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2/27/2009  11:57 AM
While I don't want this kid to be strictly a 3pt guy either, what was he supposed to do in the Orlando game? We needed threes. He provided. That was not the time for him to be feeling out his dribble drives and post-ups.
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2/27/2009  12:03 PM
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"Bip reasoning"?

I don't get it.

No you asked John how he not support a rookie on his team. I used that same for reasoning for Walsh, asking how could he not support any of the players he inherited like Lee, Marbury and the others. Sometimes just because someone is on your team, you will necessary root or support.

I think there is a difference between being a fan and being a GM. A GM has to look at things from a business/team perspective, where a fan just simply roots for his team.

Isn't that a little simplistic? When you're a little kid all you did was simply root but when you get older and have a better understanding of the business side, intricacies of building a team and opportunity costs, it becomes a lot more involved than just simply rooting for your team.

The fact that we all talk about things like the salary cap, free agency rules, Larry Bird Rights, expiring contracts and efficiency statistics, should tell you that our fandom is based on more than just watching games and rooting.

Of course, you idiot. But this wasn't based on the intricacies, of the game and salary cap etc. This conversation was about a fan "supporting" a rookie on his team. A simplistic sentence that got a simplistic answer. How can you not "support" a rookie on your team. Get over when he was drafted. Get over who we could have had. Get over whether you agree with the pick or not and how Walsh runs the team. When it comes down to it, it's a rookie on YOUR TEAM, who did not strong arm your team, did not demand to be drafted ahead of whoever, did not try to get the coach fired or demand that someone get in his truck. He is simply a rookie that was picked and came to YOUR TEAM to play. Why would you not "support" him? "Support" is far different than agree with or enjoy the pick.

Andrew and Martin, before I go off on this schizophrenic *******, I just want to make sure that we all understand that I wasn't the one to escalate this.

"I think there is a difference between being a fan and being a GM. A GM has to look at things from a business/team perspective, where a fan just simply roots for his team."

This is the simplistic sentence that I was responding to. It's a general comment and not specific to rooting for any rookie, you ****ing idiot. And my comment is obviously in response to that simplistic sentence. I'm glad that you agreed with me, before you turned into a raving ****sucker and decided to go off on me about something I wasn't even ****ing talking about.

Now go back to being a sanctimonious jackass and tell us all about how we're supposed to act as fans.

Went off on you? Escalate? Schizophrenic? jackasse? Tell you how your are supposed to act?

You obviously weren't a part of the original conversation but injected yourself anyway. The original conversation started with a fan that said "I am not a Gallo supporter". I responded with "how can you not be a Gallo supporter". Two very simple sentences. No talk of salary caps and future moves. Just simple conversation about supporting YOUR ROOKIE. As a fan of the Knicks I find it odd that a fan would not support him at this point. Call it sanctimonious, call it egotistical, call it mean. I don't care. Hate the GM, think the GM is an idiot, but Gallo's here, working hard and there is no reason not to support the guy, unless...........YOu have an agenda.

I find it funny that you spend your day searching for a fight and yet felt that my last paragraph was me "going off on you". Lighten up Francis

Yeah, because nobody ever jumps into a conversation in a message board and comments on something that somebody else said. That never happens here.

What does looking at things from a business/team perspective have to do with simply supporting your rookie? That's what I was addressing, not whether anybody should support a rookie. It's not that difficult yet you continue to suggest that I was.

Searching for a fight? Explain how I was searching for a fight with you with that benign comment. And when you can't, you'll understand why you were out of line in your response to me.
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2/27/2009  12:26 PM
Posted by islesfan:
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"Bip reasoning"?

I don't get it.

No you asked John how he not support a rookie on his team. I used that same for reasoning for Walsh, asking how could he not support any of the players he inherited like Lee, Marbury and the others. Sometimes just because someone is on your team, you will necessary root or support.

I think there is a difference between being a fan and being a GM. A GM has to look at things from a business/team perspective, where a fan just simply roots for his team.

