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11/21/2008  4:54 PM
Clippers Acquire Randolph
Nov 21, 2008 4:41 PM EST

The Clippers have acquired forward Zach Randolph and guard Mardy Collins from the New York Knicks for shooting guard Cuttino Mobley and forward Tim Thomas.

Talks between the two teams have been ongoing over the past two weeks, and the Clippers made their last offer this afternoon.

Earlier in the week, talks stalled when the Knicks wanted Marcus Camby in the deal.

Via Los Angeles Times

[Edited by - FrenchKnicks on 11-21-2008 10:55 PM]
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11/21/2008  5:09 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

isola is saying the ZBO deal went down, too?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2008/11/21/2008-11-21_knicks_trade_jamal_crawford_for_al_harri.html
Knicks trade Jamal Crawford for Al Harrington, ship Zach Randolph and Mardy Collins to Clippers
BY FRANK ISOLA
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

Friday, November 21st 2008, 3:59 PM


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Al Harrington
The Knicks completed a wild day of trading on Friday when they sent Zach Randolph and Mardy Collins to the Clippers for Tim Thomas and Cuttino Mobley. The deal comes less than two hours after Donnie Walsh traded Jamal Crawford to the Warriors for Al Harrington.

Both deals were made to clear salary cap space for the summer of 2010 for when LeBron James becomes a free agent. The contracts of Harrington, Thomas and Mobley all expire in two years which will put the Knicks in position to make a run at James, the most coveted free agent since Shaquille O'Neal left the Orlando Magic to sign with the Los Angeles Lakers.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 21-11-2008 4:10 PM]

TIM THOMAS??? ewwwwwww!!!

sorry to see Jamal go but at least now we will probably stink for the rest of this season & end up w/a high lottery pick w/which we can take a young stud like Derozan who would look awesome in a Knicks' uniform, & now we're gonna be well under the cap in 2010 to sign a big name FA.

Donnie, my faith in you has been restored... thanks for following through w/your plan & showing all the naysayers that 2010 is worth going after.
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11/21/2008  5:15 PM
Posted by Andrew:

No Picks or young guys.

I know man. I know its fine that we got expiring contracts but we traded our two best players. The Warriors deal I can understand because Al is a talent and his contract fits perfect with the plan. No pick? Im not happy but I guess I can live with that. But the Clippers trade? I can understand the first rumored deal because Zach had serious question-marks but so far this season he had showed he could play at a high level and be a good teammate without causing troubles. Averaging 20-12 and all. Since rebuilding is in full motion, a pick at least for 2010 would've been nice!

I guess the only GM that liked to include draft picks was Isiah, and too bad he was dealing ours.
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11/21/2008  5:16 PM
As a Knicks Season Ticket Holder, you are very important to us. We are proud to have you as part of the Knicks family and want to keep you informed when breaking news occurs.

At this moment, we are issuing the following news release:

KNICKS ACQUIRE AL HARRINGTON
Jamal Crawford Traded to Golden State
NEW YORK, November 20, 2008 – The New York Knickerbockers President of Basketball Operations Donnie Walsh announced today that forward Al Harrington has been acquired from the Golden State Warriors in exchange for guard Jamal Crawford.
"I drafted Al back in 1998 and I think his talents are a great fit for our style of play," Walsh said. "This trade also gives us more long-term flexibility while enabling us to remain competitive this season. To acquire a player of Al’s caliber, we had to give up someone we all really liked in Jamal. We thank him for his contributions both on and off the court, and we wish him all the best in Golden State."
Harrington, 6-9, 250-pounds, was selected by the Indiana Pacers with 25th overall selection in the 1998 NBA Draft out of St. Patrick’s High School in Elizabeth, NJ. The Orange, NJ-native has career averages of 13.0 points and 5.8 rebounds in 660 career games over 11 NBA seasons with Indiana, Atlanta and Golden State. Harrington averaged 13.6 points and 5.4 rebounds in 81 games during the 2007-08 season with Golden State and is averaging 12.4 points and 5.6 rebounds in five games during 2008-09 campaign.

"Al is a true NBA veteran who possesses multi-positional skills," Head Coach Mike D’Antoni said. "He will fit perfectly into our system and will help us win some games immediately."
Crawford, 6-5, 200-pounds, was originally acquired by the Knicks on Aug. 5, 2004 from the Chicago Bulls and averaged 17.6 points and 4.4 assists in 299 career games with New York. He finishes his Knicks career as the franchise’s 25th all-time leading scorer with 5,269 points. The Michigan product has career averages of 14.7 points and 4.1 assists in 543 games over nine NBA seasons with both New York and Chicago.
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11/21/2008  5:19 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by FrenchKnicks:

Well, two big trade withouth getting any pick or young player in return is quite concerning for our rebuilding process...

Doubt anyone is giving up picks for long-term salaries. They're the ones doing the Knicks the favor.

Ohh should we send them christmass gifts because of that? Yeah, they made the moves just to add salaries. Forget the fact that they are getting talented players. Zach averaged 20-12, was a big part of the team's strong start and proved he wasn't the cancer everyone called him. We get expiring contracts, fine, no problem, but as a rebuilding franchise, draft picks or young players are just as important and today we couldn't get that.
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11/21/2008  5:21 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by FrenchKnicks:

Well, two big trade withouth getting any pick or young player in return is quite concerning for our rebuilding process...

