tkf wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:What's worse? 4 turnovers a game or 15 missed shots?

What's really worse 6 TOs and 8 missed shots?

Who had that?!

So much better then Melo , Melo has plenty of games where he shoots 20% and scores 7 points. Lets wait a little while before crowning MR George as an elite player shall we. If Melo had a game like George did in a Game 7 the board would of exploded

Of course in a smaller sample of shots (9 total), there's going to be more variability or fluctuation in terms of percentages. I personally didn't say George was better than Melo though. He's just better than Melo in all the non-scoring facets of the game. Melo is a significantly better scorer.

This game has always been, and will always be, about buckets. Sorry I had 2

yet, none of the leagues leading scorers are still playing.. LOL..

tell me, when was the last time a scoring champ won a title?

I'll wait...

So by your theory, you don't think Durant will ever win a title? What about Jordan, how did he win so many as a league leader in scoring?

tkf wrote:LOL.. it is hilarious now at the attacks on paul George, as if that will help excuse carmelo and his constant failures.. WOW... some fans.. smh

I feel like you would rather see the Knicks fail because Melo is on the team. That is sad.

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:LOL.. it is hilarious now at the attacks on paul George, as if that will help excuse carmelo and his constant failures.. WOW... some fans.. smh

I feel like you would rather see the Knicks fail because Melo is on the team. That is sad.

is that what you really feel?

well I feel you are too worried about what I feel....

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:LOL.. it is hilarious now at the attacks on paul George, as if that will help excuse carmelo and his constant failures.. WOW... some fans.. smh

I feel like you would rather see the Knicks fail because Melo is on the team. That is sad.

is that what you really feel?

well I feel you are too worried about what I feel....

That is a good reply!

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:LOL.. it is hilarious now at the attacks on paul George, as if that will help excuse carmelo and his constant failures.. WOW... some fans.. smh

I feel like you would rather see the Knicks fail because Melo is on the team. That is sad.

is that what you really feel?

well I feel you are too worried about what I feel....

I just don't understand why you are obsessed over hating a good player who has his flaws, but has already done so much for this franchise in such a short time that the positives far outweigh the flaws. He is what he is, a guy who can get to the playoffs but needs help succeeding at a certain point, like most other stars. So i think it's time to leave it alone for awhile. I lurk every thread and you say the same in every one.

You're free to view .600 in reg season, and 7-14 in the playoffs, and high ppgh, as meaningful but you should respect that some of our fellow Knicks fans don't.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:LOL.. it is hilarious now at the attacks on paul George, as if that will help excuse carmelo and his constant failures.. WOW... some fans.. smh

I feel like you would rather see the Knicks fail because Melo is on the team. That is sad.

is that what you really feel?

well I feel you are too worried about what I feel....

I just don't understand why you are obsessed over hating a good player who has his flaws, but has already done so much for this franchise in such a short time that the positives far outweigh the flaws. He is what he is, a guy who can get to the playoffs but needs help succeeding at a certain point, like most other stars. So i think it's time to leave it alone for awhile. I lurk every thread and you say the same in every one.

You're free to view .600 in reg season, and 7-14 in the playoffs, and high ppgh, as meaningful but you should respect that some of our fellow Knicks fans don't.

I do respect it, i just think it shouldn't be obsessed over in every thread. Other than that it's fine by me. I definitely don't obsessed over Melo's accomplishment, i am just a Knicks fan who has appreciated what he has done for the franchise and i hope succeeds because he is a Knick.

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:LOL.. it is hilarious now at the attacks on paul George, as if that will help excuse carmelo and his constant failures.. WOW... some fans.. smh

I feel like you would rather see the Knicks fail because Melo is on the team. That is sad.

is that what you really feel?

well I feel you are too worried about what I feel....

I just don't understand why you are obsessed over hating a good player who has his flaws, but has already done so much for this franchise in such a short time that the positives far outweigh the flaws. He is what he is, a guy who can get to the playoffs but needs help succeeding at a certain point, like most other stars. So i think it's time to leave it alone for awhile. I lurk every thread and you say the same in every one.

No he hasn't.. HE alienated a former player now with Houston, ran a coach out of town, sabotaged a season in the process and cost us assets and picks and flexibility... all for a quick second round exit and embarrassment....

i am waiting for the positives... and please don't tell me, he Dragged us to the playoffs unless you are willing to accept that he cost us as well.

And maybe it seems that I say the same thing because the topic around here never changes..

carmelo needs help

It is not his fault

Hats off to melo, having to play with these bums

He dragged the knicks to the playoffs

It wasn't his fault he shot 39%

Which star wants to come join forces with carmelo

it's amare's fault

same old, same old... so yea, it is no surprise why a lot of the comments I make are pretty similar to the topics at hand... smh

GustavBahler wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Well its not really fair to judge George based on one game. He will hopefully get better on offense and he has one of the best rim protecting centers to help his already great defensive skills.

I don't like that as he increased his shots his shooting percentage has drop but he has time to figure it out.

Well exactly- that's why it annoys me when people refuse to use perspective when talking about our players. All this talk about Tyson being a bum because he had a poor playoff showing (after missing 3 weeks with injury and illness)- just ridiculous.

I wouldn't call him a bum, I would say that too many nights I a saw a total lack of effort. I was saying the same thing you were, that he's been hurt and we should cut Tyson some slack. But the more I watched guys blow right past him that excuse started wearing thin.

I didn't expect DPOY Tyson with his injuries, I did expect more fire and too many times it just wasn't there. Add Tyson throwing his teammates under the bus while glossing over his own failures and I see someone I would rather trade if a good deal is there.

Unfortunately with his salary it won't be easy. His value is probably the lowest its been in a while so if we are to get any value for him its probably going to be at the trade deadline next season where he will hopefully garner some interest.

