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5/20/2009  12:22 PM
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Wow I didn't know so much bull crap goes into such a simple process. They should use my system and a hat. its a lot cheaper and you can put it on TV.

haha. Your system would take all of 2 minutes. And then what? 28 minutes of commercials? Who watches that?

Atleast you can do a live feed. Besides some of the commercial are more entertaining than seeing Reggie Jackson being a lucky charm.
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5/20/2009  1:28 PM
Posted by Vmart:
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Wow I didn't know so much bull crap goes into such a simple process. They should use my system and a hat. its a lot cheaper and you can put it on TV.

haha. Your system would take all of 2 minutes. And then what? 28 minutes of commercials? Who watches that?

Atleast you can do a live feed. Besides some of the commercial are more entertaining than seeing Reggie Jackson being a lucky charm.

ESPN will be all over your idea shortly. Expect a call for the 2 minutes of lottery fame each May.
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5/20/2009  2:08 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Vmart:
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Wow I didn't know so much bull crap goes into such a simple process. They should use my system and a hat. its a lot cheaper and you can put it on TV.

haha. Your system would take all of 2 minutes. And then what? 28 minutes of commercials? Who watches that?

Atleast you can do a live feed. Besides some of the commercial are more entertaining than seeing Reggie Jackson being a lucky charm.

ESPN will be all over your idea shortly. Expect a call for the 2 minutes of lottery fame each May.

I got a great idea, in the beginning of the show do all the formalities of introducing the people and their lucky charms. Show profiles of players who are going to be in the draft. Then explain the rules of the draft then they can drop the balls into the hopper and draw one at a time a ball with a logo. Once a ball is drawn take out the ping pong balls for the team that was drawn. Then start it up again for the next position of draft do same and do it for the number one overall. That would make for more drama and no one would know who won until the drawing then you can see reps of the team going ape shyt like the price is right. To much secrecy not a good thing means something is being hidden from the viewers.
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5/20/2009  2:28 PM
Should the NBA also televise the coin flips that break ties for positioning?
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5/20/2009  2:30 PM
Posted by Vmart:
That would make for more drama and no one would know who won until the drawing then you can see reps of the team going ape shyt like the price is right.

The reps don't go crazy when they win right now....why do you thing that would change?

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5/20/2009  2:45 PM
Posted by Andrew:
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That would make for more drama and no one would know who won until the drawing then you can see reps of the team going ape shyt like the price is right.

The reps don't go crazy when they win right now....why do you thing that would change?

Because they already know where they are drafting. Don't they have representatives in the back room?
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5/20/2009  2:46 PM
Posted by Andrew:

Should the NBA also televise the coin flips that break ties for positioning?

I have seen it done in the past.
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5/20/2009  3:00 PM
Posted by Vmart:
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That would make for more drama and no one would know who won until the drawing then you can see reps of the team going ape shyt like the price is right.

The reps don't go crazy when they win right now....why do you thing that would change?

Because they already know where they are drafting. Don't they have representatives in the back room?

They don't. The people that witness the lottery in the room cannot contact anyone until the results are released. Do you actually read any of the things other people post? Really man, I understand you not knowing about the subject but it doesn't seem like you are even trying to educate yourself on the topic.

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5/20/2009  3:07 PM
Posted by Andrew:
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That would make for more drama and no one would know who won until the drawing then you can see reps of the team going ape shyt like the price is right.

The reps don't go crazy when they win right now....why do you thing that would change?

Because they already know where they are drafting. Don't they have representatives in the back room?

They don't. The people that witness the lottery in the room cannot contact anyone until the results are released. Do you actually read any of the things other people post? Really man, I understand you not knowing about the subject but it doesn't seem like you are even trying to educate yourself on the topic.

I actually read it but I forget easily.

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5/20/2009  6:50 PM
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With our luck we will get the top pick next year and have to ship it to Utah. Why can't we give them this pick?

why don't we just buy an extra pick & give it to Utah?
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5/20/2009  6:54 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by OasisBU:

With our luck we will get the top pick next year and have to ship it to Utah. Why can't we give them this pick?

why don't we just buy an extra pick & give it to Utah?

I thought you were quoting me because I wrote almost the exact same thing as Oasis (in a different thread though). I think the whole "buy a pick" thing isn't as easy as people make it out to be. That's probably why we don't just buy one and give it to Utah. Another thing, if you're Utah and you want a pick, why not just buy it yourself and keep the Knicks pick next year? It's not like this would be some secret transaction that no one in the league hears about.
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5/20/2009  6:55 PM
Posted by eViL:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by OasisBU:

With our luck we will get the top pick next year and have to ship it to Utah. Why can't we give them this pick?

why don't we just buy an extra pick & give it to Utah?

