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11/11/2007  11:02 PM
Posted by oohah:

I've never seen so much pants-crapping over a couple of losses.

The Knicks probably have a team around .500. Some nights they will look good, other nights they will look bad.

Lord-almighty! At least wait the first 10-15 percent of the season before you declare the season as lost!

oohah

ooha, I dissagree. Miami was giddy when they left the arena tonight. that is a team that looked at their schedule and figured they could go 0 for whenever wade returned.... they were 0-5 and they played hard, penny played 36 minutes, and why, those guys knew if they could make the game ugly, hang in there, they could steal it late from our team. Come on, shaq, penny and guys may be washed up and declining vets, but they are not stupid, they know how to play the game still and any team with half a brain knows that the knicks are a disjointed unit and have no leaders whatsoever on that team... we are not a .500 team, this game should have been put in the W column, easily. We stole a win vs a denver team that is struggling now, we escaped a win vs a young minny team.. Honestly, we have not "won" a game yet....
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11/11/2007  11:04 PM
It is not about a couple of losses. Certainly not for most of the "haters." Think about it. If you've seen it repeatedly before and it has remained essentially at a fever pitch for the past 1.5 years - it, by all accounts, is not about a couple of losses.

I don't get into lovers and haters. However, for those who choose to identify themselves as "haters", it is my belief that it has more to do with their dislike of Isiah Thomas than anything else. You can try to convince me different, but you'd be wasting your time.
If you're referring to the lovers who suddenly jumped ship today, then its a different matter.

Them especially.
Regardless, Oohah, what level of Knick catastrophe will it take for you to crap your pants? (hopefully not after you've hung your ass out there)

I don't generally crap my pants over basketball, but what would bring me close to dropping the turtle-head is if I thought whoever was in charge was deliberately not trying to win.

oohah

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11/11/2007  11:08 PM
Posted by Nalod:


Knicks Miami!
What a treat. ONe can't play defense and if wade don't play the other can't play offense.

Score 73-69 in a typical Ugly riles game. 39% FG will be a blast to watch.

Im taping and watching the 4th period. I could not stay awake for more than that!!!!!

Hope I don't drool in the couch!

We had the whole game on before we put on the Spiderman3 dvd. I laughed at the ending, the score. My wife wanted to know what I found funny? The spot on Riley outcoaching Isiah for the win by slowing down the game? No I told her, its one more loss closer to Isiah being gone.

But dam the man can dress! Big night for Isiah and his taylor, it might have been more important for him to out dress then out coach the man.
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11/11/2007  11:22 PM
I'm sorry but old man Penny is in the lane dishing like he is in Orlando, but you guys are talking about JC going to the bench???? Who was guarding Old man Penny???? Who had a better game, Q or Penny "WE CUT YOU" Hardaway??? SMH.

I would start Balkman and bring Chandler off the bench. It can't be any worse.

And I have no clue what Isiah is thinking, but this OLD ass HEAt team is not the team you "sacrifices" offense by having Marbary or Crawford on the floor with Collins, Balkman, Rose for long periods of the game. Here's a little secret zeke, THESE OLD BASTARDS WANT TO PLAY A SLOW DEFENSIVE GAME!!!!!!!!!
Why did Isiah not play Nate???
Why where we trying to play a half court game, when anytime we upped the tempo the knicks did better????
Why did he go long periods of the game with most of the starters being guys who can't score???
Why would you Double ShaQ and not put Lee on him the whole game.......... you're going to double any way, why not keep Curry on the floor????
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11/11/2007  11:25 PM
Posted by oohah:
It is not about a couple of losses. Certainly not for most of the "haters." Think about it. If you've seen it repeatedly before and it has remained essentially at a fever pitch for the past 1.5 years - it, by all accounts, is not about a couple of losses.

I don't get into lovers and haters. However, for those who choose to identify themselves as "haters", it is my belief that it has more to do with their dislike of Isiah Thomas than anything else. You can try to convince me different, but you'd be wasting your time.
If you're referring to the lovers who suddenly jumped ship today, then its a different matter.

