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6/24/2012  2:14 PM
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holfresh wrote:
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gunsnewing wrote:Exactly keyword role player. Unless Nash is coming for the full mle and dolan makea a splash. No one is coming here and overshadowing lin and what he means to new york and the league

And that will make the NY Knicks better?

What is your best idea for a back up pg?

Do you think Lin is ready to play on a level of basketball we saw the last week?

I don't think we have any players on this roster (Except Tyson) that play at he level of the corresponding Heat starters and that includeds Melo and Amare - so exactly why should Lin be benched again? We don't have a window of beating the Heat with Melo and Amare put down the kool aid.

Really, you don't have to like Melo but you should be honest..Melo is an elite player that can and has played on that level...He performed down the stretch this season...He was the only player we had against the Heat that showed up, where was Chandler?...He showed up last year against Boston in the first round...Amare has tons of playoff experience in Phoenix where he has been a beast...I have to disagree with you wholeheartedly...

The question wasn't about showing up, it was about playing at the level we saw last week. Right now Melo isn't even on the same planet as Lebron, comparing anyone we have to Wade is a joke and Bosh is better than Amare. Show me when Melo has matched Lebron's stats from this playoff series in the playoffs - go ahead. And by stats I don't mean pts scored as the only metric. Lebron has more assists, rebounds, plays incredible defense and Melo has baby fat and a piss poor shooting efficiency. If you want to be "objective" about Lin, then take the same approach with Melo.

Bron is the best player on the planet, no one is playing on his level...For me, I'll take Melo over Wade, and that's not a joke...When healthy, Bosh is not better than Amare...The problem with Amare is he needs a PG that is looking to get him involved...I'll take Melo with the ball in his hands with two minutes left over any player the Heat has, but that's me...You are trying to equate a guy who is essentially rookie to proven all stars...

Mario Chalmers is proven all star? OK, if you say so.

The game isn't played in the last two minutes you need to get through the first 46 without being down 25 if you want the last two minutes to count. Amare's chances of getting healthy are diminishing with each year. And Melo doesn't play Wade's position. As constructed we can't beat heHeat because to do that Melo has to outplay Lebron (ain't happening), JR has to outplay Wade (LOL) and Amare has to outplay Bosh (this is still within the realm of possibility). And yes I think Lin can definitely hold is own against Chalmers once he gets some experience and develops an understanding with his teammates.

Well I thought you were comparing Lin being able to handle the pressure to Melo and Amare not Charlmers, you did say no one on the Knicks can play on that level other than Chandler...As constructed you are correct, we can't beat the Heat...Our PG can't or hasn't handled the defensive pressure the Heat brings to the table...We could accept that as our fate reup and hope he gets better in the off season or sign a vet who we think can handle the pressure...

Basketball is not a series of one on one matchups, if so, Dallas would not have won last year...

One more time....

I don't think we have any players on this roster (Except Tyson) that play at the level of the corresponding Heat starters and that includeds Melo and Amare

Doesn't Melo lead the head to head matchups with James? Sure James had more success recently but that's not all on Melo

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6/24/2012  2:53 PM
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gunsnewing wrote:Why we lost that series had absolutely nothing to do with tyson. Whatever you people are smaking I want some. we lost because we lacked efficient shooters. Miami packed the paint and fields and jr missed countless shots and novak cant get a shot off against good defensive teams like miami and chicago. But sure keep blaming melo tyson and woodson as amare, jr & fields get off scott free


No one is saying we lost because of Chandler..What we are saying is he doesn't get a free pass because he has a ring...Melo doesn't shoulder all the blame here..The entire team has to show up...For the Knicks to win they all have to show up as a team...When one guy shows up and gets the blame for not getting out the first round again is really not the right way to look at things...

Nobody is saying Melo deserves all the blame. I am always fair with him. he played amazing the last 25 games of the season. He was ok in the playoofs he some great nights and some bad nights. Tyson didnt play well but tyson is the heart and soul of this team and without him we are dead.

Well seems like u keep harping on his playoff record...Last two years can u really blame him? he has been a one man show...But that doesn't stop you..Some how though, you are fair...