Isn't that a little simplistic? When you're a little kid all you did was simply root but when you get older and have a better understanding of the business side, intricacies of building a team and opportunity costs, it becomes a lot more involved than just simply rooting for your team.

The fact that we all talk about things like the salary cap, free agency rules, Larry Bird Rights, expiring contracts and efficiency statistics, should tell you that our fandom is based on more than just watching games and rooting.

Of course, you idiot. But this wasn't based on the intricacies, of the game and salary cap etc. This conversation was about a fan "supporting" a rookie on his team. A simplistic sentence that got a simplistic answer. How can you not "support" a rookie on your team. Get over when he was drafted. Get over who we could have had. Get over whether you agree with the pick or not and how Walsh runs the team. When it comes down to it, it's a rookie on YOUR TEAM, who did not strong arm your team, did not demand to be drafted ahead of whoever, did not try to get the coach fired or demand that someone get in his truck. He is simply a rookie that was picked and came to YOUR TEAM to play. Why would you not "support" him? "Support" is far different than agree with or enjoy the pick.

Andrew and Martin, before I go off on this schizophrenic *******, I just want to make sure that we all understand that I wasn't the one to escalate this.

"I think there is a difference between being a fan and being a GM. A GM has to look at things from a business/team perspective, where a fan just simply roots for his team."

This is the simplistic sentence that I was responding to. It's a general comment and not specific to rooting for any rookie, you ****ing idiot. And my comment is obviously in response to that simplistic sentence. I'm glad that you agreed with me, before you turned into a raving ****sucker and decided to go off on me about something I wasn't even ****ing talking about.

Now go back to being a sanctimonious jackass and tell us all about how we're supposed to act as fans.

Went off on you? Escalate? Schizophrenic? jackasse? Tell you how your are supposed to act?

You obviously weren't a part of the original conversation but injected yourself anyway. The original conversation started with a fan that said "I am not a Gallo supporter". I responded with "how can you not be a Gallo supporter". Two very simple sentences. No talk of salary caps and future moves. Just simple conversation about supporting YOUR ROOKIE. As a fan of the Knicks I find it odd that a fan would not support him at this point. Call it sanctimonious, call it egotistical, call it mean. I don't care. Hate the GM, think the GM is an idiot, but Gallo's here, working hard and there is no reason not to support the guy, unless...........YOu have an agenda.

I find it funny that you spend your day searching for a fight and yet felt that my last paragraph was me "going off on you". Lighten up Francis

Yeah, because nobody ever jumps into a conversation in a message board and comments on something that somebody else said. That never happens here.

What does looking at things from a business/team perspective have to do with simply supporting your rookie? That's what I was addressing, not whether anybody should support a rookie. It's not that difficult yet you continue to suggest that I was.

Searching for a fight? Explain how I was searching for a fight with you with that benign comment. And when you can't, you'll understand why you were out of line in your response to me.

I have no idea what you are talking about, what you are whining about, what has angered you, or why I am even having this discussion.

Recap:

Person says, "I am not a Gallo supporter"
Bip responds, "How can you not support your rookie"
Isles says, "what about salary caps and Larry Bird rights you simplistic moron that deserves to die. I'm going to kill you, you bastarde"
Bip says, "huh?, Kind sir(paraphrased),I simply asked why would you not support a rookie? I don't understand this talk about Bird rights and what that has to do with supporting a rookie"
Isles says, "Listen you dumb asse. Don't ever attack me like that again. I hate you. You are a jerkoff. Die, die, die"
Bip says, "huh?"

That's pretty much how it all went down.

Summary:
Isles yet again is a victim. Of what I do not know. But regardless, I'm not going to get dragged into another one of your typical piossing matches.


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2/27/2009  12:34 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Bippity10:

"Bip reasoning"?

I don't get it.

No you asked John how he not support a rookie on his team. I used that same for reasoning for Walsh, asking how could he not support any of the players he inherited like Lee, Marbury and the others. Sometimes just because someone is on your team, you will necessary root or support.

