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1/17/2011  4:40 PM
I think this is one pick that Donnie had wrong. They thought they can convert TD into a PG and TD is proving right now that he has horrible vision. He really is a guard that you can put in 15 min a game and that is it. Nothing wrong with that, all teams need a player like that. We need a better backup PG.
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1/17/2011  5:21 PM
Hard to tell people to back off of the 3's when SSOL is built around the 3. Its not so much decision making, as it is coaching. I think SSOL is the problem, but i know this probably falls on deaf ears here.
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1/17/2011  6:39 PM
Killa4luv wrote:Hard to tell people to back off of the 3's when SSOL is built around the 3. Its not so much decision making, as it is coaching. I think SSOL is the problem, but i know this probably falls on deaf ears here.

that's cause your assumption that SSOL is built around 3's is incorrect.

It's built around getting a shot off before the defense sets (off of fast break opportunities), and then it's the same thing starting with PnR.

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1/17/2011  6:42 PM
Killa4luv wrote:Hard to tell people to back off of the 3's when SSOL is built around the 3. Its not so much decision making, as it is coaching. I think SSOL is the problem, but i know this probably falls on deaf ears here.

not totally. but i've seen it go both ways. i've seen mda get them to exploit movement and passes toward the hoop more, and in fact rein in the 3's. and it has a big positive impact on the effectiveness of the team. SSOL can be done well in which case it's an advantage or it can be done like s##t.

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1/17/2011  7:00 PM
this was a bad loss and it left a bad taste in my mouth. first remedy for that will be several glasses of cabernet sauvignon.
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1/17/2011  7:02 PM
Too much Melo drama seems to be weighing the team down. Our play is going south, too much focus on Melo must be playing on the guys on court. I want Melo here as muc as the next guy, but I want to root for the guys in Orange and Blue right now. They are working through a tough schedule and putting it out on the floor, they deserve our support.
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1/17/2011  7:08 PM
loweyecue wrote:Too much Melo drama seems to be weighing the team down. Our play is going south, too much focus on Melo must be playing on the guys on court. I want Melo here as muc as the next guy, but I want to root for the guys in Orange and Blue right now. They are working through a tough schedule and putting it out on the floor, they deserve our support.

i disagree. i don't think it affects them at all once the game starts. i just think there was too much s###ty play out there today.

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1/17/2011  7:26 PM
Frustrating game to watch. The D was awful. Phoenix was open all day on their jumpers. I understand we're a scoring team but you can't give up 129 points and expect to win. It really sucks that we have no homecourt advantage either.
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1/17/2011  7:26 PM
tkf wrote:TOUGH LOSS.. not enough defense and passing..

Amare has to rebound more.. great scoring today, but he has to rebound.. 41 points

gallo: 17 points, shot well, defended, hustled, 4-3 and 8-9 from theline. efficient game.

Felton: stop shooting so much..

Chandler: see felton and back off on the threes.

fields; solid game, typical fields game 11/9 boards

Williams: cold from downtown 0-3, and he has to defend better..


walker: should have played more and gotten more shots..

TD: shut him down if he is hurt.. just not playing well..

We missed turiaf today for sure..

22-18 with two tough games vs the spurs and thunder.. DAMN!!

Yeah, nice D leaving Grant Hill open all game long.

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1/17/2011  7:37 PM
Martin Luther King is rolling in his grave after this grave defeat.
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1/17/2011  7:39 PM
Killa4luv wrote:Hard to tell people to back off of the 3's when SSOL is built around the 3. Its not so much decision making, as it is coaching. I think SSOL is the problem, but i know this probably falls on deaf ears here.

Seems to me that we lost to an SSOL type offense today, and it looked fine when done well. Nash ran the P&R or drove to/under the basket and kicked it out, and they had great success off of this. Nash scored only 2 points going to the basket (not including foul shots), yet you had the feeling that he was controlling his team's offense more than Felton controlled ours.

In some ways, because we now feature Amare in isolation so much, and Felton does not drive to the hoop and kick out that often, we really don't run the offense which MDA would consider an ideal offense, IMO.

Our problem on O is not really the system, but how we execute and make decisions.

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1/17/2011  7:52 PM
iSergio wrote:
tkf wrote:TOUGH LOSS.. not enough defense and passing..

Amare has to rebound more.. great scoring today, but he has to rebound.. 41 points

gallo: 17 points, shot well, defended, hustled, 4-3 and 8-9 from theline. efficient game.

Felton: stop shooting so much..

Chandler: see felton and back off on the threes.

fields; solid game, typical fields game 11/9 boards

Williams: cold from downtown 0-3, and he has to defend better..


walker: should have played more and gotten more shots..

TD: shut him down if he is hurt.. just not playing well..

We missed turiaf today for sure..

22-18 with two tough games vs the spurs and thunder.. DAMN!!

Yeah, nice D leaving Grant Hill open all game long.


Give it a rest, bro.

Gallo played pretty effective D, especially early on when he seemed to have better legs. Bad play on a big score-the Carter 3- where he guarded down low and left Carter open (Don't think Carter was someone else's man- but not sure). Gallo has a tendency to be overly protective of the paint, and gamble that an opponent's rotation will not take advantage of the fact that he is cheating down low, but perhaps this is because we are so vulnerable in the paint.

We are switching all the time on D-perhaps too much, so it is not easy to assign blame as if you are looking at a 1/1 matchup, unless, or course, you have an ax to grind.

