tkf wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

muhaha wrote:First let me get this fact correctly: Knicks signed Felton BEFORE the deadline to match Houston's contract!
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/jeremy-lin-deadline-approaches-raymond-felton-officially-a-knick-1.3841893

LOL@ all the people who agreed with everything Knicks FO did this off season.
Dolan's propaganda machine got some of you brainwashed! Why is Lin's contract an issue with the fans? Team is already over the cap the third year, with or without Lin's contract. It means, by signing Lin, the only thing that's affecting is Dolan's pocket. Unless you are his bookkeeper, it shouldnt be a concern for you! Cable and ticket prices wont drop because of not signing Lin.
- Second hight average ticket price in NBA
- One playoff win in the last 20 years
- One of the biggest fan bases in NBA
Should Dolan pay 45 some million for Lin in the 3rd year? Fvck yeah he should.

Why is Novak 15 million contract not an issue?
He was picked off waver last year.
He can't create his own shots.
He will never be affective without a PG who can drive and dish.
He can't defend.
He is a veteran who already reached his potential.
Lin costs 1 million more than Novak for the next two years.
Did you guy forget how he played against Miami in the playoff????????

For one lousy 3rd-year, fans cast Lin under the bus....praise to Dolan's propaganda machine! Objective achieved!

Oh yeah, BTW I totally agree that 25-game is not enough of a sample size, but that one game against Miami......

GREAT post.. I mentioned that before and no one wanted to touch on that...

Novak is the best 3pt shooter in the NBA and received a 4 year deal for $15 mil with his highest salary of a little over $4 million coming this season. He will make less than $4 million for the next 3 years of the deal. Novak costs the Knicks $2 million less over the next 2 seasons and $10 million less over the life of the contracts.

THankfully we have a PG who can get Novak the ball. He may not be able to create his own shot off the dribble but he can pump fake himself into a long range 2 from time to time. He didn't play well against Miami but he did play better in the playoffs than Lin did.

WHERE are all of the videos of novak getting shut down vs the heat? why not post that.. we are paying him 4 mil after he got cut from the spurs.. and get this.. his best ball and emergence came during linsanity...

Your argument is tainted with homerism to the ^50000, jeremy lin in a PG dominated league, or a guard dominated league is not overpaid at 24 mil or 28 mil over 4 years.... even if lin averages 14/6, that is still comparable pay.. look at what kyle lowry got from the rockets.. 24 mil...

novak is getting 15 mil over 4 years, and he is no mike miller, he is strictly a one trick pony, he isn't even shane battier. Novak doesn't defend at all.. Now I like novak, but clearly he is better in an open offense, when the ball is pushed and the defense is scrambling, he is killer.. in this half court give melo the ball, iso, jab step, jabstep, fake, spin, fake, jab step, then shoot.. he is going to be standing still and good athletic teams( like you find in the playoffs) will be able to close out on him...

again, this bashing of lin, because he is no longer here is blind homerism!

Novak's deal with the Knicks is the reason I say If Lin wanted to be here, how could have gotten a decent deal from the Knicks...If Novak fot 3.8 mil over 4 yrs..Lin could have gotten 5-6 over 4 as well....He didn't want to be here...He and his agent upped the final year to make it difficult for the Knicks to resign him....

Knicks would have matched the first offer. They telegraphed that for weeks. Told the world that. I doubt the knicks anticipated that Rockets would come in with that poison pill. Not the agent, not Lin, but Rockets.

My point is KNicks never made an offer or had an agreement. Could have shook hands on a deal and said if we get the bird rights, we'll give you 5 per year for 4 years, or what ever. They told him to get a number. So Lin got a number. A big number. MOFO came back with 15mm big old egg! Lin came home with a boatload that musta made Dolan crap his pants, get pale and sweat. Somewhere charles his fathter come wheeling in with his wheel chair, cane across his legs and slams the cane a the back of LIttle Man Jimmy and yells "greedy little turd, you managed to screw that one up too!" The little man gets a freaking gift from the gods in the form of Lin and he messed it up. How do you do that? A gift? Dumb luck! What ever. Knicks Failed.

Here is what we know: Knicks wanted him. Telegraphed it for weeks, made a spectacle of the LA dinner and had woodson tell the world he was our dog.

End result for what ever reason: Lin don't come back thus we failed. Simple. We told season ticket subscribers to reup and Lin is your pg of the future. Young kids crying about a kNick leaving. IN the Face of the Brooklyn Nets encroaching on the turf the Knicks told the world you got Lin, and simply failed without a word from management. No apology, no explaination. Just Charles Dolan beating down his loser son in the mansion of shame his son lives in.

Naturally we got homers to trying to justify the fail? You gotta be kidding me. Good thing y'all were not around when we traded Clyde to CLeveland to compensate them for our signing Jim Cleamons. Im sure you would have "good riddence Clyde! Getting too old!" kind of crap and do the "Sour Grapes" act homers are good at. Y'all would have booed willis, called Debusschere a community pick, called Bradley a WASP, and Holzmans ball sharing offense some "Socialistic Jew conspiracy" thing to keep Earls shot count down!

I hope he tears it the Phuch up! Not to spite us, just because I like the kid! Linsanity was cool not because he was asian, because he was clutch! He is still a work in progress. Sometimes you overpay for potential. Ooops, this is the Knick homer land were you overpay for the past performance.

Some of you homers talk as if the season already happend and we won 55 games.

NObody will enjoy that more than me but those games still have to be played.

Knicks take care of business then Lin, Gallo, Mozzy, or Shy Wilson is not an issue. Win and enjoy a good starphuch. Lose and be accountable for the Starphuching Dolan keeps giving you.