I think there is a difference between being a fan and being a GM. A GM has to look at things from a business/team perspective, where a fan just simply roots for his team.

Isn't that a little simplistic? When you're a little kid all you did was simply root but when you get older and have a better understanding of the business side, intricacies of building a team and opportunity costs, it becomes a lot more involved than just simply rooting for your team.

The fact that we all talk about things like the salary cap, free agency rules, Larry Bird Rights, expiring contracts and efficiency statistics, should tell you that our fandom is based on more than just watching games and rooting.

Of course, you idiot. But this wasn't based on the intricacies, of the game and salary cap etc. This conversation was about a fan "supporting" a rookie on his team. A simplistic sentence that got a simplistic answer. How can you not "support" a rookie on your team. Get over when he was drafted. Get over who we could have had. Get over whether you agree with the pick or not and how Walsh runs the team. When it comes down to it, it's a rookie on YOUR TEAM, who did not strong arm your team, did not demand to be drafted ahead of whoever, did not try to get the coach fired or demand that someone get in his truck. He is simply a rookie that was picked and came to YOUR TEAM to play. Why would you not "support" him? "Support" is far different than agree with or enjoy the pick.

Andrew and Martin, before I go off on this schizophrenic *******, I just want to make sure that we all understand that I wasn't the one to escalate this.

"I think there is a difference between being a fan and being a GM. A GM has to look at things from a business/team perspective, where a fan just simply roots for his team."

This is the simplistic sentence that I was responding to. It's a general comment and not specific to rooting for any rookie, you ****ing idiot. And my comment is obviously in response to that simplistic sentence. I'm glad that you agreed with me, before you turned into a raving ****sucker and decided to go off on me about something I wasn't even ****ing talking about.

Now go back to being a sanctimonious jackass and tell us all about how we're supposed to act as fans.

Went off on you? Escalate? Schizophrenic? jackasse? Tell you how your are supposed to act?

You obviously weren't a part of the original conversation but injected yourself anyway. The original conversation started with a fan that said "I am not a Gallo supporter". I responded with "how can you not be a Gallo supporter". Two very simple sentences. No talk of salary caps and future moves. Just simple conversation about supporting YOUR ROOKIE. As a fan of the Knicks I find it odd that a fan would not support him at this point. Call it sanctimonious, call it egotistical, call it mean. I don't care. Hate the GM, think the GM is an idiot, but Gallo's here, working hard and there is no reason not to support the guy, unless...........YOu have an agenda.

I find it funny that you spend your day searching for a fight and yet felt that my last paragraph was me "going off on you". Lighten up Francis

Yeah, because nobody ever jumps into a conversation in a message board and comments on something that somebody else said. That never happens here.

What does looking at things from a business/team perspective have to do with simply supporting your rookie? That's what I was addressing, not whether anybody should support a rookie. It's not that difficult yet you continue to suggest that I was.

Searching for a fight? Explain how I was searching for a fight with you with that benign comment. And when you can't, you'll understand why you were out of line in your response to me.

I have no idea what you are talking about, what you are whining about, what has angered you, or why I am even having this discussion.

Recap:

Person says, "I am not a Gallo supporter"
Bip responds, "How can you not support your rookie"
Isles says, "what about salary caps and Larry Bird rights you simplistic moron that deserves to die. I'm going to kill you, you bastarde"
Bip says, "huh?, Kind sir(paraphrased),I simply asked why would you not support a rookie? I don't understand this talk about Bird rights and what that has to do with supporting a rookie"
Isles says, "Listen you dumb asse. Don't ever attack me like that again. I hate you. You are a jerkoff. Die, die, die"
Bip says, "huh?"

That's pretty much how it all went down.

Summary:
Isles yet again is a victim. Of what I do not know. But regardless, I'm not going to get dragged into another one of your typical piossing matches.

You're seriously a schizophrenic jackass.

