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Game Thread: New York Knicks (1-2) @ Chicago Bulls (2-1) - Thursday, November 4, 2010 - 8:00 PM EST on TNT
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Childs2Dudley
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11/5/2010  1:40 AM
masud wrote:How often do teams hold onto a 20 point 1st half lead on the road? You guys are acting like we let them back in the game, the never got within 7! And it took Korver getting hot from 3 for them to even get that close.

Uh, a lot?

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11/5/2010  1:41 AM
masud wrote:How often do teams hold onto a 20 point 1st half lead on the road? You guys are acting like we let them back in the game, the never got within 7! And it took Korver getting hot from 3 for them to even get that close.

Yeah and also, how exactly do you get a 20+ lead? You have to get stops! So the Knicks again played some D, but this time they hit some shots as well. This team hasn't been in real trouble in any of these games against good competition. They've been fighting and also fighting themselves in terms of not being in synch, but they've been competitive regardless of their own issues.

We haven't really been getting the most out of our best player yet and still teams can't easily put is away. If you ask me we have far more potential to play better than we've seen so far. What was supposed to be the bread and butter of our offense has been nonexistent so far and we're still .500.
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11/5/2010  1:42 AM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
masud wrote:How often do teams hold onto a 20 point 1st half lead on the road? You guys are acting like we let them back in the game, the never got within 7! And it took Korver getting hot from 3 for them to even get that close.

Uh, a lot?

No not really, 90% of the time the home team makes some kind of run. Unless we're talking about LA at Minnasota or something.
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11/5/2010  1:46 AM
masud wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
masud wrote:How often do teams hold onto a 20 point 1st half lead on the road? You guys are acting like we let them back in the game, the never got within 7! And it took Korver getting hot from 3 for them to even get that close.

Uh, a lot?

No not really, 90% of the time the home team makes some kind of run. Unless we're talking about LA at Minnasota or something.

Ok man, you have no such statistic of what you're saying.

Teams don't just regularly blow 20 point leads because they're on the road. That's just wrong.

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11/5/2010  1:50 AM
In the NBA teams make 10pt runs all the time. You try to remain up by 20, but teams often have a human tendency to relax and that's how the other team often gets going. The important thing for us is that this time we held on and got some clutch shots. We didn't have flawless execution, but this was a tough defensive team so you have to acknowledge that as well.
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11/5/2010  2:37 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/5/2010  2:37 AM
nixluva wrote:You're mistaken if you think this team can't hit a good % of wide open shots. That's what this team practices doing. A D'Antoni team will kill you with 3's cuz he has the players shooting without a conscience.

i don't care how much they practice shooting 3's, they're not going to shoot 70% on a regular basis... we need to establish the inside game to have any consistent success in this league... u can't just live off the 3 pt shot.

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11/5/2010  4:40 AM
We had less turnovers, and made a lot more free throws... if we shot 50% from the 3 point line it woulda been close but we still woulda won I think. This game was a great confidence booster... don't be surprised if they win the next 3 straight.
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11/5/2010  6:49 AM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
masud wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
masud wrote:How often do teams hold onto a 20 point 1st half lead on the road? You guys are acting like we let them back in the game, the never got within 7! And it took Korver getting hot from 3 for them to even get that close.

Uh, a lot?

No not really, 90% of the time the home team makes some kind of run. Unless we're talking about LA at Minnasota or something.

Ok man, you have no such statistic of what you're saying.

Teams don't just regularly blow 20 point leads because they're on the road. That's just wrong.


I have the stat... It was a 100 perecnt before tonight because jennings and the bucks were up by 20 but chi came back end ended up winning by ten.
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11/5/2010  7:04 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/5/2010  7:10 AM
pretty interesting how upset folks are over winning a game that we led from practically from the start against one of the better teams in the east on the road. as if every win has to equal perfection. how many here predicted we even win this game?

of course we're not going to hit 2/3 of our 3 pointers (.667) but the shots were going down so the team was taking them.

i wasn't too pleased about the amar'e turnover situation, and i see more room for improvement in felton working with him, but ray did have 10 assists.

meanwhile td has been playing well since pre-season, and gallo at least showed up for a while.

from my point of view the team needs to build confidence in itself as much as it does in establishing style of play.

one interesting note, i didn't realize but not surprised based on what we are seeing, is that we led the nba in blocks coming into the game last night.

also, our defense, in general, is improved from last season. adjusted for pace we are currently 11th in the NBA in team defense.

http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats

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11/5/2010  8:49 AM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
masud wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
masud wrote:How often do teams hold onto a 20 point 1st half lead on the road? You guys are acting like we let them back in the game, the never got within 7! And it took Korver getting hot from 3 for them to even get that close.

Uh, a lot?

No not really, 90% of the time the home team makes some kind of run. Unless we're talking about LA at Minnasota or something.

