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12/9/2011  2:02 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/9/2011  2:03 AM
islesfan wrote:
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islesfan wrote:Although I like the idea of getting a defensive minded center that allows Amare to play the 4, this is a pretty sizable commitment to an injury prone player who has played one full season in 3 years. For the cost involved in terms of money, cap space and the ability to acquire another star player, I'd hope for better numbers than 10 pts, 9 rebs and 1 block a game.

But thats the thing. Better numbers from where? Whom? The players available do not have better numbers.

Dwight Howard.

i don't agree dwight howard is available - we all did the math and we'd have $13-14M in cap room for chris paul or dwight howard. aka not enough. only way dwight is available is if you trade amar'e and that's not a sure thing given amar'e's uninsured knees/contract and the fact that he's 3-5yrs older than dwight.

not to mention that orlando isn't accepting any trade offers for dwight right now.

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12/9/2011  2:33 AM
crzymdups wrote:
islesfan wrote:
Killa4luv wrote:
islesfan wrote:Although I like the idea of getting a defensive minded center that allows Amare to play the 4, this is a pretty sizable commitment to an injury prone player who has played one full season in 3 years. For the cost involved in terms of money, cap space and the ability to acquire another star player, I'd hope for better numbers than 10 pts, 9 rebs and 1 block a game.

But thats the thing. Better numbers from where? Whom? The players available do not have better numbers.

Dwight Howard.

i don't agree dwight howard is available - we all did the math and we'd have $13-14M in cap room for chris paul or dwight howard. aka not enough. only way dwight is available is if you trade amar'e and that's not a sure thing given amar'e's uninsured knees/contract and the fact that he's 3-5yrs older than dwight.

not to mention that orlando isn't accepting any trade offers for dwight right now.

there is a way, in the new cba, they can restructure their deal and lower their pay but think they have to add more years.
However, I am happy with Chandler, can't waste one year speculating Dwight Howard can come, every team is going to want him.
Unless he says I want New York Knick's its not worth it waiting...
Cp3, if I had to choose between you or Melo, I would pick u, but we can't have all 3 players tied to cap that can't play defense and wait a year for u.
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12/9/2011  3:24 AM
islesfan wrote:
Killa4luv wrote:
islesfan wrote:Although I like the idea of getting a defensive minded center that allows Amare to play the 4, this is a pretty sizable commitment to an injury prone player who has played one full season in 3 years. For the cost involved in terms of money, cap space and the ability to acquire another star player, I'd hope for better numbers than 10 pts, 9 rebs and 1 block a game.

But thats the thing. Better numbers from where? Whom? The players available do not have better numbers.

Dwight Howard.


Chandler's #s are deflated because he played only 27 mpg. Per 36 min, he's at 13 points and 12 rebounds. He also has almost 2 points per field goal attempt, which is a crazy high level of efficiency.
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12/9/2011  4:59 AM
Chandler's injury history really bothers me. But I like the idea of having an actual C on this team- I hate being undersized with no defence. We need to get lucky and hope he stays healthy- it's a big risk, but then every move in basketball is a big risk. It's easier to find PG and shooting guards than starting C's, so I'm hoping this works out.
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12/9/2011  6:36 AM
We will still need to get another c/pf not named Jeffries with good shotblocking as back up / insurance.
I also don't think we can get Dwight, I think getting Chandler addresses a bigger need than getting CP3 would have as long as we accept STAT/Melo are staying.

The restructuring of contracts sounds interesting, anyone has details on that? Of Amare and Melo agreed to take a pay cut could we rewrite their contracts?

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12/9/2011  6:38 AM
I just can't get excited about Barron Davis, I don't really know why. Feels like a bad fit, but reasoning tells me he may do well here. Hope we can get someone else though.
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12/9/2011  6:49 AM
I hope this happens today
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12/9/2011  6:54 AM
Honestly the prospect of Baron(hopefully)-Fields/Shumpert-Melo-Stat-Chandler pleases me. It makes us instant contenders with the addition of some veterans and a shooter or 2. That's a top-3 frontcourt. Also allows the now 6'11" Amare to return to his natural 4 and avoid the constant banging at the 5.
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12/9/2011  7:17 AM
I think Chandler is a great option but I do worry that his contract is too much, his health history is questionable, and using amnesty on a 1 year contract is not a smart idea. This franchise needs to save that amnesty in case one of our max guys goes down - but if it's the only way to get Chandler I understand.

I just dont get why the Knicks always have to roll the dice instead of making smart solid fundamental moves. I guess this would be better than gutting the team for CP3 though.

On the bright side - maybe Chandler has turned the corner with his health like Camby did when he left NY. Also, what is Dalla thinking? Are they good with just 1 championship or did they know it was a long shot to get back? Withot Chandler I dont see them repeating.

For those who complain about stats, we dont need scoring from him just solid D and rebounding. I think he can provide that, and score a little.

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12/9/2011  7:26 AM
WHat are you talking about? The Knicks made a smart fundamental move for a change. Waiting another year for the third star when he was flirting with certain teams and waiting for a chance on another star (Dwight) who clearly likes the metro area but now the Knicks?

We made a move for the now because our time to contend with Carmelo and Amare is now. WHat other better option did we have? We were not going to get a better center in another way. Center was by far our weakest position and it has been for like a decade. We made a move for defends and rebounding.