Dude, you really got some serious issues. Reading this post, you are nothing more than an instigator, calling people "Homers" and "Apologists" etc. Most everyone here wanted to retain Lin and yet you call them names, because they offer their view about what might have transpired during the negotiations.....or they offer a rational discussion and analysis of how the new CBA Tax situation plays into this. You condemn Dolan for making bad financial decisions in the past, and also condemn him in this case for exhibiting fiscal restraint. That is called hypocracy. You label this a Fail, yet do not know for sure if this is a "fail" since no one knows yet how Lin will perform nor how the Knicks will perform without him.

Lin could become All NBA by Year 3 and play at a Rondo level..... that's what it would take to justify his contract. In that case it is a fail for the Knicks.

then again....

Lin's knee might not hold up to a season's worth of pounding and could become arthritic and degenerative.
Defensive schemes adjust to Lin and he does not adjust adequately and performs to a much lesser level than his 25 game audition.

In the latter case, I suspect you will not come back on here and post that you were a "fail" and Dolan and all the people you called "Homers" and "Apologists" were right. The reason I suspect this is that you are still holding onto Gallo, Moz and Chandler....who have done nothing of note since leaving the Knicks.....as a condemnation of Dolan and the Knicks organization.

lol.. really? so much pressure on an undrafted player... tell me, what has carmelo done to justify his contract which is 4x that of lins? he never made all nba first team.... and we are talking about a lotter pick here..... how has he justified 20 mil?

I guess this is your I'll tap out" post.

the poster said all nba, not first team, but i guess you'll try everything to attempt a shot at a player that has nothing to do with the convo.

If you seriously believe 25 games, and a player who was scared to play in the playoffs equals a a nine year pro, has whom has never missed the playoffs as the lead dog, you're nuts.

But lets try to stick to the subject, and not let the hate influence your post next time.

Nalod wrote:

Knicks: "lin is our Staring PG."

Intentions were to sign him.

Anything less is a fail.

Lets bury the Horse. Its beaten and starting to reek rancid.

If its that important to the Dolan Nut sucking homers than ok, its all Lins fault and he didn't want to be here, and after all, he is really not that the good humble kid who can't appreciate the benevolent goodness we thought he was. He should be more soft spoken with his eyes down at the floor and spreading his "most gracious thankfulness" message for all to hear.

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

muhaha wrote:First let me get this fact correctly: Knicks signed Felton BEFORE the deadline to match Houston's contract!
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/jeremy-lin-deadline-approaches-raymond-felton-officially-a-knick-1.3841893

LOL@ all the people who agreed with everything Knicks FO did this off season.
Dolan's propaganda machine got some of you brainwashed! Why is Lin's contract an issue with the fans? Team is already over the cap the third year, with or without Lin's contract. It means, by signing Lin, the only thing that's affecting is Dolan's pocket. Unless you are his bookkeeper, it shouldnt be a concern for you! Cable and ticket prices wont drop because of not signing Lin.
- Second hight average ticket price in NBA
- One playoff win in the last 20 years
- One of the biggest fan bases in NBA
Should Dolan pay 45 some million for Lin in the 3rd year? Fvck yeah he should.

Why is Novak 15 million contract not an issue?
He was picked off waver last year.
He can't create his own shots.
He will never be affective without a PG who can drive and dish.
He can't defend.
He is a veteran who already reached his potential.
Lin costs 1 million more than Novak for the next two years.
Did you guy forget how he played against Miami in the playoff????????

For one lousy 3rd-year, fans cast Lin under the bus....praise to Dolan's propaganda machine! Objective achieved!

Oh yeah, BTW I totally agree that 25-game is not enough of a sample size, but that one game against Miami......

GREAT post.. I mentioned that before and no one wanted to touch on that...

Novak is the best 3pt shooter in the NBA and received a 4 year deal for $15 mil with his highest salary of a little over $4 million coming this season. He will make less than $4 million for the next 3 years of the deal. Novak costs the Knicks $2 million less over the next 2 seasons and $10 million less over the life of the contracts.

THankfully we have a PG who can get Novak the ball. He may not be able to create his own shot off the dribble but he can pump fake himself into a long range 2 from time to time. He didn't play well against Miami but he did play better in the playoffs than Lin did.

WHERE are all of the videos of novak getting shut down vs the heat? why not post that.. we are paying him 4 mil after he got cut from the spurs.. and get this.. his best ball and emergence came during linsanity...

Your argument is tainted with homerism to the ^50000, jeremy lin in a PG dominated league, or a guard dominated league is not overpaid at 24 mil or 28 mil over 4 years.... even if lin averages 14/6, that is still comparable pay.. look at what kyle lowry got from the rockets.. 24 mil...

novak is getting 15 mil over 4 years, and he is no mike miller, he is strictly a one trick pony, he isn't even shane battier. Novak doesn't defend at all.. Now I like novak, but clearly he is better in an open offense, when the ball is pushed and the defense is scrambling, he is killer.. in this half court give melo the ball, iso, jab step, jabstep, fake, spin, fake, jab step, then shoot.. he is going to be standing still and good athletic teams( like you find in the playoffs) will be able to close out on him...

again, this bashing of lin, because he is no longer here is blind homerism!

Novak's deal with the Knicks is the reason I say If Lin wanted to be here, how could have gotten a decent deal from the Knicks...If Novak fot 3.8 mil over 4 yrs..Lin could have gotten 5-6 over 4 as well....He didn't want to be here...He and his agent upped the final year to make it difficult for the Knicks to resign him....

Knicks would have matched the first offer. They telegraphed that for weeks. Told the world that. I doubt the knicks anticipated that Rockets would come in with that poison pill. Not the agent, not Lin, but Rockets.

My point is KNicks never made an offer or had an agreement. Could have shook hands on a deal and said if we get the bird rights, we'll give you 5 per year for 4 years, or what ever. They told him to get a number. So Lin got a number. A big number. MOFO came back with 15mm big old egg! Lin came home with a boatload that musta made Dolan crap his pants, get pale and sweat. Somewhere charles his fathter come wheeling in with his wheel chair, cane across his legs and slams the cane a the back of LIttle Man Jimmy and yells "greedy little turd, you managed to screw that one up too!" The little man gets a freaking gift from the gods in the form of Lin and he messed it up. How do you do that? A gift? Dumb luck! What ever. Knicks Failed.

