Finestrg wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

Marv wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Horrible loss. Even worse than the other night..Other night, we played like GARBAGE and deserved to lose..Tonight we played well enough to win and came up short..Shitty defense, lack of solid interior play..Outside of that one play where Jeffries converted the 'and 1' layup he was GOD AWFUL, including the last play of the game where he passed up a wide open Melo behind the arc in favor of some rediculously low % pass down low..Re-read the Trent Tucker rule --- .3 of a sec IS ENOUGH TIME to get a shot off and Melo has a very quick trigger..So much for Jeffries smarts huh??

i don't think so. remember amear agsinst the celtics?

Amare set then shot..that's why it was late.

But to me that is on Dantoni..why even put Jefferies the offensive scrub in that situation?? when I saw him taking out the ball I knew it was disaster

Why even add Jeffries to the team???????????????? Now I'm not gonna pin the whole loss on him, but come on man, the dude adds nothing to the attack out there...We're playing 4 on 5 on offense whenever he's on the court (even worse than when Turiaf's out there) and the man is just so GODDAMN OVERRATED by the coaching staff & management in these other areas, areas they try to convince us he's helping the team..HE SUCKS!! PERIOD. THE END!! Again, just like I said before---who the flyin' F did he stop tonight?? You don't wanna say 'stop,' OK fine..Who did he even slow down tonight??? All of their key players went off..We had no answers..I thought this guy was brought back to be an answer defensively?? He's not..That's it..

DrAlphaeus wrote:

TMS wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Why even add Jeffries to the team???????????????? Now I'm not gonna pin the whole loss on him, but come on man, the dude adds nothing to the attack out there...We're playing 4 on 5 on offense whenever he's on the court (even worse than when Turiaf's out there) and the man is just so GODDAMN OVERRATED by the coaching staff & management in these other areas, areas they try to convince us he's helping the team..HE SUCKS!! PERIOD. THE END!! Again, just like I said before---who the flyin' F did he stop tonight?? You don't wanna say 'stop,' OK fine..Who did he even slow down tonight??? All of their key players went off..We had no answers..I thought this guy was brought back to be an answer defensively?? He's not..That's it..

Did you read the Indiana side of the box score? You think OFFENSE is our problem?

Finest was commenting on Jeffries' worthless contribution on defense... i happen to agree w/him the guy brings absolutely nothing to the table other than a charge every so often, he is a horrible post defender, can't defend the PnR & isn't a good shotblocker... wtf MDA sees in him is anyone's guess.

I hear you guys, I just can't get twisted up by a role player's game or lack thereof. So OK we don't have Jeffries in the game, we win?

We don't have D'Antoni, we win this game.

TMS wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Why even add Jeffries to the team???????????????? Now I'm not gonna pin the whole loss on him, but come on man, the dude adds nothing to the attack out there...We're playing 4 on 5 on offense whenever he's on the court (even worse than when Turiaf's out there) and the man is just so GODDAMN OVERRATED by the coaching staff & management in these other areas, areas they try to convince us he's helping the team..HE SUCKS!! PERIOD. THE END!! Again, just like I said before---who the flyin' F did he stop tonight?? You don't wanna say 'stop,' OK fine..Who did he even slow down tonight??? All of their key players went off..We had no answers..I thought this guy was brought back to be an answer defensively?? He's not..That's it..

Did you read the Indiana side of the box score? You think OFFENSE is our problem?

Finest was commenting on Jeffries' worthless contribution on defense... i happen to agree w/him the guy brings absolutely nothing to the table other than a charge every so often, he is a horrible post defender, can't defend the PnR & isn't a good shotblocker... wtf MDA sees in him is anyone's guess.

TMS wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Why even add Jeffries to the team???????????????? Now I'm not gonna pin the whole loss on him, but come on man, the dude adds nothing to the attack out there...We're playing 4 on 5 on offense whenever he's on the court (even worse than when Turiaf's out there) and the man is just so GODDAMN OVERRATED by the coaching staff & management in these other areas, areas they try to convince us he's helping the team..HE SUCKS!! PERIOD. THE END!! Again, just like I said before---who the flyin' F did he stop tonight?? You don't wanna say 'stop,' OK fine..Who did he even slow down tonight??? All of their key players went off..We had no answers..I thought this guy was brought back to be an answer defensively?? He's not..That's it..

Did you read the Indiana side of the box score? You think OFFENSE is our problem?

Finest was commenting on Jeffries' worthless contribution on defense... i happen to agree w/him the guy brings absolutely nothing to the table other than a charge every so often, he is a horrible post defender, can't defend the PnR & isn't a good shotblocker... wtf MDA sees in him is anyone's guess.

Exactly right bro..It's a bigger mystery to me than who built the friggin' pyramids for Christ's sake..Lousy player assessment on this one particular guy for some reason--that's what it boils down to..They think he's the best thing since sliced bread and he isn't...To think that we never even bother to get involved in the Troy Murphy thing or failed to bring in a very promising LEGIT CENTER with skills in Marcus Cousin when he was available is mind numbing to me..Completely blows my mind.

DrAlphaeus wrote:

TMS wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Why even add Jeffries to the team???????????????? Now I'm not gonna pin the whole loss on him, but come on man, the dude adds nothing to the attack out there...We're playing 4 on 5 on offense whenever he's on the court (even worse than when Turiaf's out there) and the man is just so GODDAMN OVERRATED by the coaching staff & management in these other areas, areas they try to convince us he's helping the team..HE SUCKS!! PERIOD. THE END!! Again, just like I said before---who the flyin' F did he stop tonight?? You don't wanna say 'stop,' OK fine..Who did he even slow down tonight??? All of their key players went off..We had no answers..I thought this guy was brought back to be an answer defensively?? He's not..That's it..

