Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by joec32033:
I don't now what I'm supposed to be looking at in the first one. It is talking about lower lottery picks moving up or down a spot....That stuff happens.
Mocking the 2008 NBA Draft
By Matt Rochinski
bobcats.com
UPDATE - June 3, 2008
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With the 2008 NBA Pre-Draft Camp having come to a close and individual player workouts scheduled to begin around the league Wednesday, there have been numerous changes in mock drafts around the Web. Of the 15 mock drafts bobcats.com is tracking, nine have made changes in recent days, causing a shakeup among lottery picks in our consensus.
It starts at the top where Michael Beasley and Derrick Rose are in a dead heat for the No.1 overall pick. Beasley has garnered more first-place votes (eight) than Rose (seven), but the folks at HoopsWorld.com have gone out on a limb and been the first to predict that Rose and Beasley won't be the top two picks in the draft. They've knocked Beasley down to No. 3 overall and moved Jerryd Bayless up four spots in their mock to No. 2.
Thanks in large part to HoopsWorld.com, Bayless moves up to the No. 3 spot in our consensus, while Brook Lopez has dropped back two spots to No. 5. ESPN's Chad Ford isn't the only one who thinks Lopez could fall to the Bobcats at No. 9 either, as NBADraft.net has Stanford's big man slipping to Charlotte with the ninth pick.
There have been other changes in the Top 14 as well, with D.J. Augustin moving up one spot to No. 10 and DeAndre Jordan bumping up a spot to No. 11. That means Russell Westbrook has fallen back two places from No. 10 to No. 12 in our consensus.
The biggest change aside from Bayless moving up comes later in the first round where Brandon Rush is climbing up multiple draft boards. He's gained two or more spots in five of the nine mocks that have made changes and jumps from the 21st overall pick up to the 19th.
So who is slipping the most? That distinction has to go to Nevada center JaVale McGee. He may have only fallen back one spot from No. 15 to No. 16, but five on the nine mocks with changes have him dropping back two or more spots - including CollegeHoops.net which has dropped him nine picks to No. 19 and HoopsWorld.com who has him falling back eight spots after having him slated as the fifth overall pick a week ago.
Mentions nothing of Gordon.
The second mock has Jordan at 5, Gordon fell to 8, and Darrell Arthur made his appearance in the top 10(9).
I am not speaking for Briggs, only myself and Joe looks to me like a late lotto pick. I never considered him anything more. That's on Briggs to prove whatever he was going for. I have read alot of guys here(I think this included Briggs but I am not sure) that if you are drafting for need, you should take the guy you want wherever you are drafting. That is VERY different than the point you are trying to make.
I don't claim to be a draft expert but to me it looks like the talent level drops after the first 3(and Mayo may even drop to us at 6 and he may be the 3rd best player) and then again somewhere around the 12-14 range, imo.
There is always a chance someone may drop to us at 16(see Williams, Marcus) but the likelihood of that is thin. It would be wiser to pick your first option at 6 then settle for your 3rd option at 16.
It wasn't supposed to and of course 'That Stuff Happens" and its' going to because this draft has a wealth of talent in the Top 30. Did you catch the one Mock that had Gordon 11, Westbrook 17? Of course this particular Mock may be way off but it goes to show the potential and disparity of where these prospects lie.
Some off the wall mock off the bobcats NBA website, that you admit may be way off the wall, and I'm supposed to take that as proof that there is a talent disparity???
It's Hoopsworld.com Mock I'm not going to put too much stock into that particular mock but will say when compared to the other mocks there's disparity. You keep talking about teams draft on need and then you want to give pot shots at Mchale as to why Love is ranked that high when recent reports suggest he's warming up to drafting Mayo.
Look if it's about drafting for need then how come we don't do this and unload Zach to find the player we need at 16. We need a point guard, shotblocking, and a wing defender I see all these needs to available at 16. So other teams are locked into drafting on need but we will for certainly draft on BPA? If we don't draft BPA what need do you see us drafting Joe that won't be there at 16? You have no idea and neither do I how these teams will go about drafting players but one things for sure there will be a few players who drop more than likely past 16 even.
Blue it's the NBA.com team page for the Bobcats. Look at the url.
2nd, you made my point for me. If we have so many needs why trade away a pick in the Zach Randolph trade and trade down? Why not keep the 6 and get the 16?
You keep saying that we won't now who drops but we can just pick who's there. I already posted evidence-that you wanted to see- that the 16 pick isn't an ideal pick to get a solid contributer. I don't understand where you are going here. You want to get a pick and hope someone falls to us.
I find that weird because when we were looking at Donnie's draft acumen, weren't you the guy who was saying how some of his picks weren't the sign he was a good GM because he had to pick some guys because they fell in his lap? Or was that Isiah Thomas? Or was it both?
Either way, imo, the I hope someone falls to us approac h sucks when you are already in a position to just about control your own destiny.
6/10/2008 1:44 PM