Here is what we know: Knicks wanted him. Telegraphed it for weeks, made a spectacle of the LA dinner and had woodson tell the world he was our dog.

End result for what ever reason: Lin don't come back thus we failed. Simple. We told season ticket subscribers to reup and Lin is your pg of the future. Young kids crying about a kNick leaving. IN the Face of the Brooklyn Nets encroaching on the turf the Knicks told the world you got Lin, and simply failed without a word from management. No apology, no explaination. Just Charles Dolan beating down his loser son in the mansion of shame his son lives in.

Naturally we got homers to trying to justify the fail? You gotta be kidding me. Good thing y'all were not around when we traded Clyde to CLeveland to compensate them for our signing Jim Cleamons. Im sure you would have "good riddence Clyde! Getting too old!" kind of crap and do the "Sour Grapes" act homers are good at. Y'all would have booed willis, called Debusschere a community pick, called Bradley a WASP, and Holzmans ball sharing offense some "Socialistic Jew conspiracy" thing to keep Earls shot count down!

I hope he tears it the Phuch up! Not to spite us, just because I like the kid! Linsanity was cool not because he was asian, because he was clutch! He is still a work in progress. Sometimes you overpay for potential. Ooops, this is the Knick homer land were you overpay for the past performance.

Some of you homers talk as if the season already happend and we won 55 games.

NObody will enjoy that more than me but those games still have to be played.

Knicks take care of business then Lin, Gallo, Mozzy, or Shy Wilson is not an issue. Win and enjoy a good starphuch. Lose and be accountable for the Starphuching Dolan keeps giving you.

Dude, you really got some serious issues. Reading this post, you are nothing more than an instigator, calling people "Homers" and "Apologists" etc. Most everyone here wanted to retain Lin and yet you call them names, because they offer their view about what might have transpired during the negotiations.....or they offer a rational discussion and analysis of how the new CBA Tax situation plays into this. You condemn Dolan for making bad financial decisions in the past, and also condemn him in this case for exhibiting fiscal restraint. That is called hypocracy. You label this a Fail, yet do not know for sure if this is a "fail" since no one knows yet how Lin will perform nor how the Knicks will perform without him.

Lin could become All NBA by Year 3 and play at a Rondo level..... that's what it would take to justify his contract. In that case it is a fail for the Knicks.

then again....

Lin's knee might not hold up to a season's worth of pounding and could become arthritic and degenerative.
Defensive schemes adjust to Lin and he does not adjust adequately and performs to a much lesser level than his 25 game audition.

In the latter case, I suspect you will not come back on here and post that you were a "fail" and Dolan and all the people you called "Homers" and "Apologists" were right. The reason I suspect this is that you are still holding onto Gallo, Moz and Chandler....who have done nothing of note since leaving the Knicks.....as a condemnation of Dolan and the Knicks organization.

lol.. really? so much pressure on an undrafted player... tell me, what has carmelo done to justify his contract which is 4x that of lins? he never made all nba first team.... and we are talking about a lotter pick here..... how has he justified 20 mil?

I guess this is your I'll tap out" post.

the poster said all nba, not first team, but i guess you'll try everything to attempt a shot at a player that has nothing to do with the convo.

If you seriously believe 25 games, and a player who was scared to play in the playoffs equals a a nine year pro, has whom has never missed the playoffs as the lead dog, you're nuts.

But lets try to stick to the subject, and not let the hate influence your post next time.

AND IF YOU THINK a player has to produce rondo type performance to justify a 28 mil deal, then you are nuts.....

tap out? please, you guys have been bumbling around all thread long.....

this really was an open and shut case from the start

knicks fail..

the end...

and yeah in that third year if we still had lin, he should be running the show like a true pg, that's the rondo comparison i see.

I don't think anyone disagrees with the knicks failing in this, but i don't think they really wanted lin back, unless it was for cheap.

The Knicks made a great business and basketball decision and executed nicely by not going for the "poison pill" and instead went out and signed 2 quality floor generals who can play defense and not turn the ball over a million times.

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

muhaha wrote:First let me get this fact correctly: Knicks signed Felton BEFORE the deadline to match Houston's contract!
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/jeremy-lin-deadline-approaches-raymond-felton-officially-a-knick-1.3841893

LOL@ all the people who agreed with everything Knicks FO did this off season.
Dolan's propaganda machine got some of you brainwashed! Why is Lin's contract an issue with the fans? Team is already over the cap the third year, with or without Lin's contract. It means, by signing Lin, the only thing that's affecting is Dolan's pocket. Unless you are his bookkeeper, it shouldnt be a concern for you! Cable and ticket prices wont drop because of not signing Lin.
- Second hight average ticket price in NBA
- One playoff win in the last 20 years
- One of the biggest fan bases in NBA
Should Dolan pay 45 some million for Lin in the 3rd year? Fvck yeah he should.

Why is Novak 15 million contract not an issue?
He was picked off waver last year.
He can't create his own shots.
He will never be affective without a PG who can drive and dish.
He can't defend.
He is a veteran who already reached his potential.
Lin costs 1 million more than Novak for the next two years.
Did you guy forget how he played against Miami in the playoff????????

For one lousy 3rd-year, fans cast Lin under the bus....praise to Dolan's propaganda machine! Objective achieved!

Oh yeah, BTW I totally agree that 25-game is not enough of a sample size, but that one game against Miami......

GREAT post.. I mentioned that before and no one wanted to touch on that...

Novak is the best 3pt shooter in the NBA and received a 4 year deal for $15 mil with his highest salary of a little over $4 million coming this season. He will make less than $4 million for the next 3 years of the deal. Novak costs the Knicks $2 million less over the next 2 seasons and $10 million less over the life of the contracts.

