EwingsGlass wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

blkexec wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:I think in reality we may need to start a new thread titled --- Robin Lopez is 100X better than Monroe.

It should only take a day or two before Briggs is in the thread defending Rolo's dominance.

Stated differently - Are you acknowledging that Briggs is a....

Flip Flopper
Someone who verbalizes contradictory statements with no reason for or acknowlegement of the change in positions.

Flip flop on what? Kind of like seeing Denzel Valentine during the year when he was a 2nd round prospect and saying he s a lottery pick? Or saying we shouldve gotten rid of Jose Calderon 2 years ago? I dont throw poop on the wall and I dont flip flop?? I acknowledge that Robin Lopez is playing much better than I anticipated--hes playing really well.

man you are holding onto that Valentine thing aren't you? if I reminded everyone how I was the first person to talk about Derrick rose, Blake griffin (saw them as high-schoolers at camps and posted on here) and Russell Westbrook on this website all the time, I might be considered the draft guru too...

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4/10/2009 7:20 PM

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Posted by BRIGGS:

If Blake Griffin was actually picked by the Knicks he would average 23 points and grab 13 rebounds in year one shooting 58=% In his prime he will average 27 points and 15 rebounds in an uptempo game like this. Like the Lakers I would rather stack up on quality bigs--they still lead the league in scoring and dont even have 1 true PG on their roster. If somehow we were able to get Bosh the following year with David Lee as wheel three and a 7 footer who can play situational--that would be our fastest road to winning. I think any fair PG could work that team

If we get Blake--we will win 50 games NEXT year with a nice MLE and a few tweaks. I cant say that about any other guy in this draft.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 04-10-2009 1:55 PM]

i love Griffin too, but let's not get crazy here dude... we're talking Tim Duncan in his prime numbers when u say 23 & 13, & u expect Griffin to do that his 1st year? & shooting 58% no less? come on dude, what are u smokin?

& 27 & 15 are pretty crazy azz numbers too... not even Karl Malone ever had a season like that... stop buggin.

This is the next Karl Malone. Wait and see--I won't post about another prospect if this guy isnt a star right away. If the Knicks were ever lucky enough top get him--it should be game set match

Well he did avg 23-12 in year 1.

I predicted we would trade for Sergio Rodriguez. Bow down before me you peons.

I predicted we'd regret signing Amar'e over David Lee. Holla back!

jrodmc wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Rolo is playing great ball right now--its as simple as that. The material difference between Monroe and Lopez? Well our W-L might record might be better with Monroe--it couldnt be worse.

Milwaukee's record is worse with Monroe. Record worse, OFF & DEF efficiencies are worse. Detroit: better, better, better.

They made a devastating trade getting rid of Knight--thats their sole reason why they went south. But they also have a better record than the Knicks.

Not sure how the Knicks' record has anything to do with Monroe or Milwaukee.

Not sure how you can say that getting rid of Knight was the sole reason why they went south either, Monroe was their premier free agent pickup.

I think since they lost Knight they havent been the same. I think Robin Lopez has been the superior player by far 2nd half of the season--maybe playing his best basketball of career in certain games. In fact he should get more FGAs but I dont see how it has any real material difference between Monroe and Lopez in W-L or game impact. Lopez is the better player right now but it wont change the way a team either wins or losses--one guy avg 16-10 the other 12-8--neither guy is a great defender.

Please explain how this one team is #1 in the NBA in rim protection.

The Knicks get outscored in the paint on a daily basis--what are you talking about?

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/opponent-points-in-paint-per-game Dont you have dudes who get paid a lot of money to make sure you dont say stupid things?

According to NBA.com, the Knicks are currently holding opponents to 47.3 percent shooting at the rim—the best mark in the Association. The Utah Jazz check in at No. 2 at 48.4 percent, but thus far, the top team has been New York.

The perimeter defense has been painfully inconsistent, allowing penetration on a far too consistent basis, but no interior has done a better job of limiting efficient looks than New York.

Individually, the 27-year-old Rolo is holding opponents to 46.7 percent shooting when he meets them at the rim. Amongst played who have played at least 40 games in 2015-16, that’s the No. 8 mark in the NBA.

Should one include Derrick Favors and Rudy Gobert, who have both missed at least 17 games, is still No. 10 in the Association. Elite.

I'm sure you have quotes like that galore for your 100X buddy, right?

