Vmart wrote:I liked the fact that they took only 15 threes. They were driving to the hoop with aggressiveness and that was the difference. I like what Turiaff brought to the game he had some very good passes. Another thing RUN! RUN! RUN! That is when the team is at its best.

The low amount of threes was good, but another good thing, which may be even bigger than that, is that FELTON SUCCESSFULLY DID A PICK AND ROLL WITH AMARE. I was shocked when this happen. It hasn't happened all season.. I hope it finally clicked for him and we see this more often

matt wrote:

Vmart wrote:I liked the fact that they took only 15 threes. They were driving to the hoop with aggressiveness and that was the difference. I like what Turiaff brought to the game he had some very good passes. Another thing RUN! RUN! RUN! That is when the team is at its best.

The low amount of threes was good, but another good thing, which may be even bigger than that, is that FELTON SUCCESSFULLY DID A PICK AND ROLL WITH AMARE. I was shocked when this happen. It hasn't happened all season.. I hope it finally clicked for him and we see this more often

I highlighted the keyword in your post.

Papabear wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Olbrannon wrote:

martin wrote:

Olbrannon wrote:Could someone explain to me why Toney was getting chewed out for feeding Stat the ball up court on the break? I still don't get that.

I do. There are times and places to get Amare the ball. When on a fast break you want the big guy to be 1 dribble and dunk away from the basket with a mostly clear path to the rim, especially a guy like Amare how constantly dribbles off his foot. Toney got him the ball waaaayyy before the 3point line with like 2 defenders right next to him. If TD holds the ball more (I can't remember exactly where he was on the court), one or more of the defenders comes to the ball and Amare may not even have to dribble the ball before getting to rim if he is passed to.

It was a half court pass. I thought it was the responsibility of the guy out front to break so that he gets a path. I know I have seen Hamilton just chew people out cause they all broke down the middle of the floor. instead of taking an out-in motion to give them time to manuever.

I suppose he should just hold the ball and walk it up then instead of running the break

Man come on! The PG has to know when to pass and to who he's passing it to. Amar'e is a great finisher, but you don't want him to have to dribble in traffic on a fastbreak. I really can't stand the amount of criticism that is launched at Mike when the guy KNOWS WHAT THE F HE'S TALKING ABOUT! GEEZ! Let the man coach his damn team. He's not the problem, out young players are. THey need to learn how to play the game the right way. How to think and that's all Mike is doing.

Papabear Says

Mixluva: Mike D has had a pass for 2 years and now he must show what type of coach he is. Mike D is a gambler. Shoot the 3 all night. I can't wait till we get a real defensive coach in here. Get this straight!! This is not a 3 point shooting team and if they wanted one they should change the personell.

Nixluva says

Papabear you have no idea what you're talking about! Please go and learn more about the game before posting nonsense. Mike is trying to teach his players how to use the system properly and part of it is taking a GOOD 3pt shot, but they have to learn what that is. Last night they did it right. They still spread the floor, but used the other options that the spread floor is there to create.

I tell you guys what, before you try to tell me what Mike is doing wrong, go freakin learn what the plays are and whether the players are executing them correctly or not. Many of you don't know what you're talking about or what you're looking at. I'm not trying to talk down to you, just stating a fact. If you look at the plays you'd see that they are designed to create easy scores. The 3 is the last option in all of the sets, but players have a tendency to get lazy and jack shots. That's the case in all systems, but since this one is so famous for taking the 3, they feel that is all that the offense is about. It's not and never has been.

scoshin wrote:Why is that when anyone ever says, "You don't know what SSOL is! We're not running it!" they then proceed to not explain what it is themselves. Just offhanded remarks like, "go read the book."

Still, tonight was the first night where I saw a lot more plays than just the Amare-iso or the high post pick and roll. Chandler and Fields were running a lot of curls, and there was one play where Gallo fed a curling Chandler, who then drove it strong to the basket. We need more plays like that where we pass to players in motion.

Conclusion: D'Antoni still sucks and we'd be better off with someone who doesn't coach by their gut, but I'm glad for the win, and hope we can steal the next 2 from the David Lee-less Warriors and Kaman-less Clippers. 6-8 I can stomach for the month of November.

I'm also disappointed somewhat that AR is now out of the rotation...yeah he sucks, and dumb as bricks, but we're killing his trade value, and he has no confidence when he comes into the game. He needs a new coach more than anyone on the roster.

you would rather us stick with AR and continue to lose or risk losing games that may be winnable at that expense?

Tough call either way. Maybe Knicks dont want to trade AR yet. I think they need to get on a little bit of a roll before they can allow for the guys to play with mistakes (Moz AR).

martin wrote:

scoshin wrote:Why is that when anyone ever says, "You don't know what SSOL is! We're not running it!" they then proceed to not explain what it is themselves. Just offhanded remarks like, "go read the book."

Still, tonight was the first night where I saw a lot more plays than just the Amare-iso or the high post pick and roll. Chandler and Fields were running a lot of curls, and there was one play where Gallo fed a curling Chandler, who then drove it strong to the basket. We need more plays like that where we pass to players in motion.

Conclusion: D'Antoni still sucks and we'd be better off with someone who doesn't coach by their gut, but I'm glad for the win, and hope we can steal the next 2 from the David Lee-less Warriors and Kaman-less Clippers. 6-8 I can stomach for the month of November.

I'm also disappointed somewhat that AR is now out of the rotation...yeah he sucks, and dumb as bricks, but we're killing his trade value, and he has no confidence when he comes into the game. He needs a new coach more than anyone on the roster.

you would rather us stick with AR and continue to lose or risk losing games that may be winnable at that expense?