THankfully we have a PG who can get Novak the ball. He may not be able to create his own shot off the dribble but he can pump fake himself into a long range 2 from time to time. He didn't play well against Miami but he did play better in the playoffs than Lin did.

WHERE are all of the videos of novak getting shut down vs the heat? why not post that.. we are paying him 4 mil after he got cut from the spurs.. and get this.. his best ball and emergence came during linsanity...

Your argument is tainted with homerism to the ^50000, jeremy lin in a PG dominated league, or a guard dominated league is not overpaid at 24 mil or 28 mil over 4 years.... even if lin averages 14/6, that is still comparable pay.. look at what kyle lowry got from the rockets.. 24 mil...

novak is getting 15 mil over 4 years, and he is no mike miller, he is strictly a one trick pony, he isn't even shane battier. Novak doesn't defend at all.. Now I like novak, but clearly he is better in an open offense, when the ball is pushed and the defense is scrambling, he is killer.. in this half court give melo the ball, iso, jab step, jabstep, fake, spin, fake, jab step, then shoot.. he is going to be standing still and good athletic teams( like you find in the playoffs) will be able to close out on him...

again, this bashing of lin, because he is no longer here is blind homerism!

Novak's deal with the Knicks is the reason I say If Lin wanted to be here, how could have gotten a decent deal from the Knicks...If Novak fot 3.8 mil over 4 yrs..Lin could have gotten 5-6 over 4 as well....He didn't want to be here...He and his agent upped the final year to make it difficult for the Knicks to resign him....

Knicks would have matched the first offer. They telegraphed that for weeks. Told the world that. I doubt the knicks anticipated that Rockets would come in with that poison pill. Not the agent, not Lin, but Rockets.

My point is KNicks never made an offer or had an agreement. Could have shook hands on a deal and said if we get the bird rights, we'll give you 5 per year for 4 years, or what ever. They told him to get a number. So Lin got a number. A big number. MOFO came back with 15mm big old egg! Lin came home with a boatload that musta made Dolan crap his pants, get pale and sweat. Somewhere charles his fathter come wheeling in with his wheel chair, cane across his legs and slams the cane a the back of LIttle Man Jimmy and yells "greedy little turd, you managed to screw that one up too!" The little man gets a freaking gift from the gods in the form of Lin and he messed it up. How do you do that? A gift? Dumb luck! What ever. Knicks Failed.

Here is what we know: Knicks wanted him. Telegraphed it for weeks, made a spectacle of the LA dinner and had woodson tell the world he was our dog.

End result for what ever reason: Lin don't come back thus we failed. Simple. We told season ticket subscribers to reup and Lin is your pg of the future. Young kids crying about a kNick leaving. IN the Face of the Brooklyn Nets encroaching on the turf the Knicks told the world you got Lin, and simply failed without a word from management. No apology, no explaination. Just Charles Dolan beating down his loser son in the mansion of shame his son lives in.

Naturally we got homers to trying to justify the fail? You gotta be kidding me. Good thing y'all were not around when we traded Clyde to CLeveland to compensate them for our signing Jim Cleamons. Im sure you would have "good riddence Clyde! Getting too old!" kind of crap and do the "Sour Grapes" act homers are good at. Y'all would have booed willis, called Debusschere a community pick, called Bradley a WASP, and Holzmans ball sharing offense some "Socialistic Jew conspiracy" thing to keep Earls shot count down!

I hope he tears it the Phuch up! Not to spite us, just because I like the kid! Linsanity was cool not because he was asian, because he was clutch! He is still a work in progress. Sometimes you overpay for potential. Ooops, this is the Knick homer land were you overpay for the past performance.

Some of you homers talk as if the season already happend and we won 55 games.

NObody will enjoy that more than me but those games still have to be played.

Knicks take care of business then Lin, Gallo, Mozzy, or Shy Wilson is not an issue. Win and enjoy a good starphuch. Lose and be accountable for the Starphuching Dolan keeps giving you.

Dude, you really got some serious issues. Reading this post, you are nothing more than an instigator, calling people "Homers" and "Apologists" etc. Most everyone here wanted to retain Lin and yet you call them names, because they offer their view about what might have transpired during the negotiations.....or they offer a rational discussion and analysis of how the new CBA Tax situation plays into this. You condemn Dolan for making bad financial decisions in the past, and also condemn him in this case for exhibiting fiscal restraint. That is called hypocracy. You label this a Fail, yet do not know for sure if this is a "fail" since no one knows yet how Lin will perform nor how the Knicks will perform without him.

Lin could become All NBA by Year 3 and play at a Rondo level..... that's what it would take to justify his contract. In that case it is a fail for the Knicks.

then again....

Lin's knee might not hold up to a season's worth of pounding and could become arthritic and degenerative.
Defensive schemes adjust to Lin and he does not adjust adequately and performs to a much lesser level than his 25 game audition.

In the latter case, I suspect you will not come back on here and post that you were a "fail" and Dolan and all the people you called "Homers" and "Apologists" were right. The reason I suspect this is that you are still holding onto Gallo, Moz and Chandler....who have done nothing of note since leaving the Knicks.....as a condemnation of Dolan and the Knicks organization.

lol.. really? so much pressure on an undrafted player... tell me, what has carmelo done to justify his contract which is 4x that of lins? he never made all nba first team.... and we are talking about a lotter pick here..... how has he justified 20 mil?

I guess this is your I'll tap out" post.

the poster said all nba, not first team, but i guess you'll try everything to attempt a shot at a player that has nothing to do with the convo.

If you seriously believe 25 games, and a player who was scared to play in the playoffs equals a a nine year pro, has whom has never missed the playoffs as the lead dog, you're nuts.

But lets try to stick to the subject, and not let the hate influence your post next time.

AND IF YOU THINK a player has to produce rondo type performance to justify a 28 mil deal, then you are nuts.....

tap out? please, you guys have been bumbling around all thread long.....

this really was an open and shut case from the start

knicks fail..

the end...

yeah, you tapped out when you brought up a player that has nothing to do with the discussion.

and yeah in that third year if we still had lin, he should be running the show like a true pg, that's the rondo comparison i see.

