you're on in this argument, by the way. Say hi to Mitch McConnell. He agrees with everything you're saying and wants to give you a high five for taking it to Obama. Good job.

If I am not Obama fan it does not mean I am a fan of his opponents.
All of them are jokers to me.
I stated specifically what is my plan and it has nothing to do with what Mitch McConnell wants:

1. The gun issues must be depoliticized.
2. If politics cannot come together on this it should be put on national referendum.
3. Absolute majority of US citizens will support background checks and mental checks requirements for gun ownership.
4. And it should be yearly re-qualification process to keep gun licenses valid.
5. It will require a lot of financing to implement and maintain but it worth it as it will save thousands of lives.
5. I want to see a comprehensive non-partisan plan on this from president and drive from him to put all population behind the plan to push it through the legislation.

Mitch McConnell is the leader of the movement to politicize any gun issue. Obama is trying to depoliticize them, comparing them to the necessity of traffic safety measures like seat belts. Have you listened to Obama speak on the issue? He's trying to depoliticize it.

Its a good start.
I am with president on this.
Want to see how he will go about implementing this.

"Our number one priority is to make certain Obama is a one-term President"

- Mitch McConnell

... repeat, number one priority. Ergo, it is primarily about the loss of power. For Republicans, for people who live with fear of "the other."

Commanding Officer: Who commits the crimes in the city?

Birch: Who commits the crimes? Well, it’s mostly teenagers, anywhere between the ages of 15 and 19, mostly male blacks and Hispanics.

OK. Who are you stopping?

Everybody. I stop everybody.

Fifty-four TABs up to 8/20. Twenty-five of those are female. Half.

Like I said, I stop everybody. I’m not targeting anybody.

You just told me who the bad guys are.

Yeah, I know that. But there’s also other people who are committing violations as well. I’m not saying that there’s not violations being made.

The male blacks, that you told me commit the crimes—

Plenty of people that I write summonses to are male blacks and male Hispanics.

You stopped two male blacks.

Not for the whole year. You’re telling me for the whole year I only stopped two male blacks on summonses?

8/20. From January 1st to August 20th. Fifty-four TABs: two male blacks, seven Hispanics, seven other, ten white, three Asian. So where are you targeting the perps that you just told me?

Like I said, if I don’t see a perp jumping over the turnstile, what am I supposed to do to him?

These people are not going to pop.

How do I know that? A female Hispanic that I stopped in Sheepshead Bay did pop, actually, for a warrant, and I arrested her. Female Hispanic. The Hispanics that we’re supposed to be going after. That are committing the crimes. The people that I—

Did you think that she was going to pop?

Did I think she was going to pop? I didn’t put no thought into it. If you come up for a collar, I’m taking you in.

Here’s what I see. You just described to me who’s committing the crimes. You’re fully aware of it. But you’re not targeting those people.

I am. I’m targeting everybody.

Two male blacks.

Whoever is out there. If I—

So you only saw two male blacks jump the turnstile?

If you’re saying that’s what’s in front of you, then yes, that’s all I saw, is two male blacks for the whole year jumping the turnstile. If you’re saying that’s what’s in front of you, I’m not disputing that. If that’s what I got there.

That is what you have. That is not disputed here.

I’m saying, we’re also talking Hispanics as well. I stopped a lot of Hispanics, too.

Seven male Hispanics. But more than half are female.

