CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Your friend was right. D'Antoni needs to develop those scrubs that were on the floor especially if one is 21 years old, was a lottery pick, and the GM wanted to draft him over the guy the coach convinced him to take.

So mostly you want to give AR the Eddie Curry treatment? Play him just to force minutes? What ever happened to players earning minutes?

Has MDA worked Williams into the rotation? He is a fav of the GM too, was a lottery pick and is young.

MDA has also turned to Fields, a ROOKIE. Starting him.

Second year Toney Douglas is getting a lot of minutes.

Is MDA not developing players or is he developing players?

I know you have read what my opinion is on this many times because you are quick to comment on it. I think Randolph should be given the chance Mosgov was given. Ten minutes a game to get some rythm and flow. Its nothing outrageous but there is a track record with D'Antoni of not developing guys. Douglas did not get any run until Walsh traveled with the team last year to evaluate the players and coaching staff. I am excited about Fields and the fact that D'Antoni has been open minded about playing him. I am sure some of what D'Antoni has done as well as experience has helped Fields. But Fields came out of the draft ready to play so I am hesitant to give too much credit to D'Antoni. He had the smarts to recognize that his 23 year old rookie was an nba ready player and he put him in the starting line up. That is fantastic. He has done other guys wrong and bringing Randolph off the bench last is just another way to tell the youngest guy on the team that you have no faith in him. At least he didn't scream at him tonight but that has happened in the past.

this has been debunked about a million times. HOLY CRAP.

Knicks start season 3-8, Moz, AR played minutes. Knicks go out West and win 3 straight games and back to back again CHA - 5 straight - while AR gets pulled and Moz gets minutes diminished. Knicks lose to Hawks.

Knicks win 8 more in a row, all without BOTH Moz (for the most part) and AR.

There seems to be a trend of Moz and AR getting less minutes and the Knicks winning.

Crush, the Knicks NEED to make the playoffs this year. Are you willing to trade Wins for minutes for AR?

I wouldn't and clearly the coaching staff won't either.

OH, AR's biggest stretch of minutes this year is 7 games in a row. How many loses? 6 in a row.

fishmike wrote:tfk really? I heart Westbrook. He's not the true floor general but his passes find easy shots and he's a total monster on both ends of the court.

Regardless this was a great win. OKC had a great road record and were 4-1 on the 2nd half of b2bs. Knicks simply played great on both ends. You hear MDA yelling about defense? WTF... I thought he didnt care.

This was a much needed win

westbrook is a great athlete, but him running point is a mess to me.. why not put him at SG and let him work on his jumper there... he shot 10-24(24 shots? wow!!) from the PG spot, doesn't seem to create for his teamates.. not a huge fan of his... not saying he is a scrub, but at Pg, don't know how far OKC can go with him there..

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Your friend was right. D'Antoni needs to develop those scrubs that were on the floor especially if one is 21 years old, was a lottery pick, and the GM wanted to draft him over the guy the coach convinced him to take.

So mostly you want to give AR the Eddie Curry treatment? Play him just to force minutes? What ever happened to players earning minutes?

Has MDA worked Williams into the rotation? He is a fav of the GM too, was a lottery pick and is young.

MDA has also turned to Fields, a ROOKIE. Starting him.

Second year Toney Douglas is getting a lot of minutes.

Is MDA not developing players or is he developing players?

I know you have read what my opinion is on this many times because you are quick to comment on it. I think Randolph should be given the chance Mosgov was given. Ten minutes a game to get some rythm and flow. Its nothing outrageous but there is a track record with D'Antoni of not developing guys. Douglas did not get any run until Walsh traveled with the team last year to evaluate the players and coaching staff. I am excited about Fields and the fact that D'Antoni has been open minded about playing him. I am sure some of what D'Antoni has done as well as experience has helped Fields. But Fields came out of the draft ready to play so I am hesitant to give too much credit to D'Antoni. He had the smarts to recognize that his 23 year old rookie was an nba ready player and he put him in the starting line up. That is fantastic. He has done other guys wrong and bringing Randolph off the bench last is just another way to tell the youngest guy on the team that you have no faith in him. At least he didn't scream at him tonight but that has happened in the past.

this has been debunked about a million times. HOLY CRAP.

Knicks start season 3-8, Moz, AR played minutes. Knicks go out West and win 3 straight games and back to back again CHA - 5 straight - while AR gets pulled and Moz gets minutes diminished. Knicks lose to Hawks.

