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9/7/2008  11:50 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

briggs this is not "done cooked over rover" you lose more and more credibility with each absurd post about how hillary should've been picked, get over it. you are as self-righteous as the clinton camp, ppl know very little about palin, in a month i'd like to see where public opinion is and in 2 months will be election day. this is far from over, there are in fact 2 months left.

Briggs is being Briggs and I definitely think there is something seriously wrong with him, but he has a point and there is cause for concern.

Palin's record and beliefs are laughable if they werent so scary and the republican party is so adept at dog whistles and dishing out the red meat, to distract and distort. They have almost completely couched all criticism as sexist and liberal bias. Its just amazing. Scandals, hypocrisy, mediocrity, doesnt matter.

There are just so many that are fanatical about not seeing a Black man in office. It would shatter their whole way of being. Thats a major component and I'm not being paranoid.

[Edited by - sebstar on 09-08-2008 01:19 AM]
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9/8/2008  12:20 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by buddapaw:



She hot!!

Is that her or a joke? She's cute.

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9/8/2008  12:24 AM
Posted by sebstar:

[quote]Posted by BigSm00th:

briggs this is not "done cooked over rover" you lose more and more credibility with each absurd post about how hillary should've been picked, get over it. you are as self-righteous as the clinton camp, ppl know very little about palin, in a month i'd like to see where public opinion is and in 2 months will be election day. this is far from over, there are in fact 2 months left.

-->Briggs is being Briggs and I definitely think there is something seriously wrong with him


Why because I think Obama made a terrible VP selection that will cost him a cakewalk to the presidency?

I do have MS but I dont consider it something seriously wrong with me:)
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9/8/2008  1:58 AM

USATODAY: McCain +10...
Zogby: McCain +4...

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9/8/2008  2:41 AM
Posted by holfresh:


USATODAY: McCain +10...
Zogby: McCain +4...


You pirse off millions of voters and that's what you get. Unless there is a gaffe or something catastrophic comes out---it's all over.
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9/8/2008  2:49 AM
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/oops-obama-talks-about-his-muslim-faith.html
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9/8/2008  6:22 AM
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by buddapaw:



She hot!!

Is that her or a joke? She's cute.

Fake
HA! I didn't think many governors would pose like that but you never know!
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9/8/2008  6:23 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by sebstar:

[quote]Posted by BigSm00th:

briggs this is not "done cooked over rover" you lose more and more credibility with each absurd post about how hillary should've been picked, get over it. you are as self-righteous as the clinton camp, ppl know very little about palin, in a month i'd like to see where public opinion is and in 2 months will be election day. this is far from over, there are in fact 2 months left.

-->Briggs is being Briggs and I definitely think there is something seriously wrong with him


Why because I think Obama made a terrible VP selection that will cost him a cakewalk to the presidency?

I do have MS but I dont consider it something seriously wrong with me:)
It's not your views; it's that you obsess over them. You may even be right. I'm learning toward agreeing with you but it should be clear from this and other threads that it rubs people the wrong way when you post the same message repeatedly.


[Edited by - bonn1997 on 09-08-2008 09:27 AM]
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9/8/2008  10:11 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/oops-obama-talks-about-his-muslim-faith.html

something i heard from a friend of mine: his wife (who is jewish) said her parents and uncle/aunt (who are also jewish) will not vote for obama b/c he's muslim...
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9/8/2008  10:23 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BRIGGS:

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/oops-obama-talks-about-his-muslim-faith.html

something i heard from a friend of mine: his wife (who is jewish) said her parents and uncle/aunt (who are also jewish) will not vote for obama b/c he's muslim...

Well, from a fellow Jew, tell them they are id!ots and to read up because he is no muslim.
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9/8/2008  11:50 AM
Great posts by many, entertaining and iformative. One thing I did notice is that there are an awful lot of generalizations about people on this thread. Particularly, republicans, dems, whites, blacks, poor, rich, americans, business owner, employees, middle class, middle americans etc.
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9/8/2008  11:56 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/oops-obama-talks-about-his-muslim-faith.html

Ok we all know you're bitter about the Hillary thing and u would like to see Obama lose but you are truly reaching. Wow. What next?

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9/8/2008  12:03 PM
Posted by TheloniusMonk:
Posted by BRIGGS:

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/oops-obama-talks-about-his-muslim-faith.html

Ok we all know you're bitter about the Hillary thing and u would like to see Obama lose but you are truly reaching. Wow. What next?


I just posted the link. I'm a Obama supporter and a pure Democrat. We should've cake walked this election and it's been turned upside down uneccessarily.
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9/8/2008  12:41 PM
I'm gonna do a flip flop and agree with Briggs. However, I think not picking Hillary was one of MANY mistakes Obama is making and I don't think it's worth obsessing over this one. His biggest mistake is that he's being a softie. He didn't learn anything from Kerry and Gore.
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9/8/2008  1:43 PM
ABOUT SARAH PALIN

I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992. Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her father was my child's favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the residents of the city.