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6/24/2012  3:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/24/2012  3:18 PM
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RonRon wrote:I don't care if Melo drops 100pts, we would never win the series, with the style he is playing...
Remember when Kobe dropped 80+ pts his career year, well it ended with a lottery draft pick of Bynum.
OKC tried playing that style with much more talent and players, failed, enough said.....
3 games, could have went any way, Game 2,3,and 4, with the calls favoring Heats those games, even in game 1 but OKC was just finished strong...

Dude....OKC failed? They lost in the finals. We didn't lose because of Melo. We lost because we had no one that could shoot BESIDES Melo and no depth.


It's odd that the guy who shoots around 40% is considered the only one who can shoot. And he was 22% from 3 point range.

Yeah - its hard to score 1 on 5 let alone against the best defender in the league by miles. How did Paul Pierce do? And he had help. Uh .... not so good!


It's his fault for playing 1 on 5 when he had teammates hitting 45 to 55% but barely getting any touches.
The KNicks were thoroughly outplayed in that series. What teammates are you referring to?

Actually all the other starters were 44 to 56%.
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6/24/2012  3:31 PM
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RonRon wrote:I don't care if Melo drops 100pts, we would never win the series, with the style he is playing...
Remember when Kobe dropped 80+ pts his career year, well it ended with a lottery draft pick of Bynum.
OKC tried playing that style with much more talent and players, failed, enough said.....
3 games, could have went any way, Game 2,3,and 4, with the calls favoring Heats those games, even in game 1 but OKC was just finished strong...

Dude....OKC failed? They lost in the finals. We didn't lose because of Melo. We lost because we had no one that could shoot BESIDES Melo and no depth.


It's odd that the guy who shoots around 40% is considered the only one who can shoot. And he was 22% from 3 point range.

Yeah - its hard to score 1 on 5 let alone against the best defender in the league by miles. How did Paul Pierce do? And he had help. Uh .... not so good!


It's his fault for playing 1 on 5 when he had teammates hitting 45 to 55% but barely getting any touches.
The KNicks were thoroughly outplayed in that series. What teammates are you referring to?

Actually all the other starters were 44 to 56%.

When you say other starters which games? The lineup changed because of Tyson's illness, Iman's knee injury, Baron's knee injury, Amare's hand, and Jeffries knee issues. I don't remember anyone having a good series other than Mike Bibby.
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6/24/2012  4:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/24/2012  7:24 PM
I didn't like how Chandler was attacked...
He was the most consistent player for us throughout the year and is a big reason why we have improved to becoming a good defensive team as the anchor.
Tyson is a true respectable leader on the floor, sets great examples for our rookies/yoots, great work ethic, and is the heart/soul of the team with Iman Shumpert.
I think it is in our best interest to add 2way players that can continue the defensive intensity and compliment what Iman and Chandler already provides.
He does need to work on his offensive game and he already joined the Olajuwon's camp as a trainer to improve his game.
We have to give him credit for what he has done to our franchise, recognizing what his weaknesses are, taking initiative and doing something about it by continuing to develop skills.

It isn't about STATS, something Melo has to understand as well.
That was exactly why he played the way he did, because he didn't want to hear it from the analyst, reporters, media, and fans.
We cannot reward him for taking bad selection on shots, even if he hits them.
BUT I do not fault him because I don't ever think we had a a legit chance, especially when Iman was out, and TC had the flu.
However, this isn't something I want to see him do if we had a full lineup that is healthy.

Look at what Lebron and Wade has done since they loss last year to Dallas.
They continued training in the off season, instead of looking to just improve their own games physically, they also looked to improve their mental approach for the team.
Building on chemistry, following a philosophy for easy shots/high % shots, creating defensive identity, they looked to improve the team, and all the players around them.
Lebron and Wade both understood that they must elevate the game of everyone on their team, they decided to NOT shoot the 3point shot because they were too skilled to do that.

They have shooters around them already, they looked to attack the defensive, exploit the mismatches that they would create, and let their teams know that they better be ready to hit the shot, because THEY WILL FIND AND PASS IT TO THEM. Unlike their role players, they could get a 3point shot whenever they wanted, but didn't want to fall in love with it, because they were just too skilled to rely on it, as it is fools gold. Like Jordan telling Kerr, Harper, Armstrong, Paxson, Kukoch, and whoever was open, he learned to trust them and to give them confidence.