There's also a huge difference when looking at a 22yr old 3rd yr 2-way player no injury history vs comparing 30yr old 10+ yr players with injury history and bloated salaries.

Look we really only have 1 player who has ability to reach an unknown ceiling....that's Shumpert but his growth will be stunted by the likes of Melo and J.R. and every now and then Felton, with Woodson coaching this team.

3G4G wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Well its not really fair to judge George based on one game. He will hopefully get better on offense and he has one of the best rim protecting centers to help his already great defensive skills.

I don't like that as he increased his shots his shooting percentage has drop but he has time to figure it out.

Well exactly- that's why it annoys me when people refuse to use perspective when talking about our players. All this talk about Tyson being a bum because he had a poor playoff showing (after missing 3 weeks with injury and illness)- just ridiculous.

I wouldn't call him a bum, I would say that too many nights I a saw a total lack of effort. I was saying the same thing you were, that he's been hurt and we should cut Tyson some slack. But the more I watched guys blow right past him that excuse started wearing thin.

I didn't expect DPOY Tyson with his injuries, I did expect more fire and too many times it just wasn't there. Add Tyson throwing his teammates under the bus while glossing over his own failures and I see someone I would rather trade if a good deal is there.

Unfortunately with his salary it won't be easy. His value is probably the lowest its been in a while so if we are to get any value for him its probably going to be at the trade deadline next season where he will hopefully garner some interest.

There's also a huge difference when looking at a 22yr old 3rd yr 2-way player no injury history vs comparing 30yr old 10+ yr players with injury history and bloated salaries.

Look we really only have 1 player who has ability to reach an unknown ceiling....that's Shumpert but his growth will be stunted by the likes of Melo and J.R. and every now and then Felton, with Woodson coaching this team.

good post and I like shumpert, but to keep it real, he really hasn't displayed the complete all around game for any sustainable period.. I would like to see him make the strides that a lance stephenson made, that would make me happy, but I doubt that as you said because of the environment he is currently in...

3G4G wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Well its not really fair to judge George based on one game. He will hopefully get better on offense and he has one of the best rim protecting centers to help his already great defensive skills.

I don't like that as he increased his shots his shooting percentage has drop but he has time to figure it out.

Well exactly- that's why it annoys me when people refuse to use perspective when talking about our players. All this talk about Tyson being a bum because he had a poor playoff showing (after missing 3 weeks with injury and illness)- just ridiculous.

I wouldn't call him a bum, I would say that too many nights I a saw a total lack of effort. I was saying the same thing you were, that he's been hurt and we should cut Tyson some slack. But the more I watched guys blow right past him that excuse started wearing thin.

I didn't expect DPOY Tyson with his injuries, I did expect more fire and too many times it just wasn't there. Add Tyson throwing his teammates under the bus while glossing over his own failures and I see someone I would rather trade if a good deal is there.

Unfortunately with his salary it won't be easy. His value is probably the lowest its been in a while so if we are to get any value for him its probably going to be at the trade deadline next season where he will hopefully garner some interest.

There's also a huge difference when looking at a 22yr old 3rd yr 2-way player no injury history vs comparing 30yr old 10+ yr players with injury history and bloated salaries.

Look we really only have 1 player who has ability to reach an unknown ceiling....that's Shumpert but his growth will be stunted by the likes of Melo and J.R. and every now and then Felton, with Woodson coaching this team.

I don't believe any of them will stunt Shumpert's growth. Shumpert still has to develop a reliable mid range jumper, that's the only thing holding him back. Shump has already improved his handle and his 3pt shooting, these things aren't happening in a vacuum.

Knixkik wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

3G4G wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Well its not really fair to judge George based on one game. He will hopefully get better on offense and he has one of the best rim protecting centers to help his already great defensive skills.

I don't like that as he increased his shots his shooting percentage has drop but he has time to figure it out.

Well exactly- that's why it annoys me when people refuse to use perspective when talking about our players. All this talk about Tyson being a bum because he had a poor playoff showing (after missing 3 weeks with injury and illness)- just ridiculous.

I wouldn't call him a bum, I would say that too many nights I a saw a total lack of effort. I was saying the same thing you were, that he's been hurt and we should cut Tyson some slack. But the more I watched guys blow right past him that excuse started wearing thin.

I didn't expect DPOY Tyson with his injuries, I did expect more fire and too many times it just wasn't there. Add Tyson throwing his teammates under the bus while glossing over his own failures and I see someone I would rather trade if a good deal is there.

Unfortunately with his salary it won't be easy. His value is probably the lowest its been in a while so if we are to get any value for him its probably going to be at the trade deadline next season where he will hopefully garner some interest.

There's also a huge difference when looking at a 22yr old 3rd yr 2-way player no injury history vs comparing 30yr old 10+ yr players with injury history and bloated salaries.

Look we really only have 1 player who has ability to reach an unknown ceiling....that's Shumpert but his growth will be stunted by the likes of Melo and J.R. and every now and then Felton, with Woodson coaching this team.

I don't believe any of them will stunt Shumpert's growth. Shumpert still has to develop a reliable mid range jumper, that's the only thing holding him back. I doubt any of them will hinder his growth. Shump has already improved his handle and his 3pt shooting, these things aren't happening in a vacuum.

Melo's presence will help Shumpert develop as it will allow him to focus on improving his outside shooting and not have to create too much offense or carry too much responsbility on offense.

I agree, the only time Shump gets into trouble is when he gets too ambitious. Chalk it up to youthful inexperience. The good news is that Vince Carter like dunk he did in the playoffs shows that he is getting his vertical back. shump keeps improving and I see him becoming an all star in a couple of years.