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GAME THREAD: KNICKS ARE GOOD AND THAT'S NO BULL!!![8:00PM]
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dk7th
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12/9/2012  9:51 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:knicks are an old team and back to backs are tough on them.

felton can't orchestrate to save his life so when kidd and the other one-foot-in-the-grave-ers don't show up the knicks are in deeeep doodoo.

fortunately tomorrow night is against the nuggets. should be a cakewalk

Knicks win this game if they have Melo. If Felton tries to do too much it doesn't work. Fortunately he always seems remorseful and introspective after his super bad games and bounces back.

maybe. but the knicks looked tired. if melo had played maybe he makes them less tired but old teams on back to backs perform this way. look at what popovich does as an acknowledgement of this factor. if there ever was an excuse to shorten the season by 10 games it is that the players are playing longer but age can't be mitigated.

and you say "if" with felton-- i say "when" as in "he tries to do too much too often." in the thread about how well he is playing i listed, at misterearl's request, what constituted a bad game.

1) he can't stay in front of his assignment, forcing chandler to the bench with foul trouble-- this is the rule not the exception especially by the second round of the playoffs... should we make it that far.
2) he takes more than 14-15 shots and 4 or more are bad shots-- in 2 of the 4 losses he did just that. in the playoffs a bad shot is at least a momentum shifter and worse it leads to easy baskets for the opposition. in the playoffs a bad shot = turnover.
3) he overdribbles and commits more than 4 turnovers-- in the 5 games thus far with 4+ the knicks have lost 3 times.

he then responded with a pretty uncivil tone, after which i elucidated my points:

(1) if the perimeter defender cannot stay in front of his man then your shotblockers/shotchangers in the lane run the risk of getting into foul trouble. this is just common sense and fundamental basketball.
point (2) you used a game that we lost where he played well against arguably the #1 seed in the west. that was a good game for him which is why i did not include it. the response was focussing on his bad games in losses not good games in losses. but since you raise this as some sort of vindication, you should take a look at mike conley's game, where conley got into the lane repeatedly, and tyson chandler ended up with 5 fouls. conley's statline: 6-12, 8 assists, 2 TO, 2 steals, 60.1TS%. in other words, felton was outplayed in the loss to the grizzlies.
(3) you had better hope kidd does the orchestrating for this team, because relying on felton will jeopardize the team.

aside from crediting the chicago defense, kidd was tired. he's pushing 40! and when he gets tired he becomes ordinary, as his statline shows. and when he gets ordinary, felton implodes.

and why does felton implode? because he is not an orchestrator. he is playing the point guard position but lacks the requisite point guard skills.

as to melo helping, i am not sure if he can against this bulls squad. he doesn't do well when he is pressed. and i really don't see how anyone can say he "generates open looks" like this poster nupe has asserted. how does that work?

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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12/9/2012  11:05 AM
Noah is basically a younger Tyson Chandler with more athleticism, speed/quickness, agility, a shot *as ugly as it is, it goes in*, and ALL ROUND SKILLS with passing/posting/ even penetrating especially for a Center.

I think Chandler has improved much moving off the screen/rolling off the PnR, and sets GREAT screens to free up the PnR play not allowing the DEF to recover in time.

When Chandler's contract expires between the 2nd 3rd year of his NEXT contract, I think he will be in for a huge downfall when he loses his speed/athleticism.
He entered the league as a HS player, and even though he isn't 40 yet his body has taken the abuse for many years in the league and will wear down quite a bit.

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12/9/2012  12:19 PM

Contrary to some belief, we won't win every game.

Gotta win the home games!

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12/9/2012  5:29 PM
CashMoney wrote:Melo would have made a huge difference tonight.

Oh well, can't win em all and we're still 14-5.

and so would rose with the bulls....