Hurts to move Billups this way, but what difference does it make in using the amnesty on a one-year deal if its the deal you have to move in order to sign the guy you want. The Mavs don't want Billups and that takes away the only real option to take Billups out and get Chandler in.

This was a great move, one that surprised me because its the anti-Knicks move. While people will keep lamenting losing the chance on CP3 and be a copy of the Heat and their zero championships yet, we made a move that actually gets us closer to the Mavs, the defending champions.

Lets contend!

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12/9/2011  7:27 AM
islesfan wrote:
Killa4luv wrote:
islesfan wrote:Although I like the idea of getting a defensive minded center that allows Amare to play the 4, this is a pretty sizable commitment to an injury prone player who has played one full season in 3 years. For the cost involved in terms of money, cap space and the ability to acquire another star player, I'd hope for better numbers than 10 pts, 9 rebs and 1 block a game.

But thats the thing. Better numbers from where? Whom? The players available do not have better numbers.

Dwight Howard.

He is the anti-Amare. He'd rather play for the Nets than for the Knicks. Forget about him.

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12/9/2011  7:35 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/9/2011  7:36 AM
We are rolling the dice because of Chandlers health history, lack of big #'s for the size of his contract, and we are getting him coming off of one big season - historically he has not been a great player (he has been just OK imho). Thats the risk.

I said it was a better move than CP3 but its not like the lakers trading chump change for Gasol. All I am saying is, the Knicks could go for moves with less question marks - if you keep rolling the dice eventually you lose (see the last 10 years).

That being said - there are no guarantees and it is the best move out there for a center unless you can get Howard.

As far as amnesty goes, I do not agree. That is the insurance policy on Amare. Hate to say it but it's the truth.

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12/9/2011  7:42 AM
Two things guys: after the Bulls traded Chandler he became one of the best defensive players in the league, year in and year out. And his "injury history" amounts to his big toe. We're not talking about his back/knee/ankle, something that's potentially career threatening. It's his big toe.
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12/9/2011  7:51 AM
there is risk with this... Chandler is coming off a healthy season after a pair of years marred by injuries, but 4 of his last 6 seasons have been good.

His age is right. Contract length is right, and the player is the perfect fit. It takes some pressure off Melo/Amare up front and lets them focus on scoring where they will be the best scoring forward duo in the league.

Its a really good fit, and with a little FA help I 100% believe this makes us contendors in the east.

I think w/ Melo/Amare/Chandler frontcourt in place we can really start looking at the pieces that will make us a title contendor.

Every team has to avoid injuries to win a title. Im cool with the risks

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12/9/2011  7:55 AM

The more I digest the more I like this.

Chandler is 29 years old and we have all learned some bigs don't get their legs until they are in their later 20's. Okafor had back problems until his core got strong enough to handle the NBA. Camby got stronger. Chandler had turf two that held him down over the course of two seasons.

There is no better choice and we are in "Win now" mode.

Don't fell too bad for Chauns. We extended him with best intentions and perhaps it was even discussed he could be moved. Thats life in the NBA when your 35 years old and in the last year of a contract. Your potential fodder for this. If he wanted out, he could have taken his 4 mil and been a free agent.

It would be nice to save Amnesty for a rainy day and trade billups to Dallas. I suppose we can send up to $3million in cash to help pay? A new Jet? New computer for Cube?

Baron Davis on a strong veteran team like the Knicks could be amazing for him if he is in shape. Being a fat overpaid diva is one thing. Being on a team with Stat and Ty I think would hold him to a high standard. Not sure how the Smiley one takes to being a leader. Melo has never been in a leadership role.

Baron is a low risk move if he falls.

Over all this deal excites me about this season more than going in with Billups. I was starting to get that feeling of "epic failure" label for the knicks. This really helps Stat in so many ways! Other than the short time with Shaq this is the best big man he has paired with. Shaq's demand for the ball was not compatible with Stat.

My overall concern is how Melo and Stat work together.
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12/9/2011  8:18 AM
VCoug wrote:Two things guys: after the Bulls traded Chandler he became one of the best defensive players in the league, year in and year out. And his "injury history" amounts to his big toe. We're not talking about his back/knee/ankle, something that's potentially career threatening. It's his big toe.

Classic!

Uh - he could probably cut his toe off and still play!
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12/9/2011  8:22 AM
Sorry if I haven't made it through all 10 pages - but has anyone commented on how this could very well spell the end for D'Antoni?

I can't believe we're getting Chandler.

Its a risk, but so is every player.

This isn't quite Jerome James. Chandler's been making an impact on the defensive side for a while now - its a trend. And big men do hit their peaks later. If he's overpaid, its by $2 or $3 million. Not 100% like Jerome James was, or Eddy Curry.
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12/9/2011  8:37 AM
I love this move. There is a lack of bigs in the league and Chandler is exactly what the Knicks need. PG is going to be a concern but I'll roll with TD and the point. Would be great of we actaully wind up adding Grant Hill.....

C - Chandler
PF - Amare
SF - Melo
SG - Hill
PG - TD

That looks like a contender to me. Also, I read in the Daily News a week or so back that Fields has been working like crazy on his 3 point shooting. Things are looking bright.....

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