nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:our idiot coach runs a playbook "so complicated" no one can learn the offense, but so easy to defend our team can barely score 80pts on a given night.

yep, that sounds like a great coach all right.

IGNORANCE! Where did the offense rank last year with a decent PG? Yes it was hard, but Felton did learn it. If he had another season here to actually MASTER it, who knows how good he could've been. Ask Nash if he thinks it's a great offense or not. He was screaming for them to bring it back when they went away from it.

well, they don't have a point guard to master the system right now. what they have is one of the most dominant power forwards in the league, one of the most dominant small forwards in the league, one of the best centers in the league and a coach stubbornly hoping landry fields, toney douglas, iman shumpert, mike bibby and bill walker can shoot 3s at 45%. his offense is nothing without spacing. and that spacing is created by the three point shot and penetration. knicks have neither of those things. yet our brilliant PhD keeps trying to force it. you what that sounds like to me?

IGNORANCE.

also, you know what you sound like, trying to defend something so clearly wrong for the roster this team has? i'll let you figure it out.

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:our idiot coach runs a playbook "so complicated" no one can learn the offense, but so easy to defend our team can barely score 80pts on a given night.

yep, that sounds like a great coach all right.

IGNORANCE! Where did the offense rank last year with a decent PG? Yes it was hard, but Felton did learn it. If he had another season here to actually MASTER it, who knows how good he could've been. Ask Nash if he thinks it's a great offense or not. He was screaming for them to bring it back when they went away from it.

also, nixluva, i thought according to you iman shumpert grasped the wonderful golden magic necessary to run the point in MDA's offense. is this a failure of shumpert? is it all his fault? is he no longer your ROY? is he waiting to get more national coverage on TV to "grasp the offense" or even possibly to "master it"??? please tell me. because to me it looks like d'antoni is a stubborn idiot trying to get shumpert to be something he's not. but maybe i'm just being ignant again.

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:our idiot coach runs a playbook "so complicated" no one can learn the offense, but so easy to defend our team can barely score 80pts on a given night.

yep, that sounds like a great coach all right.

IGNORANCE! Where did the offense rank last year with a decent PG? Yes it was hard, but Felton did learn it. If he had another season here to actually MASTER it, who knows how good he could've been. Ask Nash if he thinks it's a great offense or not. He was screaming for them to bring it back when they went away from it.

well, they don't have a point guard to master the system right now. what they have is one of the most dominant power forwards in the league, one of the most dominant small forwards in the league, one of the best centers in the league and a coach stubbornly hoping landry fields, toney douglas, iman shumpert, mike bibby and bill walker can shoot 3s at 45%. his offense is nothing without spacing. and that spacing is created by the three point shot and penetration. knicks have neither of those things. yet our brilliant PhD keeps trying to force it. you what that sounds like to me?

IGNORANCE.

also, you know what you sound like, trying to defend something so clearly wrong for the roster this team has? i'll let you figure it out.

You're making it worse for yourself with every post. The spacing and timing of the offense is off due to the poor floor generalship of our PG's. It's putting everything out of position and making it easier for the defense to stop what we're doing. I wish I was home so that I could do a literal breakdown of just how that works, or IS NOT WORKING, right now. The reason that STAT was so efficient last year as well as the entire team is due to proper spacing, timing and execution. I can prove my point statistically and by showing the plays that MDA runs in diagrams. Can't do it now but if this line of argument persists I will do it at a later date.

Do you think this team would be struggling as bad with Felton or even Billups right now? NO! It's that important to have even just a decent level of floor leadership on any team in any offense. We have substandard PG play this year. Only for brief moments does the team do the right thing and then they are easily disrupted by any good defensive play. That is not the way it's supposed to be.

CrushAlot wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Really? I think Nash did fine without MDA. Can you cite an article where Nash was screaming because he wanted MDA's or I should say his own offense back?

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:our idiot coach runs a playbook "so complicated" no one can learn the offense, but so easy to defend our team can barely score 80pts on a given night.

yep, that sounds like a great coach all right.

IGNORANCE! Where did the offense rank last year with a decent PG? Yes it was hard, but Felton did learn it. If he had another season here to actually MASTER it, who knows how good he could've been. Ask Nash if he thinks it's a great offense or not. He was screaming for them to bring it back when they went away from it.

REad what Diaw said about playing with Nash after he had his huge game against the Knicks.

CashMoney wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

EwOakStarksMase wrote:Do you all realize we were 3 for 20 from downtown??? That is freaking pathetically EMBARASSING!!!

The CAvs announcers kept saying, "Thats their offense". I guess they are ignorant.