And like I said, everybody’s committing violations in front of me.

meloanyk wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

meloanyk wrote:President Obama has great oratory skills, intelligence and soul but he missed the opportunity over the years to directly challenge his own race to address their own failings. The reality is blacks have made no progress in educational achievement, job growth or cultural advancements during his presidency despite programs in place to assist. His election should have been a turning point for Black Americans but it has not been. Some will say that President Obama failed his race but I think the opposite happened, today's black culture failed him. President Obama did not have to deliver an idiotic Pastor Manning rant but he should have been more encompassing and challenging when addressing what plagues the black race. Society can and does assist but it's up to black people to retake their neighborhoods and share priorities that change the pipeline from school to prison to cradle to college. Some here may recall the Pound Cake speech that Bill Cosby delivered years ago to the NAACP. He was highly critical of black communities for their lack of parenting and responsibility, the prevalence of single parent families and incidental babies, frivolous ways at the expense of necessities and other behaviors such as ghetto vernacular instead of proper English. He cited present African Americans norms and culture as destructive to its own and the main drivers of wide gaps in achievement rather than discrimination,, policing or government policies. He made little excuse for the crimes of the incarcerated and lamented the absence of real black men of years past who were more accountable. He urged blacks to eschew their pathological embrace of victimization, violence and welfare and help themselves just like other minorities of race and color have done to advance. Now I realize, Cosby views will be minimized as a condescending Uncle Tom elitist especially after his rape allegations but he spoke out on self inflicted problems that should be in full discussions but are not because they are not politically correct or convenient. To my surprise, Bill Clinton of all people has recently touched the surface on them as well as black conservatives. I respected the integrity of President Obama but always found his direct addresses to be incomplete messages

If his message seems incomplete to you, maybe you aren't paying enough attention? He does what it seems like you want him to do, particularly when speaking to Black audiences — and it gets reported in the mainstream press. Cosby was talking to the NAACP, after all. Black folks do talk to each other in this way all the time.

"Obama Sharply Assails Absent Black Fathers"
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/16/us/politics/15cnd-obama.html?_r=0

"How the Obama Administration Talks to Black America"
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/05/how-the-obama-administration-talks-to-black-america/276015/

"To critics, Obama’s scolding tone with black audiences is getting old"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/to-critics-obamas-scolding-tone-with-black-audiences-is-getting-old/2013/05/20/4b267352-c191-11e2-bfdb-3886a561c1ff_story.html

"Obama Says Movements Like Black Lives Matter ‘Can’t Just Keep on Yelling’"
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/24/us/obama-says-movements-like-black-lives-matter-cant-just-keep-on-yelling.html
"Obama Calls Kanye West ‘Jackass’ Again"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/12/obama-kanye-west-jackass-_n_1420578.html

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And yes, lessons from a victimizer on how not to embrace victimization is pretty rich.

Calling West a jacksss is a national message? Talking to Morehouse College spreads the word beyond that campus? What % of the black population reads the Atlantic or NY Times? President Obama had a great platform to drive home these points to black communities across the nation via national addresses and I think it was squandered for the most part. Ill also return to my original point. He was elected to the cheers of blacks and whites , it should have been a turning point but the cultures did not respond

I did put that last as a cherry on the top of the other articles. I thought the Kanye thing is poignant because of his popularity, maybe the only person who actually got under GW Bush's skin re: Katrina and race. And it's funny you only respond to that one. That's quite telling. You only see what you want to see I guess.

I put links to mainstream press for you to speak to your "national message". You do realize a trip to Morehouse is going to be not only covered in the mainstream press, it will be in the Morehouse College newspapers and magazines, the local black press, discussed on black radio, etc. And even reach uppity Negroes like me who read The Atlantic and the New York Times.

What exactly is this change you expected, anyway? When you say "The reality is blacks have made no progress in educational achievement, job growth or cultural advancements during his presidency despite programs in place to assist" what exactly are you going on, data or just your gut? What exactly would the change you would have wanted looked like in 7 years?

newyorknewyork wrote:http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/nypd-cop-secretly-records-supervisor-pressuring-him-to-racially-profile-black-men/#.V4ahA4zs5kY.facebook

Commanding Officer: Who commits the crimes in the city?

Birch: Who commits the crimes? Well, it’s mostly teenagers, anywhere between the ages of 15 and 19, mostly male blacks and Hispanics.

OK. Who are you stopping?

Everybody. I stop everybody.