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1/17/2011  8:28 PM
NYKBocker wrote:I think this is one pick that Donnie had wrong. They thought they can convert TD into a PG and TD is proving right now that he has horrible vision. He really is a guard that you can put in 15 min a game and that is it. Nothing wrong with that, all teams need a player like that. We need a better backup PG.

i think he can be effective in a scorer's role & using his defensive skills off the bench to ballhawk... it's when we ask him to orchestrate that he struggles... right now he's also battling some injuries that are slowing him down so he doesn't have the same quickness going to the basket.

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1/17/2011  8:47 PM
TMS wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:I think this is one pick that Donnie had wrong. They thought they can convert TD into a PG and TD is proving right now that he has horrible vision. He really is a guard that you can put in 15 min a game and that is it. Nothing wrong with that, all teams need a player like that. We need a better backup PG.

i think he can be effective in a scorer's role & using his defensive skills off the bench to ballhawk... it's when we ask him to orchestrate that he struggles... right now he's also battling some injuries that are slowing him down so he doesn't have the same quickness going to the basket.

more reason to shut him down..

we loss this game at the FT line, they made 8 more FT's then we did, took 6 more.

TD is inconsistant in every aspect of the game, shooting, defense, rebounding, passing, his IQ...

Whats worse then some one who's inconsistant in any walks of life, after a while your like, why even bother

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1/17/2011  8:51 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
TMS wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:I think this is one pick that Donnie had wrong. They thought they can convert TD into a PG and TD is proving right now that he has horrible vision. He really is a guard that you can put in 15 min a game and that is it. Nothing wrong with that, all teams need a player like that. We need a better backup PG.

i think he can be effective in a scorer's role & using his defensive skills off the bench to ballhawk... it's when we ask him to orchestrate that he struggles... right now he's also battling some injuries that are slowing him down so he doesn't have the same quickness going to the basket.

more reason to shut him down..

we loss this game at the FT line, they made 8 more FT's then we did, took 6 more.

TD is inconsistant in every aspect of the game, shooting, defense, rebounding, passing, his IQ...

Whats worse then some one who's inconsistant in any walks of life, after a while your like, why even bother

yeah well we don't exactly have many other options at the PG position at this point... unless u think Andy Rautins can do a better job... i dunno if he could or couldn't... at this point i'm down to try anything.

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1/18/2011  10:06 AM
Thing is, you gotta be both def and dope in this league to get the W, the Knicks didn't get the W yesterday, and that's really the root of the problem. If you want to solve the problem, you go to the root, so they have to extract the root and go for the W in the next game.
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1/18/2011  11:09 AM
TMS wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
TMS wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:I think this is one pick that Donnie had wrong. They thought they can convert TD into a PG and TD is proving right now that he has horrible vision. He really is a guard that you can put in 15 min a game and that is it. Nothing wrong with that, all teams need a player like that. We need a better backup PG.

i think he can be effective in a scorer's role & using his defensive skills off the bench to ballhawk... it's when we ask him to orchestrate that he struggles... right now he's also battling some injuries that are slowing him down so he doesn't have the same quickness going to the basket.

more reason to shut him down..

we loss this game at the FT line, they made 8 more FT's then we did, took 6 more.

TD is inconsistant in every aspect of the game, shooting, defense, rebounding, passing, his IQ...

Whats worse then some one who's inconsistant in any walks of life, after a while your like, why even bother

yeah well we don't exactly have many other options at the PG position at this point... unless u think Andy Rautins can do a better job... i dunno if he could or couldn't... at this point i'm down to try anything.

Yeah. I think we should shut him down and give Rautins a try. Just don't give Mason Jr another try. Seems to be a nice guy, just not what we need right now.

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1/18/2011  11:13 AM
Paladin55 wrote:
iSergio wrote:
tkf wrote:TOUGH LOSS.. not enough defense and passing..

Amare has to rebound more.. great scoring today, but he has to rebound.. 41 points

gallo: 17 points, shot well, defended, hustled, 4-3 and 8-9 from theline. efficient game.

Felton: stop shooting so much..

Chandler: see felton and back off on the threes.

fields; solid game, typical fields game 11/9 boards

Williams: cold from downtown 0-3, and he has to defend better..


walker: should have played more and gotten more shots..

TD: shut him down if he is hurt.. just not playing well..

We missed turiaf today for sure..

22-18 with two tough games vs the spurs and thunder.. DAMN!!

Yeah, nice D leaving Grant Hill open all game long.


Give it a rest, bro.

Gallo played pretty effective D, especially early on when he seemed to have better legs. Bad play on a big score-the Carter 3- where he guarded down low and left Carter open (Don't think Carter was someone else's man- but not sure). Gallo has a tendency to be overly protective of the paint, and gamble that an opponent's rotation will not take advantage of the fact that he is cheating down low, but perhaps this is because we are so vulnerable in the paint.

We are switching all the time on D-perhaps too much, so it is not easy to assign blame as if you are looking at a 1/1 matchup, unless, or course, you have an ax to grind.

The Half Man/Half a Season 3 was definately a missed switch. I believe it was between Shawne Williams and Gallo.

iSergio - This is why I can't take your assessment of Gallo seriously. Gallo had the most effective game yesterday. Also, it was Carter who was the difference yesterday. He took advantage of all the switching we are making. That is how to attack our switch defense, attack the rim in mid switch.

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