Tough call either way. Maybe Knicks dont want to trade AR yet. I think they need to get on a little bit of a roll before they can allow for the guys to play with mistakes (Moz AR).

In the games AR has played, his defense and rebounding have actually been very welcome. It's just that he tries to do too much on offense, trying to bring the ball up the court as a 6'11 forward, taking shots away from Chandler or whoever else is in the second unit with him...If he can be coached to just play within the offense like Turiaf does, and just concentrate on defense/rebounding/putbacks/cutting to the basket, I see no reason why he can't get his 15 mpg. Nearly all his mistakes this season, and in preseason, have come on the offensive side of the ball.

He also has the confidence of a girl, and while we shouldn't have to baby him, benching him now is just going to make him press, constantly look over his shoulder after every play, and make even dumber mistakes when he does come back in the rotation. I'd rather give him his 15 mpg, with a limited defensive/rebounding role, and let him gain back his confidence.

scoshin wrote:Why is that when anyone ever says, "You don't know what SSOL is! We're not running it!" they then proceed to not explain what it is themselves. Just offhanded remarks like, "go read the book."

Still, tonight was the first night where I saw a lot more plays than just the Amare-iso or the high post pick and roll. Chandler and Fields were running a lot of curls, and there was one play where Gallo fed a curling Chandler, who then drove it strong to the basket. We need more plays like that where we pass to players in motion.

Conclusion: D'Antoni still sucks and we'd be better off with someone who doesn't coach by their gut, but I'm glad for the win, and hope we can steal the next 2 from the David Lee-less Warriors and Kaman-less Clippers. 6-8 I can stomach for the month of November.

I'm also disappointed somewhat that AR is now out of the rotation...yeah he sucks, and dumb as bricks, but we're killing his trade value, and he has no confidence when he comes into the game. He needs a new coach more than anyone on the roster.

Mike doesn't suck and there's a reason that OTHER coaches use his plays and philosophies. Mike and the staff are constantly working to teach these players to execute properly and to recognize situations. This all takes time. If you think that all he has to do is tell AR to go out and make hustle plays and automatically AR will do the right thing, you're mistaken. If we win the next 2 games it won't be us stealing games. We've been playing below our capabilities the last 6 losses. This team isn't even close to maximizing it's potential.

tkf wrote:I will say this and it pretty much sums up what I call winning ball..

one was during the celtics game, the other the knicks game.

In the celtics game rondo cuts to the middle of the paint, receives a pass, and instead of forcing a contested shot, he immediately touch passes it out to garnett for an easy two point shot.. I am not a rondo fan, but he does play a winning style of ball now, even with his flaws...

In the knicks game, the kings brought in donte"afro brow" green to guard gallo... fields makes a sharp cut to the middle, gets the pass and almost in one motion finds gallo in the corner.. green who came over to help defend the cutting fields left gallo(as the kings announcers yelled not to leave him.. Lol) and gallo sank the three..

These plays are not dunks, or behind the back passes, nothing fancy.. just unselfish, instinctive, good plays.. winning plays... we just need a lot more of this....

I also want to mention that I see wilson and gallo working well together.. on one break chandler finds gallo for a nice pass and gallo is fouled. I wish he had passed it back to chandler for the dunk, but we still get the two points.. the other play, he and wilson work somewhat of a give and go which leads to chandler getting fouled... good teamwork.

These are things that show growth no matter who the opponent is. That's why it was a solid win. It was the teamwork and smart overall decision making that I liked. Guys like Fields, Chan & Gallo have the ability to make things happen and they need to be more active in setting each other up. I saw some good passes all the way around even tho there weren't a ton of assists, which is deceiving, cuz we got fouled more due to the good passing and driving more smartly. It wasn't some wild forced iso drive to the basket. It came off fakes, passes, cuts to the basket.

nixluva wrote:

tkf wrote:I will say this and it pretty much sums up what I call winning ball..

one was during the celtics game, the other the knicks game.

In the celtics game rondo cuts to the middle of the paint, receives a pass, and instead of forcing a contested shot, he immediately touch passes it out to garnett for an easy two point shot.. I am not a rondo fan, but he does play a winning style of ball now, even with his flaws...

In the knicks game, the kings brought in donte"afro brow" green to guard gallo... fields makes a sharp cut to the middle, gets the pass and almost in one motion finds gallo in the corner.. green who came over to help defend the cutting fields left gallo(as the kings announcers yelled not to leave him.. Lol) and gallo sank the three..

These plays are not dunks, or behind the back passes, nothing fancy.. just unselfish, instinctive, good plays.. winning plays... we just need a lot more of this....

I also want to mention that I see wilson and gallo working well together.. on one break chandler finds gallo for a nice pass and gallo is fouled. I wish he had passed it back to chandler for the dunk, but we still get the two points.. the other play, he and wilson work somewhat of a give and go which leads to chandler getting fouled... good teamwork.

These are things that show growth no matter who the opponent is. That's why it was a solid win. It was the teamwork and smart overall decision making that I liked. Guys like Fields, Chan & Gallo have the ability to make things happen and they need to be more active in setting each other up. I saw some good passes all the way around even tho there weren't a ton of assists, which is deceiving, cuz we got fouled more due to the good passing and driving more smartly. It wasn't some wild forced iso drive to the basket. It came off fakes, passes, cuts to the basket.

good point... people brush it off as being the kings.. but if you play bad, teams like that, even bad teams can beat you.. and we are in no position now to look down on any team..