Fifty-four TABs up to 8/20. Twenty-five of those are female. Half.

Like I said, I stop everybody. I’m not targeting anybody.

You just told me who the bad guys are.

Yeah, I know that. But there’s also other people who are committing violations as well. I’m not saying that there’s not violations being made.

The male blacks, that you told me commit the crimes—

Plenty of people that I write summonses to are male blacks and male Hispanics.

You stopped two male blacks.

Not for the whole year. You’re telling me for the whole year I only stopped two male blacks on summonses?

8/20. From January 1st to August 20th. Fifty-four TABs: two male blacks, seven Hispanics, seven other, ten white, three Asian. So where are you targeting the perps that you just told me?

Like I said, if I don’t see a perp jumping over the turnstile, what am I supposed to do to him?

These people are not going to pop.

How do I know that? A female Hispanic that I stopped in Sheepshead Bay did pop, actually, for a warrant, and I arrested her. Female Hispanic. The Hispanics that we’re supposed to be going after. That are committing the crimes. The people that I—

Did you think that she was going to pop?

Did I think she was going to pop? I didn’t put no thought into it. If you come up for a collar, I’m taking you in.

Here’s what I see. You just described to me who’s committing the crimes. You’re fully aware of it. But you’re not targeting those people.

I am. I’m targeting everybody.

Two male blacks.

Whoever is out there. If I—

So you only saw two male blacks jump the turnstile?

If you’re saying that’s what’s in front of you, then yes, that’s all I saw, is two male blacks for the whole year jumping the turnstile. If you’re saying that’s what’s in front of you, I’m not disputing that. If that’s what I got there.

That is what you have. That is not disputed here.

I’m saying, we’re also talking Hispanics as well. I stopped a lot of Hispanics, too.

Seven male Hispanics. But more than half are female.

And like I said, everybody’s committing violations in front of me.

I saw and listened this a few days ago and instantly thought of this thread. The audio is very interesting for sure re: "bad guys".

DrAlphaeus wrote:Yea Obama really screwed up by not having his great Dressing Down Black America speech. Don't worry guys, he's leaving.

So anybody have any ideas how to make things better or do we want to keep on wagging our finger from the comfort of our keyboards?

I put in my thoughts about gun control.
The race issue in my opinion should be settled between African Americans and white America.
I am a new immigrant and it is not of my business to deal with.
I do not have enough knowledge and feel for the issue so will be off base for sure.
To tell the truth it looks ugly from outside and kind of helpless.
You leaved side by side for 2 hundred years already so I hope you will get together sooner or later somehow.

DrAlphaeus wrote:

arkrud wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:Yea Obama really screwed up by not having his great Dressing Down Black America speech. Don't worry guys, he's leaving.

So anybody have any ideas how to make things better or do we want to keep on wagging our finger from the comfort of our keyboards?

I put in my thoughts about gun control.
The race issue in my opinion should be settled between African Americans and white America.
I am a new immigrant and it is not of my business to deal with.
I do not have enough knowledge and feel for the issue so will be off base for sure.
To tell the truth it looks ugly from outside and kind of helpless.
You leaved side by side for 2 hundred years already so I hope you will get together sooner or later somehow.

I don't even know why I keep coming back to this thread. This whole Black America needs to deal with its **** before I give a **** type of approach is something I find very telling.This expectation that Barack Obama needs to just give a Cosby-style speech to an oppressed ethnic group he essentially married into... with a yea yea yea you struggled but <insert other ethnic group here> had it tough too... with a lack of perspective about our history here.

arkrud you talk about the ideals of the Constitution as if it didn't refer to "3/5"ths of a human being. Human being as chattel used to pad Census figures — and the Fugitive Slave Clause. It's like forgetting the Declaration of Independence refers to "merciless Indian savages" and think that the militias of the 2nd amendment was just to make sure we'd have hunting clubs.

