Cosmic wrote:

TMS wrote:we should have traded Nate last year... as soon as Nate was re-signed to a 1 year deal, he should have been a focal point of the offense this season to try & raise his value & not treated as a pariah by the head coach... unlike Fishlips, Nate can actually play.

Yes, yes we should. Maybe even Lee as well.

But, the question is, what would we get back? Guys on 2010s and a few picks? If so, beautiful. If guys on 2011s, then, well, whoops - doesn't work.

I still laugh at people who say the Kings-Knicks deal wasn't a real 'rumor'.

It indeed was. The NBA granted the Kings and Knicks an extension until 3:15PM that afternoon to see if they could agree to a trade. They could not. This is factual information.

The principle parts were Jeffries+Nate for Kenny Thomas. Thoughts were more was involved and Walsh declined. I would speculate that Petrie, like any other GM that season, demanded a 1st rounder from us for the cap relief we sought.

But, well, now we're at TODAY. Can't do anything about yesterday anymore.

well this isn't hindsight reasoning cuz i was railing about this all last year before the trade deadline if u remember... people thought i was nuts to wanna trade Nate & Lee last year & they all trusted in Donnie's judgement to know what he was doing... we had some cats calling Nate the team's MVP last season for God's sakes! we passed up on dumping Fishlips & getting something we could actually USE in exchange for Nate, which was capspace in 2010, & Donnie declined on both & now this is the result... we just gave up a #8 lottery selection, swap rights for another only protected to 1 in 2011 & our pick outright in 2012 only protected to 5 (pretty much means they get the pick outright regardless)... i warned that passing up the opportunity to get back assets for Nate & Lee would come back & bite us in the ass & i think it has personally... i said all along if we end up with getting back nothing in return for Nate & Lee then it was a huge FAIL on Donnie's part & if Bill Walker & Giddens end up being renounced this offseason to clear their cap holds & D Lee is allowed to walk, then that's exactly what we ended up with.

Maybe we got more assets in return if we did it last year. Yet, to be honest, we did try. Nobody wanted Jeffries with Nate unless we gave up more. Donnie told all teams if you want Lee you take Curry.

And, that was right of him to do.

I think either way - as it's viewed today we "caved" to dump Jeffries with a high premium. Yet, I think given the history of last year, we had to also cave in with a high premium to make the same general deals last year.

For, if we didn't have to, the deals would have been done.

As to Lee I think it's quite possible he walks for nothing. There's a lower chance we S&T him and a low chance we retain him if we "strike out" in 2010.

50% walk. 30% retain. 20% S&T.

But, hey, in the end if we score Bosh and LeBron, what you ask yourself is: "Would I trade Hill, Lee, A 2012 pick, Nate, and the other garbage I hated on our roster - for Lebron and Bosh?"

I think the answer is: HELL F'IN YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's what the risk is all about.

The alternative? Continue to stink with mediocre players and win 35 games a year and pick 8th year after year and have no franchise player.

I'll.....take the risk Donnie is taking.

sidsanders wrote:

TMS wrote:Cos, if we end up with Lebron & Bosh or Wade this summer, all is obviously forgiven & Donnie will forever be remembered for that legacy... we'll see what happens this summer, but i'm not feeling overly confident & the assets we gave up makes it a do or die type situation in my view... July 1st is gonna be either Doom's Day or the Day of Rebirth for the Knicks' franchise.

this is what i have come to as well... like you i didnt think this was all in yet till this trade. they gotta score big now. still, im used to let downs with the knicks so i no longer get as mad as i used to...

i don't get real upset over moves unless we take bad risks in doing so... signing Turd to a full MLE was a bad risk... trading for McDyess was a bad risk... hopefully this T-Mac trade doesn't flop the way those moves did for all our sakes.