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McK1
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7/22/2009  4:07 PM
acquiring 1st round picks,
being opportunistic in the acquisition of talent,
which can both be done while still having cap flexibility >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hopes of signing Lebron

put a roster together that can compete and maybe Durant jumps ship in 012
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Posted by McK1:

acquiring 1st round picks,
being opportunistic in the acquisition of talent,
which can both be done while still having cap flexibility >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hopes of signing Lebron

put a roster together that can compete and maybe Durant jumps ship in 012

Walsh has done all of that.

first rd pick - check
opportunistic - check Rose for Wilcox, Moris Almond, Skeet, Sene, Crawford, Sims, Samb, Nichols, Roberson
cap flexibility - check
competing roster for 2012 - yet to be decided
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opportunistic - check Rose for Wilcox, Moris Almond, Skeet, Sene, Crawford, Sims, Samb, Nichols, Roberson

wow that is an impressive list of players!
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Man, reading this thread is great. I think its pretty obvious that Walsh is a total failure. I mean , he can't even hold the jock strap of the super unbelievable Mullin. And if only we could somehow got Avery to coach us he'd surely get us to the finals np.(as if the Suns team had better players than Mavs, afterall Dirk isn't one of the top 5 players in the NBA).
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Posted by ramtour420:

Man, reading this thread is great. I think its pretty obvious that Walsh is a total failure. I mean , he can't even hold the jock strap of the super unbelievable Mullin. And if only we could somehow got Avery to coach us he'd surely get us to the finals np.(as if the Suns team had better players than Mavs, afterall Dirk isn't one of the top 5 players in the NBA).

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Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by ramtour420:

Man, reading this thread is great. I think its pretty obvious that Walsh is a total failure. I mean , he can't even hold the jock strap of the super unbelievable Mullin. And if only we could somehow got Avery to coach us he'd surely get us to the finals np.(as if the Suns team had better players than Mavs, afterall Dirk isn't one of the top 5 players in the NBA).

Bring back Cap'n Zeke!

after 10 pages of this it doesn't seem all that bad rofl

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In Ainge's first year with the Celtics, he turned a 44 win team into a 36 win team. Walsh turned a 23 win team into a 32 win team. But apparently Ainge did a better job because they made the playoffs, with a record of 36-46.

Also, if Dumars is such a great GM, then why didn't he hire Avery Johnson?
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Posted by 30andOverClub:

In Ainge's first year with the Celtics, he turned a 44 win team into a 36 win team. Walsh turned a 23 win team into a 32 win team. But apparently Ainge did a better job because they made the playoffs, with a record of 36-46.

Also, if Dumars is such a great GM, then why didn't he hire Avery Johnson?

ainge in his 1st year of rebuilding boston acquired 2 first round picks and 4 second rounders.

detroit couldn't afford Avery. not every owner can pay multiple coaches millions.
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Posted by McK1:
Posted by 30andOverClub:

In Ainge's first year with the Celtics, he turned a 44 win team into a 36 win team. Walsh turned a 23 win team into a 32 win team. But apparently Ainge did a better job because they made the playoffs, with a record of 36-46.

Also, if Dumars is such a great GM, then why didn't he hire Avery Johnson?

ainge in his 1st year of rebuilding boston acquired 2 first round picks and 4 second rounders.

detroit couldn't afford Avery. not every owner can pay multiple coaches millions.

You said that Ainge made the playoffs the first year as if it were an accomplishment.

As for Avery, he has no job period at the moment.

Anyway, Walsh's plan, as he has stated from the beginning is to obtain cap flexibility while remaining competitive. The whole point is to be competitive enough that, come 2010, a major free agent (or two) will want to come to the Knicks. In Walsh's opinion, and I agree with him, no one is coming if we gut the team for draft picks and win 20 games this year. As that is Walsh's plan and he's sticking to it, how exactly do you expect him to obtain additional draft picks? Could he have traded Lee, Nate, Harrington, and Duhon for draft picks? I have no doubt. But that's not his plan, so why don't you wait to see if his plan pans out before ripping him to shreds?
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Posted by 30andOverClub:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by 30andOverClub:

In Ainge's first year with the Celtics, he turned a 44 win team into a 36 win team. Walsh turned a 23 win team into a 32 win team. But apparently Ainge did a better job because they made the playoffs, with a record of 36-46.

Also, if Dumars is such a great GM, then why didn't he hire Avery Johnson?

ainge in his 1st year of rebuilding boston acquired 2 first round picks and 4 second rounders.

detroit couldn't afford Avery. not every owner can pay multiple coaches millions.

You said that Ainge made the playoffs the first year as if it were an accomplishment.

As for Avery, he has no job period at the moment.

Anyway, Walsh's plan, as he has stated from the beginning is to obtain cap flexibility while remaining competitive. The whole point is to be competitive enough that, come 2010, a major free agent (or two) will want to come to the Knicks. In Walsh's opinion, and I agree with him, no one is coming if we gut the team for draft picks and win 20 games this year. As that is Walsh's plan and he's sticking to it, how exactly do you expect him to obtain additional draft picks? Could he have traded Lee, Nate, Harrington, and Duhon for draft picks? I have no doubt. But that's not his plan, so
why don't you wait to see if his plan pans out before ripping him to shreds
?