No, it was to 1) prevent re-invasion by Britain or another European country 2) kill Indians and 3) prevent slave revolts. And it was 2 and 3 that were the more mundane reasons, the every day reasons. But whatever I guess. Pass me a shotgun and a Confederate flag. I just love history and my heritage.

I've never met a white person with the last name Washington or Jefferson. We are as American as it gets. So it's rich when people complain about out-of-wedlock birth and absent fathers. The ****ing Founding Fathers were deadbeat dads to us.

And it's probably north of 350 years if you are counting. But 1000 pardons we couldn't rise above a global recession and impress you with our puritan spirit these last 7 years.

Don't worry. I hear you.
I take all this in stride. All comes by comparison.
It is damm good to live in America.
As per Constitution I am result oriented.
Looking good to me so who cares why it came to be.
I learned from Russia to stay away from the government, and police, and bad places to go.
Woks just fine in US.

arkrud wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

arkrud wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:Yea Obama really screwed up by not having his great Dressing Down Black America speech. Don't worry guys, he's leaving.

So anybody have any ideas how to make things better or do we want to keep on wagging our finger from the comfort of our keyboards?

I put in my thoughts about gun control.
The race issue in my opinion should be settled between African Americans and white America.
I am a new immigrant and it is not of my business to deal with.
I do not have enough knowledge and feel for the issue so will be off base for sure.
To tell the truth it looks ugly from outside and kind of helpless.
You leaved side by side for 2 hundred years already so I hope you will get together sooner or later somehow.

I don't even know why I keep coming back to this thread. This whole Black America needs to deal with its **** before I give a **** type of approach is something I find very telling.This expectation that Barack Obama needs to just give a Cosby-style speech to an oppressed ethnic group he essentially married into... with a yea yea yea you struggled but <insert other ethnic group here> had it tough too... with a lack of perspective about our history here.

arkrud you talk about the ideals of the Constitution as if it didn't refer to "3/5"ths of a human being. Human being as chattel used to pad Census figures — and the Fugitive Slave Clause. It's like forgetting the Declaration of Independence refers to "merciless Indian savages" and think that the militias of the 2nd amendment was just to make sure we'd have hunting clubs.

No, it was to 1) prevent re-invasion by Britain or another European country 2) kill Indians and 3) prevent slave revolts. And it was 2 and 3 that were the more mundane reasons, the every day reasons. But whatever I guess. Pass me a shotgun and a Confederate flag. I just love history and my heritage.

I've never met a white person with the last name Washington or Jefferson. We are as American as it gets. So it's rich when people complain about out-of-wedlock birth and absent fathers. The ****ing Founding Fathers were deadbeat dads to us.

And it's probably north of 350 years if you are counting. But 1000 pardons we couldn't rise above a global recession and impress you with our puritan spirit these last 7 years.

Don't worry. I hear you.
I take all this in stride. All comes by comparison.
It is damm good to live in America.
As per Constitution I am result oriented.
Looking good to me so who cares why it came to be.
I learned from Russia to stay away from the government, and police, and bad places to go.
Woks just fine in US.

Cool. Happy to be a footstool for your dreams. Don't worry about how this place got built or this tree was planted, or whose blood watered it, just enjoy the fruits, right?

arkrud wrote:

misterearl wrote:You do the math

"Our number one priority is to make certain Obama is a one-term President"

- Mitch McConnell

... repeat, number one priority. Ergo, it is primarily about the loss of power. For Republicans, for people who live with fear of "the other."

It deferentially never worked.
And this is exactly what is my point about - the only goal all our politicians have is to hold on to the power.
Let them... I do not care much. I am building my life the way it is not affected by this circus.

I think that is the only realistic approach. These arguements between the have and have nots will continue. This country is so deeply divided. We will be arguing about the same things til the dawn of time. Until socialism takes precedent and we self destruct. It's too polarizing on both sides to ever reach common ground. Even with a goodwilled leaders who's number one intention is unifying the nation.