I don't think anyone disagrees with the knicks failing in this, but i don't think they really wanted lin back, unless it was for cheap.

actually that wasn't a tap out.. just a little perspective... expectations for lin are all nba status to justify making 5 mil a year.... expectations for our so called "stars" seem to be a lot less and they make 4x that amount.... it is relative to this conversation..

and no they don't apply because they aren't even part of the thread.

15 million from your point had better be elite, it's silly to think otherwise, as that's what the elite pg's are paid.

Nalod wrote:

Knicks: "lin is our Staring PG."

Intentions were to sign him.

Anything less is a fail.

Lets bury the Horse. Its beaten and starting to reek rancid.

If its that important to the Dolan Nut sucking homers than ok, its all Lins fault and he didn't want to be here, and after all, he is really not that the good humble kid who can't appreciate the benevolent goodness we thought he was. He should be more soft spoken with his eyes down at the floor and spreading his "most gracious thankfulness" message for all to hear.

Who's the biggest Dolan Nut Sucker of them all?

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

muhaha wrote:First let me get this fact correctly: Knicks signed Felton BEFORE the deadline to match Houston's contract!
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/jeremy-lin-deadline-approaches-raymond-felton-officially-a-knick-1.3841893

LOL@ all the people who agreed with everything Knicks FO did this off season.
Dolan's propaganda machine got some of you brainwashed! Why is Lin's contract an issue with the fans? Team is already over the cap the third year, with or without Lin's contract. It means, by signing Lin, the only thing that's affecting is Dolan's pocket. Unless you are his bookkeeper, it shouldnt be a concern for you! Cable and ticket prices wont drop because of not signing Lin.
- Second hight average ticket price in NBA
- One playoff win in the last 20 years
- One of the biggest fan bases in NBA
Should Dolan pay 45 some million for Lin in the 3rd year? Fvck yeah he should.

Why is Novak 15 million contract not an issue?
He was picked off waver last year.
He can't create his own shots.
He will never be affective without a PG who can drive and dish.
He can't defend.
He is a veteran who already reached his potential.
Lin costs 1 million more than Novak for the next two years.
Did you guy forget how he played against Miami in the playoff????????

For one lousy 3rd-year, fans cast Lin under the bus....praise to Dolan's propaganda machine! Objective achieved!

Oh yeah, BTW I totally agree that 25-game is not enough of a sample size, but that one game against Miami......

GREAT post.. I mentioned that before and no one wanted to touch on that...

Novak is the best 3pt shooter in the NBA and received a 4 year deal for $15 mil with his highest salary of a little over $4 million coming this season. He will make less than $4 million for the next 3 years of the deal. Novak costs the Knicks $2 million less over the next 2 seasons and $10 million less over the life of the contracts.

THankfully we have a PG who can get Novak the ball. He may not be able to create his own shot off the dribble but he can pump fake himself into a long range 2 from time to time. He didn't play well against Miami but he did play better in the playoffs than Lin did.

WHERE are all of the videos of novak getting shut down vs the heat? why not post that.. we are paying him 4 mil after he got cut from the spurs.. and get this.. his best ball and emergence came during linsanity...

Your argument is tainted with homerism to the ^50000, jeremy lin in a PG dominated league, or a guard dominated league is not overpaid at 24 mil or 28 mil over 4 years.... even if lin averages 14/6, that is still comparable pay.. look at what kyle lowry got from the rockets.. 24 mil...

novak is getting 15 mil over 4 years, and he is no mike miller, he is strictly a one trick pony, he isn't even shane battier. Novak doesn't defend at all.. Now I like novak, but clearly he is better in an open offense, when the ball is pushed and the defense is scrambling, he is killer.. in this half court give melo the ball, iso, jab step, jabstep, fake, spin, fake, jab step, then shoot.. he is going to be standing still and good athletic teams( like you find in the playoffs) will be able to close out on him...

again, this bashing of lin, because he is no longer here is blind homerism!

Novak's deal with the Knicks is the reason I say If Lin wanted to be here, how could have gotten a decent deal from the Knicks...If Novak fot 3.8 mil over 4 yrs..Lin could have gotten 5-6 over 4 as well....He didn't want to be here...He and his agent upped the final year to make it difficult for the Knicks to resign him....

Knicks would have matched the first offer. They telegraphed that for weeks. Told the world that. I doubt the knicks anticipated that Rockets would come in with that poison pill. Not the agent, not Lin, but Rockets.

My point is KNicks never made an offer or had an agreement. Could have shook hands on a deal and said if we get the bird rights, we'll give you 5 per year for 4 years, or what ever. They told him to get a number. So Lin got a number. A big number. MOFO came back with 15mm big old egg! Lin came home with a boatload that musta made Dolan crap his pants, get pale and sweat. Somewhere charles his fathter come wheeling in with his wheel chair, cane across his legs and slams the cane a the back of LIttle Man Jimmy and yells "greedy little turd, you managed to screw that one up too!" The little man gets a freaking gift from the gods in the form of Lin and he messed it up. How do you do that? A gift? Dumb luck! What ever. Knicks Failed.

Here is what we know: Knicks wanted him. Telegraphed it for weeks, made a spectacle of the LA dinner and had woodson tell the world he was our dog.

End result for what ever reason: Lin don't come back thus we failed. Simple. We told season ticket subscribers to reup and Lin is your pg of the future. Young kids crying about a kNick leaving. IN the Face of the Brooklyn Nets encroaching on the turf the Knicks told the world you got Lin, and simply failed without a word from management. No apology, no explaination. Just Charles Dolan beating down his loser son in the mansion of shame his son lives in.