She is enormously popular; in every way she's like the most popular girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and won't vote for her can't quit smiling when talking about her because she is a "babe".

It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents for seven months.

She is "pro-life". She recently gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby. There is no cover-up involved, here; Trig is her baby.

She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym. ;

She is savvy. She doesn't take positions; she just "puts things out there" and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.

Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin's kind of job is highly sought-after because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his work schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or so in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their major source of income. Nor has her life-style ever been anything like that of native Alaskans.

Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.

She's smart.

Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000 (at the time), and less than 2 years as governor of a state with about 670,000 residents.

During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running this small city was turned over to an ad ministrator. She had been pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had given rise to a recall campaign.

Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a "fiscal conservative". During her 6 years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over 33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the City increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation (1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they benefited residents.

The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration weren't enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece of property that the City didn't even have clear title to, that was still in litigation 7 yrs later--to the delight of the lawyers involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.

While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office redecorated more than once.

These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.

As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus in Alaska. Rather than invest this su rplus in technology that will make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.

In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today's surplus, borrow for needs.

She's not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas or compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren't generated by her or her staff. Ideas weren't evaluated on their merits, but on the basis of who proposed them.

While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin's attempt at out-and-out censorshi p, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the Librarian are on her enemies list to this day.

Sarah complained about the "old boy's club" when she first ran for Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of "old boys". Palin fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people, creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally grateful and fiercely loyal--loyal to the point of abusing their power to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the case of pressuring the State's top cop (see below).

As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla's Police Chief because he "intimidated" her, she told the press. As Governor, her recent firing of Alaska's top cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure and she had every legal right to fire him, but it's pretty clear that an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn't fire her sister's ex-husband, a State Trooper. Under investigation for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than 2 dozen contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew her support.

She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people who didn't like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.

Fear of retribution has kept all of these people fro m saying anything publicly about her.

When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no background in oil & gas issues. Within months of scoring this great job which paid $122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this Commission (who was also the State Chair of the Republican Party) engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a gutsy fighter against the "old boys' club" when she dramatically quit, exposing this man's ethics violations (for which he was fined).

As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the "bridge to nowhere" after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.

As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative action restored most of these projects--which had been vetoed simply because she was not aware of their importance--but with the unobservant she had gained a reputation as "anti-pork".

She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The State party leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a fiscal conservative.

Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah. They call her "Sarah Barracuda" because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made point guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah's mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and experienced manager, ran for Mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.

As Governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package of legislation known as "AGIA" that forced the oil companies to march to the beat of her drum.

Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to global warming. She campaigned "as a private citizen" against a state initiaitive that would have either a) protected salmon streams from pollution from mines, or b) tied up in the courts all mining in the state (d epending on who you listen to). She has pushed the State's lawsuit against the Dept. of the Interior's decision to list polar bears as threatened species.

McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President; Sarah will be a heartbeat away from being President.

There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more knowledgeable and experienced than she.

However, there's a lot of people who have underestimated her and are regretting it.

CLAIM VS FACT
* "Hockey mom": true for a few years

* "PTA mom": true years ago when her first-born was in elementary school, not since

* "NRA supporter": absolutely true

* social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, BUT vetoed a bill that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships (said she did this because it was unconsitutional).

* pro-creationism: mixed . Supports it, BUT did nothing as Governor to promote it.

* "Pro-life": mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby BUT declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life legislation

* "Experienced": Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska. No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city administrator to run town of about 5,000.

* political maverick: not at all

* gutsy: absolutely!

* open & transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at explaining actions.

* has a developed philosophy of public policy: no

* "a Greenie": no. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR.

* fiscal conservative: not by my definition!

* pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built streets to early 20th century standards.

* pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on residents

* pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city government in Wasilla's history.

* pro-labor/pro-union. No. Just because her husband works union doesn't make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim that she is pro-labor/pro-union.

WHY AM I WRITING THIS?

First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years I put on student voting programs in the schools. If you google my name (Anne Kilkenny + Alaska), you will find references to my participation in local government, education, and PTA /parent organizations.

Secondly, I've always operated in the belief that "Bad things happen when good people stay silent". Few people know as much as I do because few have gone to as many City Council meetings.

Third, I am just a housewife. I don't have a job she can bump me out of. I don't belong to any organization that she can hurt. But, I am no fool; she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that this will cost me somehow in the future: that's life.

Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100 or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against Sarah's attempt at censorship.

Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to say anything because they were somehow vulnerable.