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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12/9/2012  5:32 PM
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:knicks are an old team and back to backs are tough on them.

felton can't orchestrate to save his life so when kidd and the other one-foot-in-the-grave-ers don't show up the knicks are in deeeep doodoo.

fortunately tomorrow night is against the nuggets. should be a cakewalk

Knicks win this game if they have Melo. If Felton tries to do too much it doesn't work. Fortunately he always seems remorseful and introspective after his super bad games and bounces back.

maybe. but the knicks looked tired. if melo had played maybe he makes them less tired but old teams on back to backs perform this way. look at what popovich does as an acknowledgement of this factor. if there ever was an excuse to shorten the season by 10 games it is that the players are playing longer but age can't be mitigated.

and you say "if" with felton-- i say "when" as in "he tries to do too much too often." in the thread about how well he is playing i listed, at misterearl's request, what constituted a bad game.

1) he can't stay in front of his assignment, forcing chandler to the bench with foul trouble-- this is the rule not the exception especially by the second round of the playoffs... should we make it that far.
2) he takes more than 14-15 shots and 4 or more are bad shots-- in 2 of the 4 losses he did just that. in the playoffs a bad shot is at least a momentum shifter and worse it leads to easy baskets for the opposition. in the playoffs a bad shot = turnover.
3) he overdribbles and commits more than 4 turnovers-- in the 5 games thus far with 4+ the knicks have lost 3 times.

he then responded with a pretty uncivil tone, after which i elucidated my points:

(1) if the perimeter defender cannot stay in front of his man then your shotblockers/shotchangers in the lane run the risk of getting into foul trouble. this is just common sense and fundamental basketball.
point (2) you used a game that we lost where he played well against arguably the #1 seed in the west. that was a good game for him which is why i did not include it. the response was focussing on his bad games in losses not good games in losses. but since you raise this as some sort of vindication, you should take a look at mike conley's game, where conley got into the lane repeatedly, and tyson chandler ended up with 5 fouls. conley's statline: 6-12, 8 assists, 2 TO, 2 steals, 60.1TS%. in other words, felton was outplayed in the loss to the grizzlies.
(3) you had better hope kidd does the orchestrating for this team, because relying on felton will jeopardize the team.

aside from crediting the chicago defense, kidd was tired. he's pushing 40! and when he gets tired he becomes ordinary, as his statline shows. and when he gets ordinary, felton implodes.

and why does felton implode? because he is not an orchestrator. he is playing the point guard position but lacks the requisite point guard skills.

as to melo helping, i am not sure if he can against this bulls squad. he doesn't do well when he is pressed. and i really don't see how anyone can say he "generates open looks" like this poster nupe has asserted. how does that work?


true, and here is another point... the bulls are also playing without rose, who is the best player between both teams..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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12/9/2012  6:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/9/2012  6:17 PM
tkf wrote:

true, and here is another point... the bulls are also playing without rose, who is the best player between both teams..

Knicks are playing without Melo, Amar'e and Shumpert. The Bulls are missing Rose. I think it is safe to say the Knicks are hurting more, easily. Try using logic and common-sense troll.

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12/9/2012  6:20 PM
NUPE wrote:
tkf wrote:

true, and here is another point... the bulls are also playing without rose, who is the best player between both teams..

Knicks are playing without Melo, Amar'e and Shumpert. The Bulls are missing Rose. I think it is safe to say the Knicks are hurting more, easily. Try using logic and common-sense troll.


I don't know about that. I don't think many Bulls fans would trade Rose for those 3 even if the salaries matched.
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12/9/2012  6:23 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/9/2012  6:25 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
NUPE wrote:
tkf wrote:

true, and here is another point... the bulls are also playing without rose, who is the best player between both teams..

Knicks are playing without Melo, Amar'e and Shumpert. The Bulls are missing Rose. I think it is safe to say the Knicks are hurting more, easily. Try using logic and common-sense troll.


I don't know about that. I don't think many Bulls fans would trade Rose for those 3 even if the salaries matched.

You can spin it anyhow you like. The fact remains that the Knicks were missing several key players and are easily more injured than the Bulls. I don't even think we have come close to seeing the best this current group of Knicks can offer and wont until after the all star break.

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12/9/2012  6:23 PM
NUPE wrote:
tkf wrote:

true, and here is another point... the bulls are also playing without rose, who is the best player between both teams..