Yes they are. They're only saying what the cliche argument is about MDA's offense. The bad 3's are a result of bad possessions where they're left with taking bad shots. It's the lazy way out of a bad set. When they run the offense properly the 3 is the LAST option of any given set, but there are GOOD 3's. The thing is that NONE of the plays are designed for the 3 to be the primary shot taken. Over a 100 plays with multiple variations and all are designed to get a high % shot.

We just can't hit crap right now. There were a lot of shots that weren't bad but just didn't fall. TD had a wide open 3 towards the end of the 4th and bricked.

He hasn't hit that shot all season. After awhile as a coach you tell the guy okay step in or pass it to your "STARS" and get them easier shots.

Sometimes you are open for a reason. Jefferies is left open all day. does that mean he should hoist up shots every time he's open. Same with Shump. You don't think other teams watch tape and go. Okay TD, Shump can't shoot a lick this season..leave them open. Same thing with Rondo in previous seasons but guess what he won't shoot it. Instead he will press the defense and make them pay for giving him a lane. That's called coaching. Playing to your strengths and not accepting the opposing team forcing u to a result they want. You don't think the other teams love us TD, Shump & Fields hoisting up open 3s?

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:our idiot coach runs a playbook "so complicated" no one can learn the offense, but so easy to defend our team can barely score 80pts on a given night.

yep, that sounds like a great coach all right.

IGNORANCE! Where did the offense rank last year with a decent PG? Yes it was hard, but Felton did learn it. If he had another season here to actually MASTER it, who knows how good he could've been. Ask Nash if he thinks it's a great offense or not. He was screaming for them to bring it back when they went away from it.

well, they don't have a point guard to master the system right now. what they have is one of the most dominant power forwards in the league, one of the most dominant small forwards in the league, one of the best centers in the league and a coach stubbornly hoping landry fields, toney douglas, iman shumpert, mike bibby and bill walker can shoot 3s at 45%. his offense is nothing without spacing. and that spacing is created by the three point shot and penetration. knicks have neither of those things. yet our brilliant PhD keeps trying to force it. you what that sounds like to me?

IGNORANCE.

also, you know what you sound like, trying to defend something so clearly wrong for the roster this team has? i'll let you figure it out.

You're making it worse for yourself with every post. The spacing and timing of the offense is off due to the poor floor generalship of our PG's. It's putting everything out of position and making it easier for the defense to stop what we're doing. I wish I was home so that I could do a literal breakdown of just how that works, or IS NOT WORKING, right now. The reason that STAT was so efficient last year as well as the entire team is due to proper spacing, timing and execution. I can prove my point statistically and by showing the plays that MDA runs in diagrams. Can't do it now but if this line of argument persists I will do it at a later date.

Do you think this team would be struggling as bad with Felton or even Billups right now? NO! It's that important to have even just a decent level of floor leadership on any team in any offense. We have substandard PG play this year. Only for brief moments does the team do the right thing and then they are easily disrupted by any good defensive play. That is not the way it's supposed to be.

nixluva, i want you to stop and consider what this exact roster would look like coached by jeff van gundy.

2011-12 with TD, Shump, Bibby    - #17 in scoring, #24 in Offensive Efficiency
2010-11 with Felton, TD, CB      - #2  in scoring, #5  in Off. Eff.
2009-10 with Duhon, TD, Hughes   - #10 in scoring, #17 in Off. Eff.
2008-09 with Duhon, Nate, Hughes - #4  in scoring, #17 in Off. Eff.
2007-08 with Nash                - #3  in scoring, #2  in Off. Eff.
2006-07 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #1  in Off. Eff.
2005-06 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #2  in Off. Eff.
2004-05 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #1  in Off. Eff.

nixluva wrote:This is just ridiculous. ONLY MONTHS ago some of these same players we have now were in the #2 scoring team and #5 most efficient offense in the league, when we had Felton! It dipped a bit when we made the trade and the team ended the season at #7 in Offensive efficiency. For most of D'Antoni's career his teams have been at or near the top of the league in offense. It's the one thing that you just can't fault him for in terms of his acumen as a coach. You can ding him for D, but let's not make up crap when it comes to his offensive record. This is the ONLY Season in the last 8 years where he's been in the lower half of the league offensively.

2011-12 with TD, Shump, Bibby    - #17 in scoring, #24 in Offensive Efficiency
2010-11 with Felton, TD, CB      - #2  in scoring, #5  in Off. Eff.
2009-10 with Duhon, TD, Hughes   - #10 in scoring, #17 in Off. Eff.
2008-09 with Duhon, Nate, Hughes - #4  in scoring, #17 in Off. Eff.
2007-08 with Nash                - #3  in scoring, #2  in Off. Eff.
2006-07 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #1  in Off. Eff.
2005-06 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #2  in Off. Eff.
2004-05 with Nash                - #1  in scoring, #1  in Off. Eff.

so basically, he averages 15.75 out of 30 teams in offensive efficiency without nash. next coach, please.