I thought you were quoting me because I wrote almost the exact same thing as Oasis (in a different thread though). I think the whole "buy a pick" thing isn't as easy as people make it out to be. That's probably why we don't just buy one and give it to Utah. Another thing, if you're Utah and you want a pick, why not just buy it yourself and keep the Knicks pick next year? It's not like this would be some secret transaction that no one in the league hears about.

Then why don't we just buy a pick and give it to Utah?
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5/20/2009  6:56 PM
Posted by eViL:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by OasisBU:

With our luck we will get the top pick next year and have to ship it to Utah. Why can't we give them this pick?

why don't we just buy an extra pick & give it to Utah?

I thought you were quoting me because I wrote almost the exact same thing as Oasis (in a different thread though). I think the whole "buy a pick" thing isn't as easy as people make it out to be. That's probably why we don't just buy one and give it to Utah. Another thing, if you're Utah and you want a pick, why not just buy it yourself and keep the Knicks pick next year? It's not like this would be some secret transaction that no one in the league hears about.

i don't think Utah has a choice in the matter, do they? they can't refuse a pick we offer if it fits into the guidelines of the trade that was made, can they?
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5/20/2009  7:24 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by eViL:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by OasisBU:

With our luck we will get the top pick next year and have to ship it to Utah. Why can't we give them this pick?

why don't we just buy an extra pick & give it to Utah?

I thought you were quoting me because I wrote almost the exact same thing as Oasis (in a different thread though). I think the whole "buy a pick" thing isn't as easy as people make it out to be. That's probably why we don't just buy one and give it to Utah. Another thing, if you're Utah and you want a pick, why not just buy it yourself and keep the Knicks pick next year? It's not like this would be some secret transaction that no one in the league hears about.

i don't think Utah has a choice in the matter, do they? they can't refuse a pick we offer if it fits into the guidelines of the trade that was made, can they?

They own the rights to the Knicks first round pick unprotected in 2010. They do not have to accept anything else because that is what they are specifically owed. Theoretically, they could agree to accept something else in return, however, I don't think we can just go buy a pick and say "there you have it, a first round pick." Of course, this is all dictated by a contract between the Knicks and Utah (by way of Phoenix) which is probably also governed by NBA rules. If the contract was not specific as to the source of the pick, I guess we could give them any first round pick we want, but I have a feeling that the deal specifically states the Knicks will send their 2010 pick (unprotected) to Utah.
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5/20/2009  7:26 PM
Posted by eViL:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by eViL:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by OasisBU:

With our luck we will get the top pick next year and have to ship it to Utah. Why can't we give them this pick?

why don't we just buy an extra pick & give it to Utah?

I thought you were quoting me because I wrote almost the exact same thing as Oasis (in a different thread though). I think the whole "buy a pick" thing isn't as easy as people make it out to be. That's probably why we don't just buy one and give it to Utah. Another thing, if you're Utah and you want a pick, why not just buy it yourself and keep the Knicks pick next year? It's not like this would be some secret transaction that no one in the league hears about.

i don't think Utah has a choice in the matter, do they? they can't refuse a pick we offer if it fits into the guidelines of the trade that was made, can they?

They own the rights to the Knicks first round pick unprotected in 2010. They do not have to accept anything else because that is what they are specifically owed. Theoretically, they could agree to accept something else in return, however, I don't think we can just go buy a pick and say "there you have it, a first round pick." Of course, this is all dictated by a contract between the Knicks and Utah (by way of Phoenix) which is probably also governed by NBA rules. If the contract was not specific as to the source of the pick, I guess we could give them any first round pick we want, but I have a feeling that the deal specifically states the Knicks will send their 2010 pick (unprotected) to Utah.

Why can't we just send them David Lee?
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5/20/2009  7:29 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by eViL:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by eViL:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by OasisBU:

With our luck we will get the top pick next year and have to ship it to Utah. Why can't we give them this pick?

why don't we just buy an extra pick & give it to Utah?

I thought you were quoting me because I wrote almost the exact same thing as Oasis (in a different thread though). I think the whole "buy a pick" thing isn't as easy as people make it out to be. That's probably why we don't just buy one and give it to Utah. Another thing, if you're Utah and you want a pick, why not just buy it yourself and keep the Knicks pick next year? It's not like this would be some secret transaction that no one in the league hears about.

i don't think Utah has a choice in the matter, do they? they can't refuse a pick we offer if it fits into the guidelines of the trade that was made, can they?