Don't forget to take your meds today Bip.
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2/27/2009  12:39 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
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I enjoyed the rebound with 3 players on him and the kick out to Chandler more than the 3s. I don't understand what's the love for shooting 3s for today's NBA fans. If Gallo starts taking his man off the dribble, rebounds and block shots that would be huge IMHO.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 02-26-2009 10:00 PM]

I would be disappointed if he just ends up being a jump shooter standing behind the 3pt line all the time. It would still make him a valuable component on the team, but not the complete player he is expected to be by many, including myself. NBA defenses have a way of dealing with one dimensional players, though, and if he can't take his man off the dribble his success will be limited.


... and I agree that the timing of the shots as well as who they came from were more important that the fact that they were 3pointers.

[Edited by - Paladin55 on 02-27-2009 12:06 AM]

That's goes back to my argument that this guy isn't be coached up. I think they are willing to let this guy develop into a 3 point specialist at this point. I don't see D'Antoni really getting on him for allowing a shorter man to make him shoot from the outside. Where are the coaches telling him to back that ball down there in the post with his 6'10 frame. My favorite games for him have been against the Bulls, Clippers and the Pacers.

I think you may see more of that next year. If he's still a 3 pt specialist next year than I would worry. For now I think they are playing to his strength and this is his current role.

Gallo was known more as a mid range shooter then 3 point shooter. It was said that his 3 pt shot started to come on strong towards the end of the season last yr.

You got to think that the guy has been the go to guy on his team, taking as many shots as he wants(like Dirk in his NBA stories). Now he is coming to this team as a prospect off the bench at this point. Overseas he was probably use to having the ball in his hands all the time and being able to take the opponents in his league off the dribble. He was also able to move around a lot in the offense. The teams offense was catered to him.

Right now he is trying to figure things out. He isn't the go to guy in this offense, and his teammates hardly ever look to get him the ball. He is struggling to take opponents off the dribble. With us trying to make playoffs they aren't going to put the ball in Gallo's hands multiple times a game to create offense and taking the good with the bad with the ugly.

As long as Gallo is putting hours in the gym working on his game and working on adding strength its not a problem though. As eventually he will be able to do more things and MDA will entrust him to do more things.
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2/27/2009  12:41 PM
I'm kind of interested in seeing what kind of minutes Gallinari gets tonight after a decent performance from the other game.
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2/27/2009  12:44 PM
Isles: Thanks for the reminder, I almost forgot to take them. I like the little green one best, it really relaxes me.
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2/27/2009  12:47 PM
Posted by Vmart:

I'm kind of interested in seeing what kind of minutes Gallinari gets tonight after a decent performance from the other game.

I was thinking the same thing. You almost have to play him now. More curious to see what he does with those minutes. Can he do it two nights in a row

[Edited by - bippity10 on 27-02-2009 12:48 PM]
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2/27/2009  12:47 PM
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Isles: Thanks for the reminder, I almost forgot to take them. I like the little green one best, it really relaxes me.

Take the whole bottle. It'll really relax you.
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Hmm. Islefan = jrodmc?
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Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Vmart:

I'm kind of interested in seeing what kind of minutes Gallinari gets tonight after a decent performance from the other game.

I was thinking the same thing. You almost have to play him now

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2/27/2009  12:50 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Vmart:

I'm kind of interested in seeing what kind of minutes Gallinari gets tonight after a decent performance from the other game.

I was thinking the same thing. You almost have to play him now

What is it about you that makes people hate you so?

If you are talking to me, I don't know. Maybe people are jealous of my tremendous knowledge, incredible sense of humor and off the charts humility. If you are talking about VMart ,it's simple, he's a jerk.
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2/27/2009  12:52 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Vmart:

I'm kind of interested in seeing what kind of minutes Gallinari gets tonight after a decent performance from the other game.

I was thinking the same thing. You almost have to play him now. More curious to see what he does with those minutes. Can he do it two nights in a row

[Edited by - bippity10 on 27-02-2009 12:48 PM]

Yeah Bip this is what I was talking about by playing the young players they give you something to look forward to. Its a lot more fun watching players come into their own than some has been vet.