Naturally we got homers to trying to justify the fail? You gotta be kidding me. Good thing y'all were not around when we traded Clyde to CLeveland to compensate them for our signing Jim Cleamons. Im sure you would have "good riddence Clyde! Getting too old!" kind of crap and do the "Sour Grapes" act homers are good at. Y'all would have booed willis, called Debusschere a community pick, called Bradley a WASP, and Holzmans ball sharing offense some "Socialistic Jew conspiracy" thing to keep Earls shot count down!

I hope he tears it the Phuch up! Not to spite us, just because I like the kid! Linsanity was cool not because he was asian, because he was clutch! He is still a work in progress. Sometimes you overpay for potential. Ooops, this is the Knick homer land were you overpay for the past performance.

Some of you homers talk as if the season already happend and we won 55 games.

NObody will enjoy that more than me but those games still have to be played.

Knicks take care of business then Lin, Gallo, Mozzy, or Shy Wilson is not an issue. Win and enjoy a good starphuch. Lose and be accountable for the Starphuching Dolan keeps giving you.

Dude, you really got some serious issues. Reading this post, you are nothing more than an instigator, calling people "Homers" and "Apologists" etc. Most everyone here wanted to retain Lin and yet you call them names, because they offer their view about what might have transpired during the negotiations.....or they offer a rational discussion and analysis of how the new CBA Tax situation plays into this. You condemn Dolan for making bad financial decisions in the past, and also condemn him in this case for exhibiting fiscal restraint. That is called hypocracy. You label this a Fail, yet do not know for sure if this is a "fail" since no one knows yet how Lin will perform nor how the Knicks will perform without him.

Lin could become All NBA by Year 3 and play at a Rondo level..... that's what it would take to justify his contract. In that case it is a fail for the Knicks.

then again....

Lin's knee might not hold up to a season's worth of pounding and could become arthritic and degenerative.
Defensive schemes adjust to Lin and he does not adjust adequately and performs to a much lesser level than his 25 game audition.

In the latter case, I suspect you will not come back on here and post that you were a "fail" and Dolan and all the people you called "Homers" and "Apologists" were right. The reason I suspect this is that you are still holding onto Gallo, Moz and Chandler....who have done nothing of note since leaving the Knicks.....as a condemnation of Dolan and the Knicks organization.

lol.. really? so much pressure on an undrafted player... tell me, what has carmelo done to justify his contract which is 4x that of lins? he never made all nba first team.... and we are talking about a lotter pick here..... how has he justified 20 mil?

I guess this is your I'll tap out" post.

the poster said all nba, not first team, but i guess you'll try everything to attempt a shot at a player that has nothing to do with the convo.

If you seriously believe 25 games, and a player who was scared to play in the playoffs equals a a nine year pro, has whom has never missed the playoffs as the lead dog, you're nuts.

But lets try to stick to the subject, and not let the hate influence your post next time.

Could not be said any better!

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

muhaha wrote:First let me get this fact correctly: Knicks signed Felton BEFORE the deadline to match Houston's contract!
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/jeremy-lin-deadline-approaches-raymond-felton-officially-a-knick-1.3841893

LOL@ all the people who agreed with everything Knicks FO did this off season.
Dolan's propaganda machine got some of you brainwashed! Why is Lin's contract an issue with the fans? Team is already over the cap the third year, with or without Lin's contract. It means, by signing Lin, the only thing that's affecting is Dolan's pocket. Unless you are his bookkeeper, it shouldnt be a concern for you! Cable and ticket prices wont drop because of not signing Lin.
- Second hight average ticket price in NBA
- One playoff win in the last 20 years
- One of the biggest fan bases in NBA
Should Dolan pay 45 some million for Lin in the 3rd year? Fvck yeah he should.

Why is Novak 15 million contract not an issue?
He was picked off waver last year.
He can't create his own shots.
He will never be affective without a PG who can drive and dish.
He can't defend.
He is a veteran who already reached his potential.
Lin costs 1 million more than Novak for the next two years.
Did you guy forget how he played against Miami in the playoff????????

For one lousy 3rd-year, fans cast Lin under the bus....praise to Dolan's propaganda machine! Objective achieved!

Oh yeah, BTW I totally agree that 25-game is not enough of a sample size, but that one game against Miami......

GREAT post.. I mentioned that before and no one wanted to touch on that...

Novak is the best 3pt shooter in the NBA and received a 4 year deal for $15 mil with his highest salary of a little over $4 million coming this season. He will make less than $4 million for the next 3 years of the deal. Novak costs the Knicks $2 million less over the next 2 seasons and $10 million less over the life of the contracts.

THankfully we have a PG who can get Novak the ball. He may not be able to create his own shot off the dribble but he can pump fake himself into a long range 2 from time to time. He didn't play well against Miami but he did play better in the playoffs than Lin did.

WHERE are all of the videos of novak getting shut down vs the heat? why not post that.. we are paying him 4 mil after he got cut from the spurs.. and get this.. his best ball and emergence came during linsanity...

Your argument is tainted with homerism to the ^50000, jeremy lin in a PG dominated league, or a guard dominated league is not overpaid at 24 mil or 28 mil over 4 years.... even if lin averages 14/6, that is still comparable pay.. look at what kyle lowry got from the rockets.. 24 mil...

novak is getting 15 mil over 4 years, and he is no mike miller, he is strictly a one trick pony, he isn't even shane battier. Novak doesn't defend at all.. Now I like novak, but clearly he is better in an open offense, when the ball is pushed and the defense is scrambling, he is killer.. in this half court give melo the ball, iso, jab step, jabstep, fake, spin, fake, jab step, then shoot.. he is going to be standing still and good athletic teams( like you find in the playoffs) will be able to close out on him...

again, this bashing of lin, because he is no longer here is blind homerism!

Novak's deal with the Knicks is the reason I say If Lin wanted to be here, how could have gotten a decent deal from the Knicks...If Novak fot 3.8 mil over 4 yrs..Lin could have gotten 5-6 over 4 as well....He didn't want to be here...He and his agent upped the final year to make it difficult for the Knicks to resign him....