Ok man, you have no such statistic of what you're saying.

Teams don't just regularly blow 20 point leads because they're on the road. That's just wrong.

It's not just about blowing a lead and losing the game. Teams make runs. Teams up by 20 don't always end up winning by 20. The point that masud was trying to make I think is that good teams are going to make runs when down by 20 and cut into the lead. The Knicks are not an elite team that will take the 20 point lead and extend it or sustain it for the rest of the game. Even the very very good teams do not do this all of the time.

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11/5/2010  9:42 AM
here is something that I did not like about the game: there were at least 2-3 times that Toney Douglas had the ball towards the end of the clock and had NO idea how much time remained.

As a PG this has to be instinctive.

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11/5/2010  9:46 AM
i literally watched the game at 6am this morn cause I was out drinkin on a school night last night

was it me or did Felton have the quietest 20 point, 10 assist night ever? or am i still half asleep?

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11/5/2010  9:57 AM
I thought this was a lucky win for the Knicks, but I will take it. They rely to much on the three and they aren't going to have many nights shooting like they had last night. Amare if forcing the issue and wants badly to be the man. His shooting percentage is dropping fast. This guy is suppose to be 55% from the floor. They need to get him closer to the basket and cut back on his jumpers.

Guys I know this is gonna sound crazy and far fetched but the Knicks can actually make use of Eddy Curry. I know everyone is down on him and so am I but as a Knicks fan I truely believe the Knicks can make use of Curry for the good. It is up to MDA to make good use of him and put everything behind him and start a fresh relationship with Curry. For the simple reason to avoid the double and triple teaming that Amare is getting. Moz isn't there yet and maybe year or two away before he make a bigger contribution. To rely on Eddy is asking a lot and something that won't work out anyways but just a thought.

As far as Rose, I don't know why people won't say it but he plays like Marbury. A scoring PG who wants to take over games. If you are a Rose fan sorry for the comparison. Scoring PGs are tough on team play even if they are getting assists at a high rate.
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11/5/2010  10:09 AM
Yeah they did a lot of damage from beyond the arc but what I'm psyched about is the fact that the Knicks are driving to the rim much more this season and its not just one player. Its been a problem for years
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11/5/2010  10:45 AM
There should be no "what ifs" about this game. What if Amar'e DIDN'T have the bad game WHILE we DIDN'T shoot so well from 3 point line? You have to look at it both ways. We found a way to win and that's the point and that's what matters, and what matters now is we have to play better tonight. Amar'e has to play smarter because the Wizards are a good team this year also and both Douglas and Felton have to be on their toes or else they will get burned.
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11/5/2010  11:08 AM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
masud wrote:How often do teams hold onto a 20 point 1st half lead on the road? You guys are acting like we let them back in the game, the never got within 7! And it took Korver getting hot from 3 for them to even get that close.

Uh, a lot?

I'm willing to bet that much more often or not, teams that have 20 point leads have that lead at least chipped away. Basketball, especially in the NBA, is a game of runs and it's also very easy to become complacent in it when you're up by so much. It happens. The Bulls were ready to fight back and the Knicks for whatever reason took a hit, but they still won in semi convincing fashion. Beating a good team on the road is an accomplishment. Now we have to beat a good team on our home court tonight.

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11/5/2010  11:25 AM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
masud wrote:How often do teams hold onto a 20 point 1st half lead on the road? You guys are acting like we let them back in the game, the never got within 7! And it took Korver getting hot from 3 for them to even get that close.

Uh, a lot?

LOL. Where is your statistic for "A lot"

You sure you know basketball?

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11/5/2010  11:41 AM
i dont know about some of you but i expect this team to hit their open jump shots if teams are quick to collapse on Amare.
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11/5/2010  11:52 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:I'm willing to bet that much more often or not, teams that have 20 point leads have that lead at least chipped away. Basketball, especially in the NBA, is a game of runs and it's also very easy to become complacent in it when you're up by so much. It happens. The Bulls were ready to fight back and the Knicks for whatever reason took a hit, but they still won in semi convincing fashion. Beating a good team on the road is an accomplishment. Now we have to beat a good team on our home court tonight.

I thought we were playing the Wizards?
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11/5/2010  12:12 PM
TMS wrote:
nixluva wrote:You're mistaken if you think this team can't hit a good % of wide open shots. That's what this team practices doing. A D'Antoni team will kill you with 3's cuz he has the players shooting without a conscience.

i don't care how much they practice shooting 3's, they're not going to shoot 70% on a regular basis... we need to establish the inside game to have any consistent success in this league... u can't just live off the 3 pt shot.

of course you cant, but there will be nights like this and you take them and don't look back.. but what you have to like is the defense, the blocks, the way we challenged shots... the passing.. things we didn't do in the pass.. so even if we don't shoot 70% at least we are showing we can do other things to win games...

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