Knicks are playing without Melo, Amar'e and Shumpert. The Bulls are missing Rose. I think it is safe to say the Knicks are hurting more, easily. Try using logic and common-sense troll.

rose is better than all of them... and there is just one ball... try not being a homer... troll....

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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12/9/2012  6:25 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
NUPE wrote:
tkf wrote:

true, and here is another point... the bulls are also playing without rose, who is the best player between both teams..

Knicks are playing without Melo, Amar'e and Shumpert. The Bulls are missing Rose. I think it is safe to say the Knicks are hurting more, easily. Try using logic and common-sense troll.


I don't know about that. I don't think many Bulls fans would trade Rose for those 3 even if the salaries matched.

exactly.... I mean why not add in that we are missing camby as well.... it is hard to see past the heart sometimes..

Bulls are good, very good potentially, we beat the heat without carmelo,now that we lose to he bulls, we would win if we had carmelo.. I mean come on.. can't we just say the bulls took us off the 3 point line, and we really had no answer... sometimes it just works that way, the other team is just better that night...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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12/9/2012  6:27 PM
NUPE wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
NUPE wrote:
tkf wrote:

true, and here is another point... the bulls are also playing without rose, who is the best player between both teams..

Knicks are playing without Melo, Amar'e and Shumpert. The Bulls are missing Rose. I think it is safe to say the Knicks are hurting more, easily. Try using logic and common-sense troll.


I don't know about that. I don't think many Bulls fans would trade Rose for those 3 even if the salaries matched.

You can spin it anyhow you like. The fact remains that the Knicks were missing several key players and are easily more injured than the Bulls. I don't even think we have come close to seeing the best this current group of Knicks can offer and wont until after the all star break.

every team and every fan feels that way bro....

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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12/9/2012  6:34 PM
tkf wrote:
NUPE wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
NUPE wrote:
tkf wrote:

true, and here is another point... the bulls are also playing without rose, who is the best player between both teams..

Knicks are playing without Melo, Amar'e and Shumpert. The Bulls are missing Rose. I think it is safe to say the Knicks are hurting more, easily. Try using logic and common-sense troll.


I don't know about that. I don't think many Bulls fans would trade Rose for those 3 even if the salaries matched.

You can spin it anyhow you like. The fact remains that the Knicks were missing several key players and are easily more injured than the Bulls. I don't even think we have come close to seeing the best this current group of Knicks can offer and wont until after the all star break.

every team and every fan feels that way bro....

Except, I have a sound basis for saying that due to the return of Amar'e and Shumpert. You on the other hand are a known clown and/or troll. LMAO!

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12/9/2012  6:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/9/2012  6:40 PM
tkf wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
NUPE wrote:
tkf wrote:

true, and here is another point... the bulls are also playing without rose, who is the best player between both teams..

Knicks are playing without Melo, Amar'e and Shumpert. The Bulls are missing Rose. I think it is safe to say the Knicks are hurting more, easily. Try using logic and common-sense troll.


I don't know about that. I don't think many Bulls fans would trade Rose for those 3 even if the salaries matched.

exactly.... I mean why not add in that we are missing camby as well.... it is hard to see past the heart sometimes..

Bulls are good, very good potentially, we beat the heat without carmelo,now that we lose to he bulls, we would win if we had carmelo.. I mean come on.. can't we just say the bulls took us off the 3 point line, and we really had no answer... sometimes it just works that way, the other team is just better that night...

I never said we would have won with or without carmelo. I simply said the Knicks were missing three key players which is true. Camby is not a key player thus I did not mention him. Your trolling act is thinly veiled at this point. LMAO!

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12/9/2012  6:55 PM
NUPE wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
NUPE wrote:
tkf wrote:

true, and here is another point... the bulls are also playing without rose, who is the best player between both teams..

Knicks are playing without Melo, Amar'e and Shumpert. The Bulls are missing Rose. I think it is safe to say the Knicks are hurting more, easily. Try using logic and common-sense troll.


I don't know about that. I don't think many Bulls fans would trade Rose for those 3 even if the salaries matched.

