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2/22/2011  12:23 AM
crzymdups wrote:I like Corey Brewer a lot, I hope we play him and I think he helps our bench a TON.

in Minnesota games this season, he's looked like a FANtastic defender and can hit the three.

Seriously - Brewer is good.

Corey Brewer is awful.

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2/22/2011  12:24 AM
crzymdups wrote:I like Corey Brewer a lot, I hope we play him and I think he helps our bench a TON.

in Minnesota games this season, he's looked like a FANtastic defender and can hit the three.

Seriously - Brewer is good.

was never a huge brewer fan coming out of florida (but that was because of where he was projected on being drafted) but i do think he can be useful here for us. i can definitely see him serving a raja bell type role for d'antoni...ie, play great defense and give us a little offense where he can.

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2/22/2011  12:25 AM
Should we be thanking Isiah?
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2/22/2011  12:27 AM
crzymdups wrote:I like Corey Brewer a lot, I hope we play him and I think he helps our bench a TON.

in Minnesota games this season, he's looked like a FANtastic defender and can hit the three.

Seriously - Brewer is good.

Brewer has a rep as a good defender. He's definitely athletic. But his career #s say he can not hit the three. I hope he shoots 0. Seriously. With Billups/Melo/Amare/Shawne Williams/Bill Walker/Fields and even TD, there is absolutely no reason for Brewer to shoot 3s. Hopefully he can run the defend, run the floor and finish, make good cuts off extra attention given to the 2 big guns.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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2/22/2011  12:30 AM
With Corey Brewer and Shelden Williams we have two former top 10 draft picks. Both busts to this point, but young enough where there may still be something to develop that scouts originally were fond of.
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2/22/2011  12:36 AM
VDesai wrote:With Corey Brewer and Shelden Williams we have two former top 10 draft picks. Both busts to this point, but young enough where there may still be something to develop that scouts originally were fond of.

Poster at Minny's sbnation blog say he is 38% from 3 as a starter. And proclaim him their best defender.

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2/22/2011  12:39 AM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I like Corey Brewer a lot, I hope we play him and I think he helps our bench a TON.

in Minnesota games this season, he's looked like a FANtastic defender and can hit the three.

Seriously - Brewer is good.

Brewer has a rep as a good defender. He's definitely athletic. But his career #s say he can not hit the three. I hope he shoots 0. Seriously. With Billups/Melo/Amare/Shawne Williams/Bill Walker/Fields and even TD, there is absolutely no reason for Brewer to shoot 3s. Hopefully he can run the defend, run the floor and finish, make good cuts off extra attention given to the 2 big guns.

Don't know anything about Brewer but a quick google for videos shows some nice skills.

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2/22/2011  12:40 AM
Olbrannon wrote:
VDesai wrote:With Corey Brewer and Shelden Williams we have two former top 10 draft picks. Both busts to this point, but young enough where there may still be something to develop that scouts originally were fond of.

Poster at Minny's sbnation blog say he is 38% from 3 as a starter. And proclaim him their best defender.

West Coast Workout Swing: Day 2 (Joakim Noah, Corey Brewer, etc)
May 17, 2007
Fresh off a national championship, Brewer has been in Los Angeles for about a week now, and is clearly still working himself back into shape after the extended post-championship holiday him and his teammates took following their triumph in Atlanta. From the workout we saw, it’s pretty clear that AIB is trying to get Brewer as comfortable as possible creating shots for himself on the perimeter by adding more versatility to his ball-handling and mid-range game. While at Florida he was most effective as a catch and shoot player or taking advantage of defensive rotations to explode off the dribble going left and finish with a finger roll, Brewer has a lot of work to do on polishing up his half-court game and being a consistent shot-creating threat in the NBA.

Has obviously has some outstanding tools to work with, including great quickness, a superb first step, and the kind of smooth fluidity that you just can’t find anywhere else. As we’ve mentioned many times this year already, it’s pretty amazing how effective a player Brewer is considering how much room he still has left to improve on his skill-set. His handle is pretty loose, his jumper is streaky, and only weighing out around 180 pounds, he’ll probably be one of the skinniest 6-9 players to play in the NBA in quite some time.