Doubt anyone is giving up picks for long-term salaries. They're the ones doing the Knicks the favor.

Ohh should we send them christmass gifts because of that? Yeah, they made the moves just to add salaries. Forget the fact that they are getting talented players. Zach averaged 20-12, was a big part of the team's strong start and proved he wasn't the cancer everyone called him. We get expiring contracts, fine, no problem, but as a rebuilding franchise, draft picks or young players are just as important and today we couldn't get that.

Nobody is giving you picks for Randolph. Did we trade picks for Randolph? No. He's the same player from Portland. He's not better than what he was and he still shoots a low percentage and plays no defense. Not every team deals picks for players and the Clippers pick is a lottery pick anyway.
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11/21/2008  5:22 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:
Posted by Andrew:

No Picks or young guys.

I know man. I know its fine that we got expiring contracts but we traded our two best players. The Warriors deal I can understand because Al is a talent and his contract fits perfect with the plan. No pick? Im not happy but I guess I can live with that. But the Clippers trade? I can understand the first rumored deal because Zach had serious question-marks but so far this season he had showed he could play at a high level and be a good teammate without causing troubles. Averaging 20-12 and all. Since rebuilding is in full motion, a pick at least for 2010 would've been nice!

I guess the only GM that liked to include draft picks was Isiah, and too bad he was dealing ours.

We should have been able to get a first rounder for Crawford in some deal. Still, nice I guess to be going into a clear cut, full on rebuilding/tear down.
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11/21/2008  5:41 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by Knicksfan:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by FrenchKnicks:

Well, two big trade withouth getting any pick or young player in return is quite concerning for our rebuilding process...

Doubt anyone is giving up picks for long-term salaries. They're the ones doing the Knicks the favor.

Ohh should we send them christmass gifts because of that? Yeah, they made the moves just to add salaries. Forget the fact that they are getting talented players. Zach averaged 20-12, was a big part of the team's strong start and proved he wasn't the cancer everyone called him. We get expiring contracts, fine, no problem, but as a rebuilding franchise, draft picks or young players are just as important and today we couldn't get that.

Nobody is giving you picks for Randolph. Did we trade picks for Randolph? No. He's the same player from Portland. He's not better than what he was and he still shoots a low percentage and plays no defense. Not every team deals picks for players and the Clippers pick is a lottery pick anyway.

Everybody can give you picks for Randolph. We may have not traded one for him, but what's the point with that? He isn't the same player in Portland because back then he was considered a cancer and was expected to get worse in NY. While some players did prove they were problematic, Zach always provided steady numbers and was part of the nice start this season. By doing that he proved everybody that he could fit any system and still provide his 20-12 averages, which is pretty solid for a team wanting to win now. And while some may think the Clippers pick this season has lottery potential, they also have the potential to make the playoffs after this deal, so the jury is still out.

And the pick didn't have to be for this year, since we have proved we can put time specifications on picks traded, just like the pick the Jazz have.
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11/21/2008  5:50 PM
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11/21/2008  6:01 PM
Posted by Cosmic:


Their turn to suffer through that pasted on smile while he says all the right things and does all the wrong things.

Jamal, tell 'em how you're gonna penetrate and defend this year to raise yourself to elite status...while they're still listening.

[Edited by - blueseats on 11-21-2008 6:01 PM]
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11/21/2008  6:17 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by Andrew:

3 Team Deal?

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/blog/2008/11/threeway_deal.html

Just heard this seconds ago...

The Knicks, Warriors and Clippers are talking about a three-way deal that would involve Jamal Crawford, Zach Randolph and Mardy Collins being sent in a cap-space clearing move that would bring in Tim Thomas, Cuttino Mobley and Al Harrington.

The contracts on all three incoming players expire in 2010.

Trying to confirm this now.

Stay tuned . . .

That is a great big dump! Excellent!

We have proven you can't win with Craw. He won't opt out unless someone gives him an extension. And if he does, it make him tradable now.

Zach has value now. We are not giving up any picks to dump him.

TT again? Cat? Harrington? All guys that can run and gun, and are "hired" for the short term. All guys that don't win, but have value the closer to their expiring too.

Be patient. This is one of many moves that will happen before 2010. It won't all come together at once. Walsh knows what he is doing.

It makes sense in the long term. But this is essentially a throw away for this season.

What season? You mean squeaking in to the playoffs (big maybe) for a first round loss? Lets keep our eyes on the goal. Walsh said his goal was getting below the cap in 2010 the guy is delivering. Give him a ton of credit for being able to pull this and rid us of Isiah's collection of blind starphucks. OK so Crawford was not some evil guy, like Marbury, but he is not exactly an all start either. He is about as dependable as a coin toss, 50% chance of success. Good riddance in my opinion, especially in view of upcoming Zach trade, Way to go, with the double dump. Awesome!!
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11/21/2008  6:36 PM
We can't have expected Walsh to do much better than what he's done to clear cap space so far. Yeah draft picks is nice, but at this point having done this so far is great and he can still make a deal to pick up a draft pick. It's not over yet. Remember we still have Curry and even Lee to make a deal down the line.