Knicks would have matched the first offer. They telegraphed that for weeks. Told the world that. I doubt the knicks anticipated that Rockets would come in with that poison pill. Not the agent, not Lin, but Rockets.

My point is KNicks never made an offer or had an agreement. Could have shook hands on a deal and said if we get the bird rights, we'll give you 5 per year for 4 years, or what ever. They told him to get a number. So Lin got a number. A big number. MOFO came back with 15mm big old egg! Lin came home with a boatload that musta made Dolan crap his pants, get pale and sweat. Somewhere charles his fathter come wheeling in with his wheel chair, cane across his legs and slams the cane a the back of LIttle Man Jimmy and yells "greedy little turd, you managed to screw that one up too!" The little man gets a freaking gift from the gods in the form of Lin and he messed it up. How do you do that? A gift? Dumb luck! What ever. Knicks Failed.

Here is what we know: Knicks wanted him. Telegraphed it for weeks, made a spectacle of the LA dinner and had woodson tell the world he was our dog.

End result for what ever reason: Lin don't come back thus we failed. Simple. We told season ticket subscribers to reup and Lin is your pg of the future. Young kids crying about a kNick leaving. IN the Face of the Brooklyn Nets encroaching on the turf the Knicks told the world you got Lin, and simply failed without a word from management. No apology, no explaination. Just Charles Dolan beating down his loser son in the mansion of shame his son lives in.

Naturally we got homers to trying to justify the fail? You gotta be kidding me. Good thing y'all were not around when we traded Clyde to CLeveland to compensate them for our signing Jim Cleamons. Im sure you would have "good riddence Clyde! Getting too old!" kind of crap and do the "Sour Grapes" act homers are good at. Y'all would have booed willis, called Debusschere a community pick, called Bradley a WASP, and Holzmans ball sharing offense some "Socialistic Jew conspiracy" thing to keep Earls shot count down!

I hope he tears it the Phuch up! Not to spite us, just because I like the kid! Linsanity was cool not because he was asian, because he was clutch! He is still a work in progress. Sometimes you overpay for potential. Ooops, this is the Knick homer land were you overpay for the past performance.

Some of you homers talk as if the season already happend and we won 55 games.

NObody will enjoy that more than me but those games still have to be played.

Knicks take care of business then Lin, Gallo, Mozzy, or Shy Wilson is not an issue. Win and enjoy a good starphuch. Lose and be accountable for the Starphuching Dolan keeps giving you.

However, to suggest that a guy that backed out of playing for the USA Select team because of his pending free agency and hired a new agent was planning on signing the 5 mil per that was the Max the Knicks could offer is a mistake. I don't think Lin does that handshake deal. I don't think he feels unappreciated when the Knicks tell him we can't pay you what your worth but we can match market value. Personally I think that is being as frank and forthcoming as a team could be in a negotiation. Its a new cba. The Knicks didn't trade Clyde to Cleveland Lin signed a contract with a poison pill. Posters taking a rational perspective on this suddenly become blind fans because they can't understand why the franchise wouldn't just swallow the 'poison pill'? It seems like you want to throw a lot of drama into one post with your mention of Gallo, Wilson, and Moz in a post about Lin's contract. Is this about owners and your preference for Prokorhov or are you just being provocative and trying to stir things up?

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

muhaha wrote:First let me get this fact correctly: Knicks signed Felton BEFORE the deadline to match Houston's contract!
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/jeremy-lin-deadline-approaches-raymond-felton-officially-a-knick-1.3841893

LOL@ all the people who agreed with everything Knicks FO did this off season.
Dolan's propaganda machine got some of you brainwashed! Why is Lin's contract an issue with the fans? Team is already over the cap the third year, with or without Lin's contract. It means, by signing Lin, the only thing that's affecting is Dolan's pocket. Unless you are his bookkeeper, it shouldnt be a concern for you! Cable and ticket prices wont drop because of not signing Lin.
- Second hight average ticket price in NBA
- One playoff win in the last 20 years
- One of the biggest fan bases in NBA
Should Dolan pay 45 some million for Lin in the 3rd year? Fvck yeah he should.

Why is Novak 15 million contract not an issue?
He was picked off waver last year.
He can't create his own shots.
He will never be affective without a PG who can drive and dish.
He can't defend.
He is a veteran who already reached his potential.
Lin costs 1 million more than Novak for the next two years.
Did you guy forget how he played against Miami in the playoff????????

For one lousy 3rd-year, fans cast Lin under the bus....praise to Dolan's propaganda machine! Objective achieved!

Oh yeah, BTW I totally agree that 25-game is not enough of a sample size, but that one game against Miami......

GREAT post.. I mentioned that before and no one wanted to touch on that...

Novak is the best 3pt shooter in the NBA and received a 4 year deal for $15 mil with his highest salary of a little over $4 million coming this season. He will make less than $4 million for the next 3 years of the deal. Novak costs the Knicks $2 million less over the next 2 seasons and $10 million less over the life of the contracts.

THankfully we have a PG who can get Novak the ball. He may not be able to create his own shot off the dribble but he can pump fake himself into a long range 2 from time to time. He didn't play well against Miami but he did play better in the playoffs than Lin did.

WHERE are all of the videos of novak getting shut down vs the heat? why not post that.. we are paying him 4 mil after he got cut from the spurs.. and get this.. his best ball and emergence came during linsanity...

Your argument is tainted with homerism to the ^50000, jeremy lin in a PG dominated league, or a guard dominated league is not overpaid at 24 mil or 28 mil over 4 years.... even if lin averages 14/6, that is still comparable pay.. look at what kyle lowry got from the rockets.. 24 mil...

novak is getting 15 mil over 4 years, and he is no mike miller, he is strictly a one trick pony, he isn't even shane battier. Novak doesn't defend at all.. Now I like novak, but clearly he is better in an open offense, when the ball is pushed and the defense is scrambling, he is killer.. in this half court give melo the ball, iso, jab step, jabstep, fake, spin, fake, jab step, then shoot.. he is going to be standing still and good athletic teams( like you find in the playoffs) will be able to close out on him...

again, this bashing of lin, because he is no longer here is blind homerism!