I am happy for Melo that he is getting in shape this off season, I hope he follows in the steps of Jordan and Lebron.
He should follow what Lebron/Wade did, make an effort not to NOT TAKE THE 3point shot, take it inside, and passing it out with his shooters get the looks.
He has to learn to trust his team, how and what he an do to elevate their games, how to establish himself with position, drawing double/triple teams, and then to pass it out to them for the wide open shot. Melo has to let them know, that they have to be ready because he will find and reward them.
There is much more than just scoring, take it from the scoring champion for the last couple of years with Durant.

Grunweld MUST add shooters that are 2 way players to space floor so Melo can achieve this.
Amare, I hope he takes himself out of the starting lineup, telling Coach Woodson, that he would embrace the 6th man role if Woodson felt it was best for the team.
He should know now, the advantages he had while playing Center, he has to improve on rebounding, fighting for position, defense, boxing out, and shot blocking to remain doing so.

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6/24/2012  4:21 PM
Let's be real...Melo had no help..Saying Bibby had a good series is a stretch..
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6/24/2012  4:23 PM
holfresh wrote:Let's be real...Melo had no help..Saying Bibby had a good series is a stretch..
it was because of injuries. Lin,baron,shump,jj,and tyson were all injured so i dont blame melo for that. However I want to see melo go through an entire season focused like lebron did this year. SWe've seen stretches of melo being extremely focused but hasnt bee consistent. Hopefully next year Melo will be focused the entire season
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6/24/2012  4:28 PM
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holfresh wrote:Let's be real...Melo had no help..Saying Bibby had a good series is a stretch..
it was because of injuries. Lin,baron,shump,jj,and tyson were all injured so i dont blame melo for that. However I want to see melo go through an entire season focused like lebron did this year. SWe've seen stretches of melo being extremely focused but hasnt bee consistent. Hopefully next year Melo will be focused the entire season


I think Melo is the least of our problem...We have 14 bigger question marks on this team but some how it all falls on his shoulders...

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6/24/2012  4:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/24/2012  4:42 PM
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holfresh wrote:Let's be real...Melo had no help..Saying Bibby had a good series is a stretch..
it was because of injuries. Lin,baron,shump,jj,and tyson were all injured so i dont blame melo for that. However I want to see melo go through an entire season focused like lebron did this year. SWe've seen stretches of melo being extremely focused but hasnt bee consistent. Hopefully next year Melo will be focused the entire season


I think Melo is the least of our problem...We have 14 bigger question marks on this team but some how it all falls on his shoulders...

why do you always get defensive of Melo i mean i wasnt being critical of the guy. I mean i gave him big props for the way he played down the stretch. However he still needs to bring it the entire season. Like i said in english it wasnt melo's fault but most of our other weapons were injured so its just bad luck
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6/24/2012  4:42 PM
Shout outs to irishknickfan and ronron...two rational posters here on this site (not saying the rest of you arent...lol)

Im a melo fan...i admit he has his faults...but u CANT blame the miami series on just him or tyson..how about we give miami credit and say they were the better team

I think the reasonable thing to do is rally around our big three and figure out the non core players

Now i think everyteam has strengths and weaknesses...i dont think there is one particular formula...u can get 3pt shooters or 2pt shooters....i think the biggest key is a pg who can distribute

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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6/24/2012  4:44 PM
Ronron...i disagree with benching stat...u dont pay someone 19mil to sit the bench...and realisticallly that WONT happen anywyas...the big three can go exist...the problem was they didnt hv a pg..hopefully lin solves these problems
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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6/24/2012  4:47 PM
callmened wrote:Shout outs to irishknickfan and ronron...two rational posters here on this site (not saying the rest of you arent...lol)

Im a melo fan...i admit he has his faults...but u CANT blame the miami series on just him or tyson..how about we give miami credit and say they were the better team

I think the reasonable thing to do is rally around our big three and figure out the non core players

Now i think everyteam has strengths and weaknesses...i dont think there is one particular formula...u can get 3pt shooters or 2pt shooters....i think the biggest key is a pg who can distribute

Thanks man i think you make good points too. The problem is that ther are some bigtime melo fans who gets defensive even though i have given him props for the most part. I trust Melo but he does have some things to improve. He needs to get in better shape,his passing needs works, and he needs that killer instinct all year like lebron had. If he does those things we are set
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6/24/2012  4:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/24/2012  4:50 PM
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holfresh wrote:
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holfresh wrote:Let's be real...Melo had no help..Saying Bibby had a good series is a stretch..
it was because of injuries. Lin,baron,shump,jj,and tyson were all injured so i dont blame melo for that. However I want to see melo go through an entire season focused like lebron did this year. SWe've seen stretches of melo being extremely focused but hasnt bee consistent. Hopefully next year Melo will be focused the entire season