With that said, Brewer’s shooting has a ton of potential as we saw in the Final Four this year, where he was named Most Outstanding Player for those who forgot. His shooting mechanics are clean and very fluid, with a crisp, quick release, good balance, and the ability to get his shot off almost whenever he wants thanks to his height and length. He shot around 70% from 16-17 feet out from what we charted, and about 60% from the NBA 3. Those are decent, but definitely improvable numbers, although it’s not hard to envision him becoming a very solid NBA shooter considering his mechanics and work ethic. His shot can flatten out at times in terms of the arc he gets on it, something that he’s already working on from what we were told. He put up a ton of jump-shots in the time we saw him, and was pretty streaky overall.

Obviously not being a pure “drills” player in terms of his skill-set, it was in the five on five pick-up game where Brewer really shined. He looked a bit bored at times doing some of the drills, but his competitive juices really got flowing once the ball went in the air. He made some fantastic passes all game long whenever the ball was in his hands, including a beautiful alleyoop pass to Martell Webster to start off the game.

Always there was his uncanny sense for sniffing out steals in the passing lanes, and he looked incredibly smooth slithering through the defense with his terrific first step to get his shot off. Despite his skinny frame, he took the bulkier Marcel Jones down into the post on a number of occasions to finish with a turnaround jumper or up and under, and on one occasion exploded over the top of a couple of opponents for an awesome put-back dunk. Even though Brewer later told us that he was instructed not to play too hard and to avoid risking an injury at all costs, it was pretty hard for us to see that on the court. At one point Brewer went careening off the court and crashed into the weight room fencing just to save a loose ball. If that’s indicative of Brewer’s innate competitiveness in a setting like this, one can imagine how he’ll compete when every possession counts. The one negative we could analyze from this setting was probably his pull-up jumper, which was not really falling for him at a high rate.

All in all, Brewer looked and played the part of a top 10 pick, and considering team needs factors and the strength of this draft on the wing, he should not end up sitting too long in the Green Room on draft night.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Corey-Brewer-414/#ixzz1EfC6V5Ig
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2/22/2011  12:42 AM
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2/22/2011  12:42 AM
Olbrannon wrote:
VDesai wrote:With Corey Brewer and Shelden Williams we have two former top 10 draft picks. Both busts to this point, but young enough where there may still be something to develop that scouts originally were fond of.

Poster at Minny's sbnation blog say he is 38% from 3 as a starter. And proclaim him their best defender.

His shot is super iffy, but he was a lockdown perimeter defender at Florida. I think defensive type players look bad on bad teams- because bad teams generally can't score and one guy playing defense doesn't make a difference in results.

Shelden Williams was also considered the "landlord" because he owned the paint. Knicks acquired two young players who were drafted top 10 because of their defensive pedigree primarily. If they add them to the rotation they could improve defensively.

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2/22/2011  12:51 AM
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Uptown wrote:I excited abut the trade but I have question for those that still believe Isiah is playing puppet master. Why does Walsh get a pass for this trade when it was Walsh who pulled the trigger on the Houston deal last year when he gave up a lotto pick, the right to swap another and a rookie in Jordan Hill all for cap space and Jeffries contract? That seemed like an Isiah deal to me but nobody blamed Zeke. Now that we get our second star and give up a pick, every assumes its Isiah?
I made numerous posts that it was Dolan who forced the TMac trade and gave up way too much. And, as we know, he is advised by Isiah. This trade also, same thing. Isn't the whole thing obvious?

Walsh may have had his arm twisted a bit here....but he doesn't seem like the type to just eat **** and ask for more. i think if Dolan forced his hand last year he would've just resigned after last season.

donnie also admitted it was his fault and that it was a mistake before.

Let the Linsanity ensue!!!!!!
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2/22/2011  12:54 AM
aienjell wrote:donnie also admitted it was his fault and that it was a mistake before.

No, he didn't.