You can spin it anyhow you like. The fact remains that the Knicks were missing several key players and are easily more injured than the Bulls. I don't even think we have come close to seeing the best this current group of Knicks can offer and wont until after the all star break.


Yeah but two of those three guys don't even have a net positive impact. It really was Melo vs. Rose
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12/9/2012  7:06 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
NUPE wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
NUPE wrote:
tkf wrote:

true, and here is another point... the bulls are also playing without rose, who is the best player between both teams..

Knicks are playing without Melo, Amar'e and Shumpert. The Bulls are missing Rose. I think it is safe to say the Knicks are hurting more, easily. Try using logic and common-sense troll.


I don't know about that. I don't think many Bulls fans would trade Rose for those 3 even if the salaries matched.

You can spin it anyhow you like. The fact remains that the Knicks were missing several key players and are easily more injured than the Bulls. I don't even think we have come close to seeing the best this current group of Knicks can offer and wont until after the all star break.


Yeah but two of those three guys don't even have a net positive impact. It really was Melo vs. Rose

Now Amar'e and Shump don't have a positive impact. LoL! I don't even take you seriously.

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12/9/2012  7:15 PM
tkf wrote:
CashMoney wrote:Melo would have made a huge difference tonight.

Oh well, can't win em all and we're still 14-5.

and so would rose with the bulls....

We were also without Iman Shumpert, Amar'e Stoudemire and Marcus Camby.

Not to make excuses, but we're a much better basketball team when compared to Chicago. Especially when at full health.

KNICKS: 14-5
BULLS: 11-8.

The Bulls may have beat us last night, but they've lost to teams such as the Hornets, Trail Blazers, Bucks and Pacers. With or without Rose, they aren't a better team than us.

We lost the game, time to move on and/or rebound against Denver tonight.

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12/9/2012  7:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/9/2012  7:22 PM
Funny how TKF pops up after hiding under a rock during our Knicks 5 game win streak all because of a loss in which we were without Iman Shumpert, Carmelo Anthony, Amar'e Stoudemire and Marcus Camby.

Shumpert (2G), Melo (SF) and Stoudemire (PF) make for 3 of our starters.

Last night's loss just goes to show how important Melo is to our franchise/team. We don't lose that game last night, against the Bulls without Rose... With Melo leading the way.

But yea, tonight it's gonna be fun harping all over TKF after our Knicks beat his favorite team in the whole wide world... THE NUGGETS. He freaking LOVES those guys. He supports the Nuggets more than the Knicks. Years of his post count/history doesn't lie either. Was known as a Gallo/Nuggets lover over on REALGM. I see nothing has changed here on UK. He loves the Nuggets and hopes they win tonight, so he can say... "I TOLD YOU SO". Despite the fact he's already been proven wrong. Denver pretty much sucks being led by Gallo.

Melo returns and we'll win the game. Our franchise player and/or Center-Piece is on the verge of returing to lead his first seed Knicks team.

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12/9/2012  8:06 PM
NYKMentality wrote:Funny how TKF pops up after hiding under a rock during our Knicks 5 game win streak all because of a loss in which we were without Iman Shumpert, Carmelo Anthony, Amar'e Stoudemire and Marcus Camby.

Shumpert (2G), Melo (SF) and Stoudemire (PF) make for 3 of our starters.

Last night's loss just goes to show how important Melo is to our franchise/team. We don't lose that game last night, against the Bulls without Rose... With Melo leading the way.

But yea, tonight it's gonna be fun harping all over TKF after our Knicks beat his favorite team in the whole wide world... THE NUGGETS. He freaking LOVES those guys. He supports the Nuggets more than the Knicks. Years of his post count/history doesn't lie either. Was known as a Gallo/Nuggets lover over on REALGM. I see nothing has changed here on UK. He loves the Nuggets and hopes they win tonight, so he can say... "I TOLD YOU SO". Despite the fact he's already been proven wrong. Denver pretty much sucks being led by Gallo.

Melo returns and we'll win the game. Our franchise player and/or Center-Piece is on the verge of returing to lead his first seed Knicks team.

have no fear - TKF will be posting by the second if Denver wins. We all know he hopes they beat the knicks.

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