CAVEATS
I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for the increase in spending & taxation 2 years ago (when Palin was running for G overnor) from information supplied to me by the Finance Director of the City of Wasilla, and I can't recall exactly what I adjusted for: did I adjust for inflation? for population increases? Right now, it is impossible for a private person to get any info out of City Hall -- they are swamped. So I can't verify my numbers.

You may have noticed that there are various numbers circulating for the population of Wasilla, ranging from my "about 5,000", up to 9,000. The day Palin's selection was announced a city official told me that the current population is about 7,000. The official 2000 census count was 5,460. I have used about 5,000 because Palin was Mayor from 1996 to 2002, and the city was growing rapidly in the mid-90's.

Anne Kilkenny
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9/8/2008  1:49 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

I'm gonna do a flip flop and agree with Briggs. However, I think not picking Hillary was one of MANY mistakes Obama is making and I don't think it's worth obsessing over this one. His biggest mistake is that he's being a softie. He didn't learn anything from Kerry and Gore.

This is just a general response to the "Obama made a mistake by NOT picking Hillary" stance.

I am going to hold it against McCain big time that he picked Palin as a straight political pick to help get him elected instead of a "this VP will help my presidency". Don't know if that is the type of longer term decision Obama made and I hope it doesn't cost him the election.
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9/8/2008  1:59 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/oops-obama-talks-about-his-muslim-faith.html

At least watch the whole interview though.

link

It begins around 2:40.

Now, I don't like Obama and I certainly hope he does not wind the presidency, but you have to listen to the whole thing more than just one sound bite.

In final, as I wish to not get into a political discussion, I don't believe Obama when he says he is not a muslim. He clearly had a muslim back ground as a child and whether or not he decided to convert to Christianity does not change the fact that he was raised by radical muslim teachings. So he ought to just come completely clean and explain it rather than constantly dance around the issue and try to act like he's always been a devout Christain.
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9/8/2008  2:00 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TheloniusMonk:
Posted by BRIGGS:

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/oops-obama-talks-about-his-muslim-faith.html

Ok we all know you're bitter about the Hillary thing and u would like to see Obama lose but you are truly reaching. Wow. What next?


I just posted the link. I'm a Obama supporter and a pure Democrat. We should've cake walked this election and it's been turned upside down uneccessarily.

Yeah like 1988 or 2004. One thing I notice is that Americans like to complain about government but are never really motivated to change it to work for them.
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9/8/2008  2:10 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

I'm gonna do a flip flop and agree with Briggs. However, I think not picking Hillary was one of MANY mistakes Obama is making and I don't think it's worth obsessing over this one. His biggest mistake is that he's being a softie. He didn't learn anything from Kerry and Gore.

Could you imagine if, throughout history, mankind shared Briggs' defeatist outlooks and narrow-minded thought processes? We never would have made it out of the dark ages. Its over? A little blood on your mouth and its over? Your opinions are on point, often, but your obsession with being right veers you off into the mentally-unstable realm.

Bonn, the theory for a long time was that Barack had to position himself as a new politician and not get negative, the main reason for that was as a Black man he had to assuage the feelings of whites. With Blacks they are angry, intimidating, and mean (see Michelle Obama). With whites, they are simply passionate (see Republicans).

We have a energized base and a more forceful army of surrogates who realize the stakes, but that simply wont suffice. Palin is a good pick, even great, but for all the wrong reasons. Team Obama needs to start swinging and expose this mockery of a pick who shouldnt be within breathing distance of the presidency. It wouldnt be negativity ; It would be the truth.

[Edited by - sebstar on 09-08-2008 2:36 PM]
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9/8/2008  2:17 PM
Posted by holfresh:


USATODAY: McCain +10...
Zogby: McCain +4...


This isnt directed at you holfresh, but what people cant lose sight of is that this will be decided by the electoral college system. Up until Palin, Obama was up big based on the electoral math, but now its clearly a dog fight.

Team Obama needs to get out of the "prevent defense" mode and start going aggressive. Make it clear just exactly who McCain and Palin are, and what exactly is at stake. More wars, history of ethical lapses (Palin), Incompetence, Economic policies that favor the Big Oil and the extreme wealth, attack on Roe v. Wade, ext. All done in clear and concise language. No tip-toeing.

After the hysteria and the "bounce" die down the Obama just needs to nut up. This is not "over" by a long shot. Obama is not up against honorable opponents. Peel away the transparent superficiality of Palin/McCain and this just another oppressive regime in waiting. Obama has to make this clear.

[Edited by - sebstar on 09-08-2008 2:36 PM]

[Edited by - sebstar on 09-08-2008 2:39 PM]
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McCain picks Sarah Palin as VP. Who the hell is she?

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