Knicks win 8 more in a row, all without BOTH Moz (for the most part) and AR.

There seems to be a trend of Moz and AR getting less minutes and the Knicks winning.

Crush, the Knicks NEED to make the playoffs this year. Are you willing to trade Wins for minutes for AR?

I wouldn't and clearly the coaching staff won't either.

OH, AR's biggest stretch of minutes this year is 7 games in a row. How many loses? 6 in a row.

markvmc wrote:And from the very same article:

And though Anthony Randolph had a few bright moments -- combined with a few confusing moments -- in the practice scrimmage, you don't get the sense that he is on the verge of jumping back into the mix. Randolph looks somewhat the same as he did in training camp, when he floated mostly on the perimeter, rarely attacked the glass and preferred to jog up the floor rather than use his speed to beat the opposing big man to get easy baskets.

And as I've said since September, this is a player who really isn't sure what he is at the NBA level. There is what he could be and what he wants to be and right now those appear to be two different things.

http://www.newsday.c...s-men-1.2558276

from same article alan hahn pointed out that ar needs to be coached up. but as you can read from mda, you got to make mda feel comfortable. sounds personal. its mike's job to coach, he should try that with ar, some time.

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Your friend was right. D'Antoni needs to develop those scrubs that were on the floor especially if one is 21 years old, was a lottery pick, and the GM wanted to draft him over the guy the coach convinced him to take.

So mostly you want to give AR the Eddie Curry treatment? Play him just to force minutes? What ever happened to players earning minutes?

Has MDA worked Williams into the rotation? He is a fav of the GM too, was a lottery pick and is young.

MDA has also turned to Fields, a ROOKIE. Starting him.

Second year Toney Douglas is getting a lot of minutes.

Is MDA not developing players or is he developing players?

I know you have read what my opinion is on this many times because you are quick to comment on it. I think Randolph should be given the chance Mosgov was given. Ten minutes a game to get some rythm and flow. Its nothing outrageous but there is a track record with D'Antoni of not developing guys. Douglas did not get any run until Walsh traveled with the team last year to evaluate the players and coaching staff. I am excited about Fields and the fact that D'Antoni has been open minded about playing him. I am sure some of what D'Antoni has done as well as experience has helped Fields. But Fields came out of the draft ready to play so I am hesitant to give too much credit to D'Antoni. He had the smarts to recognize that his 23 year old rookie was an nba ready player and he put him in the starting line up. That is fantastic. He has done other guys wrong and bringing Randolph off the bench last is just another way to tell the youngest guy on the team that you have no faith in him. At least he didn't scream at him tonight but that has happened in the past.

this has been debunked about a million times. HOLY CRAP.

Knicks start season 3-8, Moz, AR played minutes. Knicks go out West and win 3 straight games and back to back again CHA - 5 straight - while AR gets pulled and Moz gets minutes diminished. Knicks lose to Hawks.

Knicks win 8 more in a row, all without BOTH Moz (for the most part) and AR.

There seems to be a trend of Moz and AR getting less minutes and the Knicks winning.

Crush, the Knicks NEED to make the playoffs this year. Are you willing to trade Wins for minutes for AR?

I wouldn't and clearly the coaching staff won't either.

OH, AR's biggest stretch of minutes this year is 7 games in a row. How many loses? 6 in a row.

It has never been debunked and you can look back at Douglas's game log last year. Consecutive dnp's for Toney increased as the season went on until Walsh traveled with the team. He had 26 dnps coaches decision before Walsh traveled with the team on the March Texas road trip. It was never debunked but I think sometimes people that use facts and numbers to back their arguments do decide to have the second to last word and stop responding. I can post the dramatic increase in his numbers and how his minutes average went from 12 to 30+ a game and actually post the exact numbers but I have done that at least 20 times. I am done. Please post numbers regarding Douglas to debunk what I have posted and not rhetoric.

I'll debunk it for you... But first.

Any comment about the correlation between Knicks winning and AR/Moz NOT getting minutes?

Any comment about force feeding minutes to a guy like Curry who don't earn and deserve them? Is this the point where we force feed undeserved minutes to AR?

Any comment on Williams getting minutes?

Any comment on balancing wins versus risking giving AR minutes?

I am predicting crickets.