'cause people have different views on the best way to rebuild and its good to argue since you know you will have a lot of opposition on a knicks forum, besides if we don't get a major player in 2010 u can always come back with "i told u so"

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7/23/2009  12:10 AM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by newyorknewyork:


opportunistic - check Rose for Wilcox, Moris Almond, Skeet, Sene, Crawford, Sims, Samb, Nichols, Roberson

wow that is an impressive list of players!

These guys are all along the lines of Rodney Carney who you believe we should be going after in free agency. Regardless Walsh was still played opportunistic and targeted guys who were excelling in the D-League.
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7/23/2009  12:39 AM
Wilcox is the only one on that list with Carney's potential to be an impact rotational player and he is a Piston now.

I'm fine with Walsh handling the financial side of things. Hire Mullin to run the personnel part.

Avery not having a job is a good thing. Dantnoi'll be negotiating a buy-out to take the job in New Orleans when it opens up next summer and Avery can step right in.
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See McK1, this is why I don't contribute to these forums that often: because some people here are just plain bonkers.

You said that Dumars trading Billups for Iverson was a great trade. But all that trade did was get Dumars cap space and comparable talent to Billups. If the Pistons are/were at the end, and Dumars is such a great GM, why isn't he following your plan of accumulating draft picks? He could have traded Billups, Hamilton, McDyess, and Rasheed for a load of draft picks. Instead, he signed Hamilton to an extension and let the rest of them just expire.
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^^ yea.. then he brings in Ben Gordon, Charlie V and Wilcox. Thats a level of talent well below what Billups represents. Dumb
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Posted by 30andOverClub:

See McK1, this is why I don't contribute to these forums that often: because some people here are just plain bonkers.

You said that Dumars trading Billups for Iverson was a great trade. But all that trade did was get Dumars cap space and comparable talent to Billups. If the Pistons are/were at the end, and Dumars is such a great GM, why isn't he following your plan of accumulating draft picks? He could have traded Billups, Hamilton, McDyess, and Rasheed for a load of draft picks. Instead, he signed Hamilton to an extension and let the rest of them just expire.


Dumars took over Detroit in 2000. Please check their record since he became GM.

Whats the W-L?

How many years in the play-offs?

How much post-season success did they have?

If fielding a true title contender 4 straight seasons isn't a defining mark of a great exec then I don't know what it is.


[Edited by - McK1 on 07-23-2009 10:30 AM]
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Posted by fishmike:

^^ yea.. then he brings in Ben Gordon, Charlie V and Wilcox. Thats a level of talent well below what Billups represents. Dumb

lol what was Billups level of talent when he first got there? A little above bust. Somewhere in the realm of journeyman.
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Posted by McK1:
Posted by fishmike:

^^ yea.. then he brings in Ben Gordon, Charlie V and Wilcox. Thats a level of talent well below what Billups represents. Dumb

lol what was Billups level of talent when he first got there? A little above bust. Somewhere in the realm of journeyman.


When did this turn into a forum on the merits of Joe Dumars?

It's too early to judge Walsh. The End.
Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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Posted by McK1:
Posted by fishmike:

^^ yea.. then he brings in Ben Gordon, Charlie V and Wilcox. Thats a level of talent well below what Billups represents. Dumb

lol what was Billups level of talent when he first got there? A little above bust. Somewhere in the realm of journeyman.
yes... Dumars did a good job in bringing him in. However he didnt trade journeyman. He traded an all star and one of the NBAs best guards and best two way players in the league. He had an asset a lot of teams would give the farm for, and instead he took back a shed. Then he replaced him with inferior talent. Terrible job. Almost as terrible as picking Darko over Melo, Wade and Bosh. Almost

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Posted by McK1:
Posted by 30andOverClub:

See McK1, this is why I don't contribute to these forums that often: because some people here are just plain bonkers.

You said that Dumars trading Billups for Iverson was a great trade. But all that trade did was get Dumars cap space and comparable talent to Billups. If the Pistons are/were at the end, and Dumars is such a great GM, why isn't he following your plan of accumulating draft picks? He could have traded Billups, Hamilton, McDyess, and Rasheed for a load of draft picks. Instead, he signed Hamilton to an extension and let the rest of them just expire.


Dumars took over Detroit in 2000. Please check their record since he became GM.

Whats the W-L?

How many years in the play-offs?

How much post-season success did they have?

If fielding a true title contender 4 straight seasons isn't a defining mark of a great exec then I don't know what it is.


[Edited by - McK1 on 07-23-2009 10:30 AM]

Dumars is a great executive (IYO, IMO), yet he hasn't stockpiled draft picks in two consecutive rebuilds. In his first two years with Detroit, he traded for only 2 additional draft picks. In this current rebuild, he's added none when he easily could have.

If Dumars is a great executive when he doesn't stockpile draft picks, then why can't Walsh be a great executive when not stockpiling draft picks?

By the way, in Dumars first year in Detroit, the Pistons went 32-50. How familiar.
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I'm judging walsh up to today..not 2k10..and as you can see no ones really impress or confident he will be able to makes us a title contender..and he isn't doing anything remotely close to impressive thus far this off season..

His luke warm draft picks and trades haven't raise any attn what's so ever
This off season
MDA as well..his first full season as coach has lead us to 9 more wins and a massive controversial episode with marbury and a fragile high ass draft pick in DG.

We all are happy with the cap space and the flex room, but most of us are sick of hering a wait till next year.

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