Them especially.
Regardless, Oohah, what level of Knick catastrophe will it take for you to crap your pants? (hopefully not after you've hung your ass out there)

I don't generally crap my pants over basketball, but what would bring me close to dropping the turtle-head is if I thought whoever was in charge was deliberately not trying to win.

oohah

I think its unlikely that many people, after that many losing seasons, "hate" on the Knicks mainly out of a personal dislike for Isiah, but since you seem quite certain about it, I won't go any further.
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11/11/2007  11:26 PM
Posted by Anji:

I'm sorry but old man Penny is in the lane dishing like he is in Orlando, but you guys are talking about JC going to the bench???? Who was guarding Old man Penny???? Who had a better game, Q or Penny "WE CUT YOU" Hardaway??? SMH.

I would start Balkman and bring Chandler off the bench. It can't be any worse.

And I have no clue what Isiah is thinking, but this OLD ass HEAt team is not the team you "sacrifices" offense by having Marbary or Crawford on the floor with Collins, Balkman, Rose for long periods of the game. Here's a little secret zeke, THESE OLD BASTARDS WANT TO PLAY A SLOW DEFENSIVE GAME!!!!!!!!!
Why did Isiah not play Nate???
Why where we trying to play a half court game, when anytime we upped the tempo the knicks did better????
Why did he go long periods of the game with most of the starters being guys who can't score???
Why would you Double ShaQ and not put Lee on him the whole game.......... you're going to double any way, why not keep Curry on the floor????

I think he wants to be fired. So atleast he can collect on the remaining years on his contract.
They shold run the old bastards out of the building. Only Isiah in his crooked head knows what he was trying to do. It left me baffled with some of the moves he was making in the game. I think he tought he could play around with the lineup against Miami becuase he saw their record and took them lightly and came back to bite him the azz.


[Edited by - Vmart on 11-11-2007 11:28 PM]
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11/11/2007  11:27 PM
Marbury getting torched by every point guard from Booby Gibson to Melted chocolate Knees Williams is alarming..........
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11/11/2007  11:30 PM
Posted by Anji:

Marbury getting torched by every point guard from Booby Gibson to Melted chocolate Knees Williams is alarming..........

He needs to be gone I guess that was one move that Isiah made that I can take is try and insert MArdy into the lineup more and more. Because Marbury jst isn't cutting it anymore with his decision makeing and defense.
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11/12/2007  7:34 AM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by TheGame:

You know what. We should have won this game, but I am not going to go crazy about. I like that IT is getting Mardy some run. The kid is probably our best passer and a heady player and solid defender. He has to learn how to score and hit his free throws, but this team needs defense in the worse way. Once Zach comes back, his offense will offset Collins' lack of offense. This heat team wanted the game and we played like they were just going to give us the win. That being said, the team needs to get over it and go win some games on the road. Tough losses happen, but we are still early in the season. I am more concerned about our record in March, than I am about one loss in November.

FINALLY SOME SANITY!! Thanks Game. We're all unhappy with the losses, but let's keep things in perspective. We've got talent on tap that hasn't even played yet this year. Mardy to me showed how he can be an effective piece to this puzzle. He slowed down Jay Will's penetrations and made some good defensive playes. But can we give the guy a break since he hasn't played a game yet. This was a good move for the future tho.

I think he's gonna see more PT since we likely won't have Q for a while. I believe we're gonna win some of these road games, so let's actually let them play the games before we write the team off.

You are right, it is one game and no ZBo. I am a lover not a hater, but I still say this was a bad loss. I pin it on lack of leadership at the PG position. Otherwise, Lee played well, Curry did OK. Crawford wasn't bad. QRich played his best game and now he is gone for awhile! Collins looked good too.

This team will be up and down for awhile but eventually will settle into a rotation that works for them. As long as they are healthy I still see 44 wins.

Rose should never play.
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11/12/2007  9:47 AM
Crawford 4-14 with three tos is horrible......