BlueSeats wrote:i don't know, i think young players like amare, joe johnson, barbosa, diaw, lee, etc, developed pretty well under d'antoni. (this in addition to the veterans who's careers peaked under him, ie, nash, marion, felton, etc.) is it possible people construe a short rotation as a lack of player development? if a deep rotation is your definition of player development, then no, he doesn't develop players, in spite of his obvious success with so many.

can we add Gallo, Chandler to list? TD seems to becoming along quite nicely.

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Your friend was right. D'Antoni needs to develop those scrubs that were on the floor especially if one is 21 years old, was a lottery pick, and the GM wanted to draft him over the guy the coach convinced him to take.

So mostly you want to give AR the Eddie Curry treatment? Play him just to force minutes? What ever happened to players earning minutes?

Has MDA worked Williams into the rotation? He is a fav of the GM too, was a lottery pick and is young.

MDA has also turned to Fields, a ROOKIE. Starting him.

Second year Toney Douglas is getting a lot of minutes.

Is MDA not developing players or is he developing players?

I know you have read what my opinion is on this many times because you are quick to comment on it. I think Randolph should be given the chance Mosgov was given. Ten minutes a game to get some rythm and flow. Its nothing outrageous but there is a track record with D'Antoni of not developing guys. Douglas did not get any run until Walsh traveled with the team last year to evaluate the players and coaching staff. I am excited about Fields and the fact that D'Antoni has been open minded about playing him. I am sure some of what D'Antoni has done as well as experience has helped Fields. But Fields came out of the draft ready to play so I am hesitant to give too much credit to D'Antoni. He had the smarts to recognize that his 23 year old rookie was an nba ready player and he put him in the starting line up. That is fantastic. He has done other guys wrong and bringing Randolph off the bench last is just another way to tell the youngest guy on the team that you have no faith in him. At least he didn't scream at him tonight but that has happened in the past.

this has been debunked about a million times. HOLY CRAP.

Knicks start season 3-8, Moz, AR played minutes. Knicks go out West and win 3 straight games and back to back again CHA - 5 straight - while AR gets pulled and Moz gets minutes diminished. Knicks lose to Hawks.

Knicks win 8 more in a row, all without BOTH Moz (for the most part) and AR.

There seems to be a trend of Moz and AR getting less minutes and the Knicks winning.

Crush, the Knicks NEED to make the playoffs this year. Are you willing to trade Wins for minutes for AR?

I wouldn't and clearly the coaching staff won't either.

OH, AR's biggest stretch of minutes this year is 7 games in a row. How many loses? 6 in a row.

It has never been debunked and you can look back at Douglas's game log last year. Consecutive dnp's for Toney increased as the season went on until Walsh traveled with the team. He had 26 dnps coaches decision before Walsh traveled with the team on the March Texas road trip. It was never debunked but I think sometimes people that use facts and numbers to back their arguments do decide to have the second to last word and stop responding. I can post the dramatic increase in his numbers and how his minutes average went from 12 to 30+ a game and actually post the exact numbers but I have done that at least 20 times. I am done. Please post numbers regarding Douglas to debunk what I have posted and not rhetoric.

I'll debunk it for you... But first.

Any comment about the correlation between Knicks winning and AR/Moz NOT getting minutes?

Any comment about force feeding minutes to a guy like Curry who don't earn and deserve them? Is this the point where we force feed undeserved minutes to AR?

Any comment on Williams getting minutes?

Any comment on balancing wins versus risking giving AR minutes?

I am predicting crickets.

cheers wrote:

martin wrote:

cheers wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:i don't know, i think young players like amare, joe johnson, barbosa, diaw, lee, etc, developed pretty well under d'antoni. (this in addition to the veterans who's careers peaked under him, ie, nash, marion, felton, etc.) is it possible people construe a short rotation as a lack of player development? if a deep rotation is your definition of player development, then no, he doesn't develop players, in spite of his obvious success with so many.

mike brought to phx a very player friendly run and gun system. that at the time was relatively new and hard to counter. now its old, teams been know how to counter it. you just cant live off of past glory, ask larry brown. what is mda doing lately

winning in NY more than anyone expected.

But WTF does that have to do with anything being discussed.

in RecordPredictor i put in 54 game win for this season. i would have put 54W even if coach spo was coaching the knicks.

yay

cheers wrote:in RecordPredictor i put in 54 game win for this season. i would have put 54W even if coach spo was coaching the knicks.

that's all i needed to know, thanks.

BlueSeats wrote:

cheers wrote:in RecordPredictor i put in 54 game win for this season. i would have put 54W even if coach spo was coaching the knicks.

that's all i needed to know, thanks.

you welcome.