Stupid things...isn't this whole thread...ummm....

You were saying, BRIGGS?

newyorknewyork wrote:Haven't really watched to much of the Bucks so this is an outside analysis. But Greg Monroe isn't really doing to bad for the Bucks and is having a pretty solid season. He has the highest win shares on the Bucks(More win shares then Lopez, but no he isn't 100x better then him).

He has run into kind of the same problem in Miluakee that he did in Detroit. Miluakee doesn't really have quality spacing since Freak and Parker aren't strong shooters. Monroe isn't strong enough defensive anchor to impact the defensive end given the athletes they have. They don't play enough defense in general given the athletes they have. They don't really have an identity or balance.

Robin Lopez is playing well he upped his offensive game. Obviously saying a player is 100X better is facetious but in reality we are 12 games under .500 and I doubt we could be ANY worse with Monroe--but likely better as he is a better passer and more consistent.

nyk4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Haven't really watched to much of the Bucks so this is an outside analysis. But Greg Monroe isn't really doing to bad for the Bucks and is having a pretty solid season. He has the highest win shares on the Bucks(More win shares then Lopez, but no he isn't 100x better then him).

He has run into kind of the same problem in Miluakee that he did in Detroit. Miluakee doesn't really have quality spacing since Freak and Parker aren't strong shooters. Monroe isn't strong enough defensive anchor to impact the defensive end given the athletes they have. They don't play enough defense in general given the athletes they have. They don't really have an identity or balance.

Robin Lopez is playing well he upped his offensive game. Obviously saying a player is 100X better is facetious but in reality we are 12 games under .500 and I doubt we could be ANY worse with Monroe--but likely better as he is a better passer and more consistent.

based on what? his game log certainly doesn't say he's more consistent...

Monroe
16 points 9.4 rebounds 2.3 assists 1 block 1 steal 52% in 30 minutes
Lopez
10 points 7 rebounds 1.3 assists 1.4 blocks 0 steals 55% in 27 minutes

Now come back to reality better scorer per minute better passer per minute better rebounder per minute more defensive numbers per minute.

BRIGGS wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Haven't really watched to much of the Bucks so this is an outside analysis. But Greg Monroe isn't really doing to bad for the Bucks and is having a pretty solid season. He has the highest win shares on the Bucks(More win shares then Lopez, but no he isn't 100x better then him).

He has run into kind of the same problem in Miluakee that he did in Detroit. Miluakee doesn't really have quality spacing since Freak and Parker aren't strong shooters. Monroe isn't strong enough defensive anchor to impact the defensive end given the athletes they have. They don't play enough defense in general given the athletes they have. They don't really have an identity or balance.

Robin Lopez is playing well he upped his offensive game. Obviously saying a player is 100X better is facetious but in reality we are 12 games under .500 and I doubt we could be ANY worse with Monroe--but likely better as he is a better passer and more consistent.

based on what? his game log certainly doesn't say he's more consistent...

Monroe
16 points 9.4 rebounds 2.3 assists 1 block 1 steal 52% in 30 minutes
Lopez
10 points 7 rebounds 1.3 assists 1.4 blocks 0 steals 55% in 27 minutes

Now come back to reality better scorer per minute better passer per minute better rebounder per minute more defensive numbers per minute.

better scorer per minute? who the **** cares about that? especially when lopez isn't being paid to be a volume scorer, the fact that the numbers are even close and monroe was paid to do just that disproves your assertion. what the hell is more defensive numbers per minute? it's not even accurate as lopez has more blocks, in less minutes. you are just trying to cover up your own dumb comment from months ago. take a look at lopez second half numbers and tell me who the more consistent player is.

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Haven't really watched to much of the Bucks so this is an outside analysis. But Greg Monroe isn't really doing to bad for the Bucks and is having a pretty solid season. He has the highest win shares on the Bucks(More win shares then Lopez, but no he isn't 100x better then him).

He has run into kind of the same problem in Miluakee that he did in Detroit. Miluakee doesn't really have quality spacing since Freak and Parker aren't strong shooters. Monroe isn't strong enough defensive anchor to impact the defensive end given the athletes they have. They don't play enough defense in general given the athletes they have. They don't really have an identity or balance.