They own the rights to the Knicks first round pick unprotected in 2010. They do not have to accept anything else because that is what they are specifically owed. Theoretically, they could agree to accept something else in return, however, I don't think we can just go buy a pick and say "there you have it, a first round pick." Of course, this is all dictated by a contract between the Knicks and Utah (by way of Phoenix) which is probably also governed by NBA rules. If the contract was not specific as to the source of the pick, I guess we could give them any first round pick we want, but I have a feeling that the deal specifically states the Knicks will send their 2010 pick (unprotected) to Utah.

Why can't we just send them David Lee?

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5/20/2009  7:39 PM
Posted by eViL:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by eViL:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by OasisBU:

With our luck we will get the top pick next year and have to ship it to Utah. Why can't we give them this pick?

why don't we just buy an extra pick & give it to Utah?

I thought you were quoting me because I wrote almost the exact same thing as Oasis (in a different thread though). I think the whole "buy a pick" thing isn't as easy as people make it out to be. That's probably why we don't just buy one and give it to Utah. Another thing, if you're Utah and you want a pick, why not just buy it yourself and keep the Knicks pick next year? It's not like this would be some secret transaction that no one in the league hears about.

i don't think Utah has a choice in the matter, do they? they can't refuse a pick we offer if it fits into the guidelines of the trade that was made, can they?

They own the rights to the Knicks first round pick unprotected in 2010. They do not have to accept anything else because that is what they are specifically owed. Theoretically, they could agree to accept something else in return, however, I don't think we can just go buy a pick and say "there you have it, a first round pick." Of course, this is all dictated by a contract between the Knicks and Utah (by way of Phoenix) which is probably also governed by NBA rules. If the contract was not specific as to the source of the pick, I guess we could give them any first round pick we want, but I have a feeling that the deal specifically states the Knicks will send their 2010 pick (unprotected) to Utah.

as i understand it it's the Knicks' option to give them whatever pick they like until this year, after which Utah automatically owns the rights to the 2010 pick... i don't see why they couldn't just buy a pick & give it to them & let that be the end of it, but i dunno if there's any clauses in the contract against going that route.
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5/20/2009  7:50 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by eViL:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by eViL:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by OasisBU:

With our luck we will get the top pick next year and have to ship it to Utah. Why can't we give them this pick?

why don't we just buy an extra pick & give it to Utah?

I thought you were quoting me because I wrote almost the exact same thing as Oasis (in a different thread though). I think the whole "buy a pick" thing isn't as easy as people make it out to be. That's probably why we don't just buy one and give it to Utah. Another thing, if you're Utah and you want a pick, why not just buy it yourself and keep the Knicks pick next year? It's not like this would be some secret transaction that no one in the league hears about.

i don't think Utah has a choice in the matter, do they? they can't refuse a pick we offer if it fits into the guidelines of the trade that was made, can they?

They own the rights to the Knicks first round pick unprotected in 2010. They do not have to accept anything else because that is what they are specifically owed. Theoretically, they could agree to accept something else in return, however, I don't think we can just go buy a pick and say "there you have it, a first round pick." Of course, this is all dictated by a contract between the Knicks and Utah (by way of Phoenix) which is probably also governed by NBA rules. If the contract was not specific as to the source of the pick, I guess we could give them any first round pick we want, but I have a feeling that the deal specifically states the Knicks will send their 2010 pick (unprotected) to Utah.

as i understand it it's the Knicks' option to give them whatever pick they like until this year, after which Utah automatically owns the rights to the 2010 pick... i don't see why they couldn't just buy a pick & give it to them & let that be the end of it, but i dunno if there's any clauses in the contract against going that route.

I can't really find a better source, but if you check here it says:
Utah receives a 2009 New York first-round pick (top 22 protected in 2009 and unproteced in 2010) (Tom Gugliotta trade 021904) via Phoenix (Marbury trade) Phoenix receives a 2005 New York Knicks first-round pick. (010504 Marbury trade).

I think teams are specific about the picks they are trading and receiving because otherwise a team could trade a future first rounder today in a package for a superstar and then turn around tomorrow, and buy a late pick, and send that over as if it satisfies the deal. That just doesn't seem right. The quote above seems specific enough to suggest that the pick involved in the trade would be the Knicks pick and not some pick that the Knicks own by way of some other, yet to be consummated, transaction.
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i guess that would explain it.

bastidge.
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