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2/27/2009  12:52 PM
Posted by Vmart:

I'm kind of interested in seeing what kind of minutes Gallinari gets tonight after a decent performance from the other game.

I predict that his minutes will continue to be erratic as long as the Knicks are focused on short term goals.
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2/27/2009  12:54 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Vmart:

I'm kind of interested in seeing what kind of minutes Gallinari gets tonight after a decent performance from the other game.

I was thinking the same thing. You almost have to play him now

What is it about you that makes people hate you so?

If you are talking to me, I don't know. Maybe people are jealous of my tremendous knowledge, incredible sense of humor and off the charts humility. If you are talking about VMart ,it's simple, he's a jerk.

Careful Bip that line doesn't work well with people who don't have a sense of humor or are terribly bad with sarcasm.

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2/27/2009  12:56 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Vmart:

I'm kind of interested in seeing what kind of minutes Gallinari gets tonight after a decent performance from the other game.

I was thinking the same thing. You almost have to play him now. More curious to see what he does with those minutes. Can he do it two nights in a row

[Edited by - bippity10 on 27-02-2009 12:48 PM]

Yeah Bip this is what I was talking about by playing the young players they give you something to look forward to. Its a lot more fun watching players come into their own than some has been vet.

See, I disagree with you here. I'd rather see Q play any day of the week.
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Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Vmart:

I'm kind of interested in seeing what kind of minutes Gallinari gets tonight after a decent performance from the other game.

I was thinking the same thing. You almost have to play him now. More curious to see what he does with those minutes. Can he do it two nights in a row

[Edited by - bippity10 on 27-02-2009 12:48 PM]

Yeah Bip this is what I was talking about by playing the young players they give you something to look forward to. Its a lot more fun watching players come into their own than some has been vet.

See, I disagree with you here. I'd rather see Q play any day of the week.


I have no problem seeing Q but I have a problem with Hughes playing. I don't think a player that has been out of basketball for a month should be playing vital minutes during what the team is calling a playoff push. Hughes is not prepared physically and mentally to be out on the basketball court.

You know Chandler/Q/Nate can play sg. Duhon/Nate can play the pg position. Harrington/Chandler/Q/Gallo can play the sf position. Harrington/Lee/Jefferies/Gallo can play pf. Lee/Wilcox/Jefferies can play the C. Where does Hughes fit into this equation. Hughes isn't even needed he isn't a necessity. Only way I see Hughes getting minutes is if Duhon and Nate get hurt and they need him to get time at the pg position.
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2/27/2009  1:34 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Vmart:

I'm kind of interested in seeing what kind of minutes Gallinari gets tonight after a decent performance from the other game.

I predict that his minutes will continue to be erratic as long as the Knicks are focused on short term goals.
True- you have to think that if MDA really thinks this team is capable of reaching the playoffs, he is going to allocate minutes based on merit.

Gallinari earned the minutes he got with Orlando because of his D- if he has one of those clueless rookie games on D, and is passive on the offensive end, he will be back on the bench.

The question is... Will he do the same with Hughes if his game remains stagnant ... or if Jeffries plays poorly... or if Q is 1 for 9?


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2/27/2009  1:59 PM
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Vmart:

I'm kind of interested in seeing what kind of minutes Gallinari gets tonight after a decent performance from the other game.

I predict that his minutes will continue to be erratic as long as the Knicks are focused on short term goals.
True- you have to think that if MDA really thinks this team is capable of reaching the playoffs, he is going to allocate minutes based on merit.

Gallinari earned the minutes he got with Orlando because of his D- if he has one of those clueless rookie games on D, and is passive on the offensive end, he will be back on the bench.

The question is... Will he do the same with Hughes if his game remains stagnant ... or if Jeffries plays poorly... or if Q is 1 for 9?

Why would he start now?
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2/27/2009  2:01 PM
Is it possible management doesn't want "Il Bustino" getting the same treatment from fans that Hughes is getting?
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