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AnubisADL
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7/14/2012  10:01 PM
LOL blaming Woodson? Shumpert got plenty of burn.

Lin turned the ball over alot.

Dudes used to D ride Collison because he put up stats while Chris Paul was out and hes been traded twice already.

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7/14/2012  10:02 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Seth Rosenthal ‏@seth_rosenthal
RT @SpearsNBAYahoo: Rockets found loophole that would cost them $8 million on third year of Lin offer sheet and Knicks $15 million
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HOW THE F@CK DOES THIS LOOP HOLE EXISt?!?!?!!?!? WHAT THE FUUUUCK> I AM FURIOUS. WHAT THE HELL


What does that mean? The Rockets are paying Lin only $8 mil in year 3 but the Knicks would have to offer $15 mil in order to match? I don't understand.
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7/14/2012  10:03 PM
crzymdups wrote:
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RT @SpearsNBAYahoo: Rockets found loophole that would cost them $8 million on third year of Lin offer sheet and Knicks $15 million
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HOW THE F@CK DOES THIS LOOP HOLE EXISt?!?!?!!?!? WHAT THE FUUUUCK> I AM FURIOUS. WHAT THE HELL

We covered this before. The team that offers the deal can apparently avergae the total contract out over the duration of te contract. The team with the bird rights has to follow the league maximum rules. Makes no sense but here it is.

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7/14/2012  10:03 PM
This is the most bizarre story. Seriously.

I don't love the fact that the Lin contract changed but this is silly- they still have to match it.
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7/14/2012  10:04 PM
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JamesKPolk wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:I dont understand how this is the Knicks organizations fault?

He could have showed the Houston offer to NY WITHOUT signing it. No one put a gun to Lin's head to sign that deal. He chose to sign it knowing the Knicks possibly wouldn't match.

It's that simple.

Are you dense, bro? The Knicks wanted him to sign an offer sheet to test his market value. If anything, the Knicks weren't aggressive in wanting him back. They went after Nash, Kidd and Felton instead of engaging him.

This is a guy who wanted Isiah to stay and us to get Gilbert Arenas.

For the millionth time I wanted Arenas bad contract ALONG WITH McGee and their pick.

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7/14/2012  10:04 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
loweyecue wrote:
JamesKPolk wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:I dont understand how this is the Knicks organizations fault?

He could have showed the Houston offer to NY WITHOUT signing it. No one put a gun to Lin's head to sign that deal. He chose to sign it knowing the Knicks possibly wouldn't match.

It's that simple.

Are you dense, bro? The Knicks wanted him to sign an offer sheet to test his market value. If anything, the Knicks weren't aggressive in wanting him back. They went after Nash, Kidd and Felton instead of engaging him.

This is a guy who wanted Isiah to stay and us to get Gilbert Arenas.

For the millionth time I wanted Arenas bad contract ALONG WITH McGee and their pick.

Whatever dude.

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7/14/2012  10:05 PM
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7/14/2012  10:06 PM
crzymdups wrote:
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7/14/2012  10:08 PM
I will continue to hold out hope that we sign Felton and Lin. Not sure what PT either would get in that scenario. But we do need another guard.
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7/14/2012  10:09 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Seth Rosenthal ‏@seth_rosenthal
RT @SpearsNBAYahoo: Rockets found loophole that would cost them $8 million on third year of Lin offer sheet and Knicks $15 million
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HOW THE F@CK DOES THIS LOOP HOLE EXISt?!?!?!!?!? WHAT THE FUUUUCK> I AM FURIOUS. WHAT THE HELL


What does that mean? The Rockets are paying Lin only $8 mil in year 3 but the Knicks would have to offer $15 mil in order to match? I don't understand.

The way these contracts work is that if Houston makes Lin a 3-year, $24M offer the cap hit for them would be $8M/year. If we match that offer our cap hit would be around $5M for the first two years and then $14M in the final year. Basically, if we're over the cap and match an offer sheet we're only ever allowed to pay around $5M/year for the first two years and would pay the bulk of the contract in the 3rd and 4th years.

Using Fields as another example, he got $20M over 3 years from Toronto. Toronto's cap hit would be just under $7M/year but ours would be $5M for the first 2 years and $10M in the 3rd year. The big jump in the back-end of these contracts are why they're called "poison pills".

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7/14/2012  10:10 PM
loweyecue wrote:I will continue to hold out hope that we sign Felton and Lin. Not sure what PT either would get in that scenario. But we do need another guard.