I wish the kings would agree to an artest for nate and jamal deal. Give us room to free up roster space and the ability to start two good defenders, i don't think the kings would go for it though but who knows.

Marbury-Collins
Artest
Q-Balkman
Zach-Lee
Curry

We don't need shooters we need guys that can play guards on other teams, and that 8 man rotation gives us plenty of balkman, lee and collins and artest and q which would make us one of the tougher teams in the east
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11/12/2007  10:55 AM
Posted by MS:

Crawford 4-14 with three tos is horrible......

I wish the kings would agree to an artest for nate and jamal deal. Give us room to free up roster space and the ability to start two good defenders, i don't think the kings would go for it though but who knows.

Marbury-Collins
Artest
Q-Balkman
Zach-Lee
Curry

We don't need shooters we need guys that can play guards on other teams, and that 8 man rotation gives us plenty of balkman, lee and collins and artest and q which would make us one of the tougher teams in the east
You are delusional, Marbury and Q are getting torched game in and out and you are still talking about JC????? He missed a couple of layups like Lee and Marbury, but you are going to harp on his 4-14?????

Hardaway 36min 2-8fg 1-5tp 0-0ft 1or 4dr 5tr 6ast 4stl 0blk 1to 4pf 5pts

Richardson 31min 3-8fg 0-2tp 2-2ft 3or 6dr 9tr 0ast 2stl 0blk 1to 2pf 8pts

What are you smoking????



[Edited by - Anji on 11-12-2007 10:59 AM]
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11/12/2007  11:14 AM
I do see some differences in this years team. We have played reasonably close games this year. There haven't yet been a lot of blowout type losses and I hope there aren't any. We still have the same execution problems, but I think what really get's highlighted is that we can't play mistake free ball so this team can't win close games. Thus it's imperative that we get high output from Jamal. If he's playing like he did in the 2 wins we win these last 2 games. We can't survive bad performances from Jamal. He's our lone scoring threat from the SG position. In the 1st 3 games he avg'd 24 pts and about 7 assists. Now in the 2 losses he had 13 pts and about 4-5 assists. The one stat that really scares me tho is his TO's. In the last 4 games he's been getting 3 or more TO's a game and that is killing us!.

I'd say that in general, taking better care of the ball is a team wide problem again. But in particular it's really a problem when Steph and Jamal have high TO's. The TO's were under control in the 1st 3 games, but the last 2 they jumped up. This isn't an unsalvageable situation. It's simple. Jamal and Steph take better care of the ball and make shots!!! It's that simple. everyone else is fairly consistent in doing what they do, but if those two aren't leading the team properly we're screwed. We can only expect so much from Mardy and Nate. Tho if Jamal and Steph can't get it done, then we'll have to give more time to Mardy and Nate. Outside of any trades it's our only option.
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11/12/2007  11:34 AM
Posted by nixluva:

I do see some differences in this years team. We have played reasonably close games this year. There haven't yet been a lot of blowout type losses and I hope there aren't any. We still have the same execution problems, but I think what really get's highlighted is that we can't play mistake free ball so this team can't win close games. Thus it's imperative that we get high output from Jamal. If he's playing like he did in the 2 wins we win these last 2 games. We can't survive bad performances from Jamal. He's our lone scoring threat from the SG position. In the 1st 3 games he avg'd 24 pts and about 7 assists. Now in the 2 losses he had 13 pts and about 4-5 assists. The one stat that really scares me tho is his TO's. In the last 4 games he's been getting 3 or more TO's a game and that is killing us!.

I'd say that in general, taking better care of the ball is a team wide problem again. But in particular it's really a problem when Steph and Jamal have high TO's. The TO's were under control in the 1st 3 games, but the last 2 they jumped up. This isn't an unsalvageable situation. It's simple. Jamal and Steph take better care of the ball and make shots!!! It's that simple. everyone else is fairly consistent in doing what they do, but if those two aren't leading the team properly we're screwed. We can only expect so much from Mardy and Nate. Tho if Jamal and Steph can't get it done, then we'll have to give more time to Mardy and Nate. Outside of any trades it's our only option.

nix: let me ask you, how can we salvage a backcourt that has proven over these past 3 years that they are best at being inconsistent? How can we salvage a backcourt that can score, but can't make plays consistently down the stretch? How can we salvage a backcourt that can't collectively stop mediocre to bad backcourts from having career games? How is that salvageable? How?