Honestly whenever Walsh makes a deal it seems people assume that that's it and he somehow can't make anymore deals. let's try to be open minded here and accept that it's a new day. We were very fortunate to get guys the caliber of Walsh and MDA to run the show. Get with the program this isn't the loser organization of the past 7 years. We've got a front office that is legit now and things have changed for the better.

Remember the not so distant past when we argued over the future of the Knicks vs the Bulls? How do you all feel now? Anyone still feel that the Bulls are in way better position to rebuild their franchise? Have we closed the gap somewhat or not? I think we have and here's why. Del Negro and Paxson vs Walsh and MDA. I think we have a better tandem and with cap space I think they can get some things done.
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11/21/2008  6:40 PM
Posted by nixluva:

We can't have expected Walsh to do much better than what he's done to clear cap space so far. Yeah draft picks is nice, but at this point having done this so far is great and he can still make a deal to pick up a draft pick. It's not over yet. Remember we still have Curry and even Lee to make a deal down the line.

Honestly whenever Walsh makes a deal it seems people assume that that's it and he somehow can't make anymore deals. let's try to be open minded here and accept that it's a new day. We were very fortunate to get guys the caliber of Walsh and MDA to run the show. Get with the program this isn't the loser organization of the past 7 years. We've got a front office that is legit now and things have changed for the better.

Remember the not so distant past when we argued over the future of the Knicks vs the Bulls? How do you all feel now? Anyone still feel that the Bulls are in way better position to rebuild their franchise? Have we closed the gap somewhat or not? I think we have and here's why. Del Negro and Paxson vs Walsh and MDA. I think we have a better tandem and with cap space I think they can get some things done.

nix, i respect any one who is willing to put all their faith into Walsh & MDA, but there's nothing wrong w/wanting to see significant moves like these made to assure us of some flexibility in the coming years... now that we finally see some major moves made we can all be excited over the prospects that will open up to us in a couple years like a lot of us have been wanting all along... up to this point Walsh's most significant move other than hiring MDA obviously was signing Duhon to a 2 year MLE deal, & while i was all for that signing & supported Duhon's acquisition, it was not something any fan could lay their hat on & say this GM is really making the moves to rehaul this roster... we now can all confidently say that Walsh is gonna stick to his guns & stick to the plan he came here with regardless of the media & ownership pressure to win now, which is a refreshing change from all the years i've been a Knicks fan.
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11/21/2008  7:05 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by oohah:
Now to those who bashed him early, do you guys believe in Donnie?

Who bashed Donnie? Is taking a critical and thoughtful approach to every member of the organization "bashing", as opposed to being rah-rah about every sneeze?

It is very early for the "I told you so" bit.

oohah

I'm just saying that when many of us were saying be patient, there were a lot of guys calling Walsh an old out of touch guy that sits on deals and blows them by being too patient. Others of us were saying that he wanted to wait until the team got a chance to play and since we saw the team get off to a good start it sped up the process that we expected Donnie wanted to use. Allow MDA time to get the team playing well and raise the value or at least the teams trading position, so we can get the deal we want rather than take a crap deal we didn't want.

I'm not going to be silent this year so get used to it. I've been told that I was wrong about many things and yet We saw that the players we have could actually be coached to play better and now we have our prospects for getting under the cap improved, with a chance to see them improve even more if the Zach trade goes thru. Why should I be humble now? I'm CROWIN baby. BLOWING my own horn loud and clear. I haven't had much to defend my position over the years until now so let me have my moment in the sun.

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11/21/2008  9:36 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by oohah:
Now to those who bashed him early, do you guys believe in Donnie?

Who bashed Donnie? Is taking a critical and thoughtful approach to every member of the organization "bashing", as opposed to being rah-rah about every sneeze?

It is very early for the "I told you so" bit.

oohah

I'm just saying that when many of us were saying be patient, there were a lot of guys calling Walsh an old out of touch guy that sits on deals and blows them by being too patient. Others of us were saying that he wanted to wait until the team got a chance to play and since we saw the team get off to a good start it sped up the process that we expected Donnie wanted to use. Allow MDA time to get the team playing well and raise the value or at least the teams trading position, so we can get the deal we want rather than take a crap deal we didn't want.

I'm not going to be silent this year so get used to it. I've been told that I was wrong about many things and yet We saw that the players we have could actually be coached to play better and now we have our prospects for getting under the cap improved, with a chance to see them improve even more if the Zach trade goes thru. Why should I be humble now? I'm CROWIN baby. BLOWING my own horn loud and clear. I haven't had much to defend my position over the years until now so let me have my moment in the sun.

GO KNICKS!!!

Man, like many here i've been a LOOOOONG suffering Knick fan and it feels good to see that we have a GM and Coach who have the right approach to getting this franchise back to glory. There is no guarantee, but our chances are so much better now. We accomplished this while still keeping Chan, Nate, Lee and Gallo. We still have a draft pick and we should have a pretty decent team left this year.

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