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2/22/2011  12:57 AM
The trade's done, and although we got mugged compared to gambling in the offseason, we have Melo now, and it's time for Walsh to get some more deals sealed.
Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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2/22/2011  1:01 AM
Man i'm actually pretty pleased with the players we ended up with in this deal. Nothing spectacular, but we actually need a Big that can really rebound and bang a little. Shelden should be quite useful. A kid like Brewer could also be very useful as a defensive substitution.
I Love what Billups brings to the table as a leader, shooter and solid Finals winning PG. Of course then we have the the big chip in Melo. I don't see a downside to this except that they don't have a lot of time to develop chemistry. This is a better team today than it was yesterday IMO.

No more wondering if Chandler and Gallo are gonna actually bring it this game. As much as I like those guys, it was a bit disappointing how too often they just didn't come thru. It seemed to be a mental thing. They didn't always play with that aggression or confidence of a Star and we needed them to play that way. We won't have to worry about that with Melo.

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2/22/2011  1:02 AM
VDesai wrote:
Olbrannon wrote:
VDesai wrote:With Corey Brewer and Shelden Williams we have two former top 10 draft picks. Both busts to this point, but young enough where there may still be something to develop that scouts originally were fond of.

Poster at Minny's sbnation blog say he is 38% from 3 as a starter. And proclaim him their best defender.

His shot is super iffy, but he was a lockdown perimeter defender at Florida. I think defensive type players look bad on bad teams- because bad teams generally can't score and one guy playing defense doesn't make a difference in results.

Shelden Williams was also considered the "landlord" because he owned the paint. Knicks acquired two young players who were drafted top 10 because of their defensive pedigree primarily. If they add them to the rotation they could improve defensively.

man, I certainly hope what you say holds for both.

Brewer, if he can become of the Bruce Bowen mold would be nice.

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2/22/2011  1:04 AM
martin wrote:
VDesai wrote:
Olbrannon wrote:
VDesai wrote:With Corey Brewer and Shelden Williams we have two former top 10 draft picks. Both busts to this point, but young enough where there may still be something to develop that scouts originally were fond of.

Poster at Minny's sbnation blog say he is 38% from 3 as a starter. And proclaim him their best defender.

His shot is super iffy, but he was a lockdown perimeter defender at Florida. I think defensive type players look bad on bad teams- because bad teams generally can't score and one guy playing defense doesn't make a difference in results.

Shelden Williams was also considered the "landlord" because he owned the paint. Knicks acquired two young players who were drafted top 10 because of their defensive pedigree primarily. If they add them to the rotation they could improve defensively.

man, I certainly hope what you say holds for both.

Brewer, if he can become of the Bruce Bowen mold would be nice.

Neither can shoot- which means I don't know if they make MDA's rotation. But MDA may have no choice but to play Shelden Williams because he has no size. Turiaf doesn't play half the games.

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2/22/2011  1:05 AM
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aienjell wrote:donnie also admitted it was his fault and that it was a mistake before.

No, he didn't.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2010/09/23/2010-09-23_walsh_regrets_dealing_no_1_pick.html
pretty sure he did

Let the Linsanity ensue!!!!!!
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2/22/2011  1:05 AM
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2/22/2011  1:06 AM
VDesai wrote:
Olbrannon wrote:
VDesai wrote:With Corey Brewer and Shelden Williams we have two former top 10 draft picks. Both busts to this point, but young enough where there may still be something to develop that scouts originally were fond of.

Poster at Minny's sbnation blog say he is 38% from 3 as a starter. And proclaim him their best defender.

His shot is super iffy, but he was a lockdown perimeter defender at Florida. I think defensive type players look bad on bad teams- because bad teams generally can't score and one guy playing defense doesn't make a difference in results.

Shelden Williams was also considered the "landlord" because he owned the paint. Knicks acquired two young players who were drafted top 10 because of their defensive pedigree primarily. If they add them to the rotation they could improve defensively.

Brewer, Noah, Lee, Williams all have suffered at least a loss at the hands of the mighty 'Noles whatever rings they may have. I was always impressed with Brewer and Noah from that UF group more than Lee or Horford. But that was a whale of a team.

Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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2/22/2011  1:08 AM
matt wrote:

I fully intend on buying authentic Amar'e and Melo jerseys. Amar'e everyone knows why. That's why Melo is Melo.

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