Novak's deal with the Knicks is the reason I say If Lin wanted to be here, how could have gotten a decent deal from the Knicks...If Novak fot 3.8 mil over 4 yrs..Lin could have gotten 5-6 over 4 as well....He didn't want to be here...He and his agent upped the final year to make it difficult for the Knicks to resign him....

Knicks would have matched the first offer. They telegraphed that for weeks. Told the world that. I doubt the knicks anticipated that Rockets would come in with that poison pill. Not the agent, not Lin, but Rockets.

My point is KNicks never made an offer or had an agreement. Could have shook hands on a deal and said if we get the bird rights, we'll give you 5 per year for 4 years, or what ever. They told him to get a number. So Lin got a number. A big number. MOFO came back with 15mm big old egg! Lin came home with a boatload that musta made Dolan crap his pants, get pale and sweat. Somewhere charles his fathter come wheeling in with his wheel chair, cane across his legs and slams the cane a the back of LIttle Man Jimmy and yells "greedy little turd, you managed to screw that one up too!" The little man gets a freaking gift from the gods in the form of Lin and he messed it up. How do you do that? A gift? Dumb luck! What ever. Knicks Failed.

Here is what we know: Knicks wanted him. Telegraphed it for weeks, made a spectacle of the LA dinner and had woodson tell the world he was our dog.

End result for what ever reason: Lin don't come back thus we failed. Simple. We told season ticket subscribers to reup and Lin is your pg of the future. Young kids crying about a kNick leaving. IN the Face of the Brooklyn Nets encroaching on the turf the Knicks told the world you got Lin, and simply failed without a word from management. No apology, no explaination. Just Charles Dolan beating down his loser son in the mansion of shame his son lives in.

Naturally we got homers to trying to justify the fail? You gotta be kidding me. Good thing y'all were not around when we traded Clyde to CLeveland to compensate them for our signing Jim Cleamons. Im sure you would have "good riddence Clyde! Getting too old!" kind of crap and do the "Sour Grapes" act homers are good at. Y'all would have booed willis, called Debusschere a community pick, called Bradley a WASP, and Holzmans ball sharing offense some "Socialistic Jew conspiracy" thing to keep Earls shot count down!

I hope he tears it the Phuch up! Not to spite us, just because I like the kid! Linsanity was cool not because he was asian, because he was clutch! He is still a work in progress. Sometimes you overpay for potential. Ooops, this is the Knick homer land were you overpay for the past performance.

Some of you homers talk as if the season already happend and we won 55 games.

NObody will enjoy that more than me but those games still have to be played.

Knicks take care of business then Lin, Gallo, Mozzy, or Shy Wilson is not an issue. Win and enjoy a good starphuch. Lose and be accountable for the Starphuching Dolan keeps giving you.

You really need to go to other stuff and read Larry Coon's explanation of the salary cap. You post this long winded drivel showing your ignorance or attempt to be provocative. Most here know their sh@t and that Lin was down for more than the Knicks could offer. The knicks knew that as well and that was why they told him to find market value. Unfortunatley there is a knew cba that really sucks in year three and the rockets were aware of that and of the Knicks salaries. Lin wan't signing for 5 mil per and the Knicks knew that and didn't expect him to. They knew he was worth more but needed another team to facilitate the contract because they could only offer 5 mil. They didn't anticipate the poison pill that Hou offered Lin.

However, to suggest that a guy that backed out of playing for the USA Select team because of his pending free agency and hired a new agent was planning on signing the 5 mil per that was the Max the Knicks could offer is a mistake. I don't think Lin does that handshake deal. I don't think he feels unappreciated when the Knicks tell him we can't pay you what your worth but we can match market value. Personally I think that is being as frank and forthcoming as a team could be in a negotiation. Its a new cba. The Knicks didn't trade Clyde to Cleveland Lin signed a contract with a poison pill. Posters taking a rational perspective on this suddenly become blind fans because they can't understand why the franchise wouldn't just swallow the 'poison pill'? It seems like you want to throw a lot of drama into one post with your mention of Gallo, Wilson, and Moz in a post about Lin's contract. Is this about owners and your preference for Prokorhov or are you just being provocative and trying to stir things up?

IT SEEMS like you are trying to make this out to be some, great and sound, well thought out business decision by the knicks.. LOL.. far from the truth.. to hell with the poison pill, that is 3 years down the road.. the fact that the knicks gave felton, kidd and novak all 3 year deals shows that they are not that concerned with the luxury tax in year 3.. heck they gave camby 3 years as well.. why not just 2 year deals, especially for the older guys?

when fans get over the sour grapes mentality, and look beyond the surface it is clear and evident that this was not some smart business decision, but a personal, "I will show you" decision by dolan and his moron underlings.... If the knicks didn't anticipate the "poison" pill then we are dumber as an organization as I thought.. Houston thought of it, but not us? it would have hurt nothing to offer lin a deal, let him decline.. and honestly, this poison pill crap, we had 3 years to deal with that.. heck we could move lin in year 2 if we wanted.... but we didn't match, so we are left with none of those options..

not smart by any stretch of the imagination...

the knicks made it known they were moving on, when they courted Nash, Lin was never really in the plans.

smackeddog wrote:Just as a side note about a point TKF made- the reason we gave 3 year deals to Camby and Felton is that that is the minimum length you can give a player acquired via a sign and trade. Why we gave 3 years to Kidd, I have absolutely no idea though- maybe he agreed to retire after 2 if he's ineffective.

Camby's deal is basically 2 years, with only a small amount guaranteed for the third- like I said it was just done that way because 3yrs is the least we could offer (plus it'll be a nice trade chip in the third year).

According to hoopshype Felton actually has a four year deal.