Did you read the Indiana side of the box score? You think OFFENSE is our problem?

Finest was commenting on Jeffries' worthless contribution on defense... i happen to agree w/him the guy brings absolutely nothing to the table other than a charge every so often, he is a horrible post defender, can't defend the PnR & isn't a good shotblocker... wtf MDA sees in him is anyone's guess.

I hear you guys, I just can't get twisted up by a role player's game or lack thereof. So OK we don't have Jeffries in the game, we win?

i'm not saying that but let's just say he didn't help our cause whatsoever... in fact on most nights i think he's a detriment if he's playing anything more than 15 minutes or so a night, his complete lack of offensive skillset puts a ton of pressure on the other 4 guys on the court at least 1 guy either Melo or STAT can always be double teamed when Jeffries is in the game... if we use him at all IMHO it should only be for limited spurts he should no way be our primary option off the bench in the frontcourt, i would much rather see Turiaf or Shelden Williams out there guarding Roy Hibbert than forcing STAT to do it because Jeffries is incapable of holding position in the paint... i think either of those guys are much more physically adept at boxing out & keeping guys from grabbing 12 rebounds, 6 of them offensive at that.

DrAlphaeus wrote:I want to hear Carmelo when asked about the last possession to squash it and say "it shouldn't have come down to that."

Yup. Today is an all time low for this team, you cannot lose to Indy twice in a row. heir best player is Danny Grnager and he was out the first game. This SUCKS. Fire MDa, trade all the players, lets tank the rest of the season....

I agree, get Shelden in here. Can't be any worse. JJ just flat out can't play.

TMS wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:I want to hear Carmelo when asked about the last possession to squash it and say "it shouldn't have come down to that."

all i know is Carmelo was the only one balling down the stretch, STAT was sleepwalking out there in the waning minutes not defending anyone & Jeffries was a complete non factor way late to rotate on Granger who just blew by Shawne Williams & hit the dagger shot in his face... i have a hard time getting on Melo for his performance when he puts up 29 & 9 on 50% shooting... quite honestly i don't see how Turiaf only sees 8 minutes of play in this game (was he hurt???) & Shelden sees none when we're getting killed on the offensive boards by Hibbert... MDA seriously needs to stop with this ridiculous fascination with playing Jeffries big minutes it's hurting our team

We have no idea what we're doing on defense. Our coach has no idea how coach these players or enduce effort. Our stars are not playing like stars and getting the most out of others like stars do.

I hope we put it together, but with Memphis, Boston and Orlando (twice) coming up we could be in serious trouble. This fu--ing sucks.

DrAlphaeus wrote:

TMS wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:I want to hear Carmelo when asked about the last possession to squash it and say "it shouldn't have come down to that."

all i know is Carmelo was the only one balling down the stretch, STAT was sleepwalking out there in the waning minutes not defending anyone & Jeffries was a complete non factor way late to rotate on Granger who just blew by Shawne Williams & hit the dagger shot in his face... i have a hard time getting on Melo for his performance when he puts up 29 & 9 on 50% shooting... quite honestly i don't see how Turiaf only sees 8 minutes of play in this game (was he hurt???) & Shelden sees none when we're getting killed on the offensive boards by Hibbert... MDA seriously needs to stop with this ridiculous fascination with playing Jeffries big minutes it's hurting our team

Oh **** I was reading the Sunday boxscore by mistake and was listening to the radio, so I'm as prepared as for my post-game comments here, haha. Turiaf 8 minutes? Yea, I see your point.

what pains me is that there were 2 key drives by Collison in the lane in the final 3 minutes where he got off a floater layup & JJ just stood there watching him not even moving to block the shot it's like he was mesmerized by the sight of the ball floating towards the rim in slow motion or something... i was watching the game with my bro & right away said if Turiaf had been in the game on those 2 plays i don't think Collison has that wide open lane to put up some weak shot like that without it getting swatted or at least fouled hard & denied an easy basket... don't get me wrong i'm in no way trying to make JJ out to be only the scapegoat here, this team should have blown the Pacers out tonight especially after that horrible loss at home the game previous, STAT fumbling that pass in the paint from Billups was inexcusable i didn't like his body language at all down the stretch it looked like he was tired or disinterested, or maybe he's not feeling comfortable with the fact that he's no longer the go to guy down the stretch of games, who knows... all i know is this team has more than enough talent to beat teams like the Pacers there's just no excuse for these kinds of defensive performances... i would just like to see MDA make some logical decisions with his rotation for once & play guys that can bang in the paint against guys like Hibbert & stop trying to force JJ into the rotation for 25 minutes every game.

MSG3 wrote:I'm numb to this loss. I pray this is still growing pains. I pray that the way the Knicks were playing when Billups went down was more of a sign of htings to come than this garbage. We've been putrid since the 4th quarter of the Memphis game. Even the Heat just lost 5 in a row...but not to the likes of the Pacers.

We have no idea what we're doing on defense. Our coach has no idea how coach these players or enduce effort. Our stars are not playing like stars and getting the most out of others like stars do.

I hope we put it together, but with Memphis, Boston and Orlando (twice) coming up we could be in serious trouble. This fu--ing sucks.

MSG3 wrote:I dont understand why Sheldon Williams doesn't get any burn when it's clear that Hansborough is scoring at will. I just don't get it. WHy is it so hard to adjust?

This I'll agree with. Pacers kept going to Hibbert down low when Amare had 5 fouls on him and there was 0 adjustment made. That was a bit curious.