Yeah, I'm going to hold out some hope here too, although I don't know what Dolan would be thinking signing 3 PGs who all had starters' minutes last year.
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7/14/2012  10:11 PM
VCoug wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Seth Rosenthal ‏@seth_rosenthal
RT @SpearsNBAYahoo: Rockets found loophole that would cost them $8 million on third year of Lin offer sheet and Knicks $15 million
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HOW THE F@CK DOES THIS LOOP HOLE EXISt?!?!?!!?!? WHAT THE FUUUUCK> I AM FURIOUS. WHAT THE HELL


What does that mean? The Rockets are paying Lin only $8 mil in year 3 but the Knicks would have to offer $15 mil in order to match? I don't understand.

The way these contracts work is that if Houston makes Lin a 3-year, $24M offer the cap hit for them would be $8M/year. If we match that offer our cap hit would be around $5M for the first two years and then $14M in the final year. Basically, if we're over the cap and match an offer sheet we're only ever allowed to pay around $5M/year for the first two years and would pay the bulk of the contract in the 3rd and 4th years.

Using Fields as another example, he got $20M over 3 years from Toronto. Toronto's cap hit would be just under $7M/year but ours would be $5M for the first 2 years and $10M in the 3rd year. The big jump in the back-end of these contracts are why they're called "poison pills".

Thanks for the explanation!

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7/14/2012  10:12 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
loweyecue wrote:I will continue to hold out hope that we sign Felton and Lin. Not sure what PT either would get in that scenario. But we do need another guard.

Yeah, I'm going to hold out some hope here too, although I don't know what Dolan would be thinking signing 3 PGs who all had starters' minutes last year.

Dolan? Thinking???? Now there's an oxymoron if there ever was one. But since Dolan's involved - may be just plain Moron works as well.

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7/14/2012  10:15 PM
Knicksfan wrote:
VCoug wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Seth Rosenthal ‏@seth_rosenthal
RT @SpearsNBAYahoo: Rockets found loophole that would cost them $8 million on third year of Lin offer sheet and Knicks $15 million
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HOW THE F@CK DOES THIS LOOP HOLE EXISt?!?!?!!?!? WHAT THE FUUUUCK> I AM FURIOUS. WHAT THE HELL


What does that mean? The Rockets are paying Lin only $8 mil in year 3 but the Knicks would have to offer $15 mil in order to match? I don't understand.

The way these contracts work is that if Houston makes Lin a 3-year, $24M offer the cap hit for them would be $8M/year. If we match that offer our cap hit would be around $5M for the first two years and then $14M in the final year. Basically, if we're over the cap and match an offer sheet we're only ever allowed to pay around $5M/year for the first two years and would pay the bulk of the contract in the 3rd and 4th years.

Using Fields as another example, he got $20M over 3 years from Toronto. Toronto's cap hit would be just under $7M/year but ours would be $5M for the first 2 years and $10M in the 3rd year. The big jump in the back-end of these contracts are why they're called "poison pills".

Thanks for the explanation!

No problem.

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7/14/2012  10:20 PM
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loweyecue wrote:SHEEEEE!!!!!!!TTTTTT DUCK FOLAN - (may be I am overreacting, but we b etter not let go of Lin for $5M after paying $20M each for two underperforming "stars")

i don't think is about money. it's about Lin going back to the Rockets to try to construct a deal the knicks wouldn't match.

at some point you have to ask - does this guy want to be here? and is that the best player to have on board in a season you're supposed to be all in.

we already know there's tension between melo and lin. and we know woodson backs melo...


STILL. that said... i think letting Lin go would be a HUGE mistake. bad move.

felton is a good guy, but he's not even as good as lin was after MDA was fired...

This I believe

I'm not a big Lin fan but I find it strange that he has never said that he wants to remain a Knick or that he hopes the Knicks match the offer so he can remain in NY.

I believe this kid is NOT about team winning and just trying to make a name for himself. While in NY, he was always be mentioned behind Melo and Amare. In Houston, he instantly becomes the man.
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7/14/2012  10:20 PM
MSG3 wrote:Everyone calm down. No way we let go of Lin. Felton replaces Landry who is officially gone now.

I guarantee you we keep Lin.
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7/14/2012  10:24 PM
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MSG3 wrote:Everyone calm down. No way we let go of Lin. Felton replaces Landry who is officially gone now.

I guarantee you we keep Lin.

Felton, Kidd and Lin will all share minutes at the 2 until Shump is back. Not the worst thing in the world to have as many PGs as we do who can play minutes at the 2.
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7/14/2012  10:26 PM
Did MSG3 just quote himself quoting himself? Is that an internet first?
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7/14/2012  10:26 PM
I think you guys are missing the real issue. It is not about Lin getting an offer. It is about Lin and Houston revising the orginal offer MY was going to match. Also, there are rumors about keeping both players and moving Kidd to the two.
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7/14/2012  10:29 PM
markvmc wrote:Did MSG3 just quote himself quoting himself? Is that an internet first?

Hahaha I did. Posts were coming in so quick I wanted to keep my train of thought.
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