Robin Lopez is playing well he upped his offensive game. Obviously saying a player is 100X better is facetious but in reality we are 12 games under .500 and I doubt we could be ANY worse with Monroe--but likely better as he is a better passer and more consistent.

based on what? his game log certainly doesn't say he's more consistent...

Monroe
16 points 9.4 rebounds 2.3 assists 1 block 1 steal 52% in 30 minutes
Lopez
10 points 7 rebounds 1.3 assists 1.4 blocks 0 steals 55% in 27 minutes

Now come back to reality better scorer per minute better passer per minute better rebounder per minute more defensive numbers per minute.

Lopez in the 2nd half: 14ppg, 10rebs, 1.7 blocks 64% FGs. Hows that for reality? Hell, those are the kind of #s that prompt silly people to post threads like "Robin Lopez is the best center in the NBA"

Keep up the good fight Briggs... Im going back to bed

Yeah, and likely adjusting to a new system and having lousy guards, Monroe's #s would have dipped early in the season if he were here.

The thing I like about Lopez and his numbers this year are many fold. I thought he was hurt at the beginning of the year, never had offensive responsibility in previous season, and was also adjusting to everything. There is a very discernible arc to his play this season, and it is pointing upwards, very nice indeed.

Last few years: 1 game a year of 20+ points. Past month and a half, 5 games of 20+ points.

He has a post game that no one knew about. His FT shooting 83% indicates to me that he also has a face up jumper out to 15+ feet that is untested (and probably not practiced enough).

He still holds the ball too low when in the post and gets it stolen by blind-sided guards. Still makes bad passes. Hands are decent but not great.

I like him as a player because he plays both ends of the court and is not a liability outside of guarding out to 18+ feet.

I don't watch Monroe, he gets stats just like Kantor, and yet both are coming off bench (or had been); that's not a good look for either big man.

martin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Haven't really watched to much of the Bucks so this is an outside analysis. But Greg Monroe isn't really doing to bad for the Bucks and is having a pretty solid season. He has the highest win shares on the Bucks(More win shares then Lopez, but no he isn't 100x better then him).

He has run into kind of the same problem in Miluakee that he did in Detroit. Miluakee doesn't really have quality spacing since Freak and Parker aren't strong shooters. Monroe isn't strong enough defensive anchor to impact the defensive end given the athletes they have. They don't play enough defense in general given the athletes they have. They don't really have an identity or balance.

Robin Lopez is playing well he upped his offensive game. Obviously saying a player is 100X better is facetious but in reality we are 12 games under .500 and I doubt we could be ANY worse with Monroe--but likely better as he is a better passer and more consistent.

based on what? his game log certainly doesn't say he's more consistent...

Monroe
16 points 9.4 rebounds 2.3 assists 1 block 1 steal 52% in 30 minutes
Lopez
10 points 7 rebounds 1.3 assists 1.4 blocks 0 steals 55% in 27 minutes

Now come back to reality better scorer per minute better passer per minute better rebounder per minute more defensive numbers per minute.

Lopez in the 2nd half: 14ppg, 10rebs, 1.7 blocks 64% FGs. Hows that for reality? Hell, those are the kind of #s that prompt silly people to post threads like "Robin Lopez is the best center in the NBA"

Keep up the good fight Briggs... Im going back to bed

Yeah, and likely adjusting to a new system and having lousy guards, Monroe's #s would have dipped early in the season if he were here.

The thing I like about Lopez and his numbers this year are many fold. I thought he was hurt at the beginning of the year, never had offensive responsibility in previous season, and was also adjusting to everything. There is a very discernible arc to his play this season, and it is pointing upwards, very nice indeed.

Last few years: 1 game a year of 20+ points. Past month and a half, 5 games of 20+ points.

He has a post game that no one knew about. His FT shooting 83% indicates to me that he also has a face up jumper out to 15+ feet that is untested (and probably not practiced enough).

He still holds the ball too low when in the post and gets it stolen by blind-sided guards. Still makes bad passes. Hands are decent but not great.

I like him as a player because he plays both ends of the court and is not a liability outside of guarding out to 18+ feet.

I don't watch Monroe, he gets stats just like Kantor, and yet both are coming off bench (or had been); that's not a good look for either big man.

at least kanter makes up for his no defense with super efficient offense (and he still just eh)

Monroe needs to have to double his efficiency to make up for his defense disgustingness.

23 points and 20 rebounds says hello