I think Melo is the least of our problem...We have 14 bigger question marks on this team but some how it all falls on his shoulders...

why do you always get defensive of Melo i mean i wasnt being critical of the guy. I mean i gave him big props for the way he played down the stretch. However he still needs to bring it the entire season. Like i said in english it wasnt melo's fault but most of our other weapons were injured so its just bad luck

Why do u always think I'm getting defensive when all I'm doing is telling the truth...We have bigger worries than Melo...

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6/24/2012  4:50 PM
holfresh wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:Let's be real...Melo had no help..Saying Bibby had a good series is a stretch..
it was because of injuries. Lin,baron,shump,jj,and tyson were all injured so i dont blame melo for that. However I want to see melo go through an entire season focused like lebron did this year. SWe've seen stretches of melo being extremely focused but hasnt bee consistent. Hopefully next year Melo will be focused the entire season


I think Melo is the least of our problem...We have 14 bigger question marks on this team but some how it all falls on his shoulders...

why do you always get defensive of Melo i mean i wasnt being critical of the guy. I mean i gave him big props for the way he played down the stretch. However he still needs to bring it the entire season. Like i said in english it wasnt melo's fault but most of our other weapons were injured so its just bad luck

Why do u always think I'm getting defensive when all I'm doing is telling the truth...We have bigger worries than Melo...

Well i told the truth as well didnt I?

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6/24/2012  4:53 PM
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IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:Let's be real...Melo had no help..Saying Bibby had a good series is a stretch..
it was because of injuries. Lin,baron,shump,jj,and tyson were all injured so i dont blame melo for that. However I want to see melo go through an entire season focused like lebron did this year. SWe've seen stretches of melo being extremely focused but hasnt bee consistent. Hopefully next year Melo will be focused the entire season


I think Melo is the least of our problem...We have 14 bigger question marks on this team but some how it all falls on his shoulders...

why do you always get defensive of Melo i mean i wasnt being critical of the guy. I mean i gave him big props for the way he played down the stretch. However he still needs to bring it the entire season. Like i said in english it wasnt melo's fault but most of our other weapons were injured so its just bad luck

Why do u always think I'm getting defensive when all I'm doing is telling the truth...We have bigger worries than Melo...

Well i told the truth as well didnt I?

No..

What exactly do you want me to do kiss melo's ass lol. I just said for the 100000th time that he was a beast in the second half of the season. i also said that it "WASNT" his fault. However if you think melo is perfect you are crazy lol. Like I said i think you are a good guy but need to lighten up.
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6/24/2012  4:54 PM
I agree...we hv way bigger problems than melo!! I understand that hes not perfect but hes not a problm per se. Its just a matter of getting other good players around him
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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6/24/2012  4:56 PM
callmened wrote:I agree...we hv way bigger problems than melo!! I understand that hes not perfect but hes not a problm per se. Its just a matter of getting other good players around him
I agree i never said he was a problem. Holfresh keeps misinterpreting which i even do soemtimes
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6/24/2012  4:56 PM
No..

U spin the truth..U harp on his playoff record when u fully know for two years now the only other two healthy bodies from both years was TD and Fields...Imagine your record is being judged with TD and Field as your only consistent teammates...

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6/24/2012  4:57 PM
holfresh wrote:No..

U spin the truth..U harp on his playoff record when u fully know for two years now the only other two healthy bodies from both years was TD and Fields...Imagine your record is being judged with TD and Field as your only consistent teammates...

Holfresh can we bury this crap. i think you just misinterpreted what is aid which is ok i do the same thing. Lets just move on with this ok
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6/24/2012  4:58 PM
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holfresh wrote:No..

U spin the truth..U harp on his playoff record when u fully know for two years now the only other two healthy bodies from both years was TD and Fields...Imagine your record is being judged with TD and Field as your only consistent teammates...

Holfresh can we bury this crap. i think you just misinterpreted what is aid which is ok i do the same thing. Lets just move on with this ok

Am I wrong?

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