When you see flaws, and you notice these flaws are now prohibiting you from being a decent team, why not remove what is causing the flaws? why wait for them to get better? when history has shown that it is only deteriorating... I can see guys outplaying your backcourt, it happens, it will happen to good teams, but with the knicks, one night it is jason williams, then jameer nelson, then Mccants, then kleiza, then daniel gibson, it never ends bro... never...

[Edited by - tkf on 12-11-2007 11:36 AM]
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11/12/2007  11:45 AM
Posted by tkf:

nix: let me ask you, how can we salvage a backcourt that has proven over these past 3 years that they are best at being inconsistent? How can we salvage a backcourt that can score, but can't make plays consistently down the stretch? How can we salvage a backcourt that can't collectively stop mediocre to bad backcourts from having career games? How is that salvageable? How?

When you see flaws, and you notice these flaws are now prohibiting you from being a decent team, why not remove what is causing the flaws? why wait for them to get better? when history has shown that it is only deteriorating... I can see guys outplaying your backcourt, it happens, it will happen to good teams, but with the knicks, one night it is jason williams, then jameer nelson, then Mccants, then kleiza, then daniel gibson, it never ends bro... never...

[Edited by - tkf on 12-11-2007 11:36 AM]

Unfortunately you are right on. The right thing to do is to get rid of these guys. Crawford still has some value and we can get something in return, hell even trade him with Curry. A guy like Marbury can have some value if he's paired up with someone like Lee. I don't want to trade Lee but at this rate what is the point of having on the team when Isiah is limiting his minutes, he has the most value on our roster, so we should trade him along with Marbury SOMEWHERE. I want Lee on this team but honestly, what is the point of he's not getting minutes? It makes no sense.
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11/12/2007  12:17 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by nixluva:

I do see some differences in this years team. We have played reasonably close games this year. There haven't yet been a lot of blowout type losses and I hope there aren't any. We still have the same execution problems, but I think what really get's highlighted is that we can't play mistake free ball so this team can't win close games. Thus it's imperative that we get high output from Jamal. If he's playing like he did in the 2 wins we win these last 2 games. We can't survive bad performances from Jamal. He's our lone scoring threat from the SG position. In the 1st 3 games he avg'd 24 pts and about 7 assists. Now in the 2 losses he had 13 pts and about 4-5 assists. The one stat that really scares me tho is his TO's. In the last 4 games he's been getting 3 or more TO's a game and that is killing us!.

I'd say that in general, taking better care of the ball is a team wide problem again. But in particular it's really a problem when Steph and Jamal have high TO's. The TO's were under control in the 1st 3 games, but the last 2 they jumped up. This isn't an unsalvageable situation. It's simple. Jamal and Steph take better care of the ball and make shots!!! It's that simple. everyone else is fairly consistent in doing what they do, but if those two aren't leading the team properly we're screwed. We can only expect so much from Mardy and Nate. Tho if Jamal and Steph can't get it done, then we'll have to give more time to Mardy and Nate. Outside of any trades it's our only option.

nix: let me ask you, how can we salvage a backcourt that has proven over these past 3 years that they are best at being inconsistent? How can we salvage a backcourt that can score, but can't make plays consistently down the stretch? How can we salvage a backcourt that can't collectively stop mediocre to bad backcourts from having career games? How is that salvageable? How?

When you see flaws, and you notice these flaws are now prohibiting you from being a decent team, why not remove what is causing the flaws? why wait for them to get better? when history has shown that it is only deteriorating... I can see guys outplaying your backcourt, it happens, it will happen to good teams, but with the knicks, one night it is jason williams, then jameer nelson, then Mccants, then kleiza, then daniel gibson, it never ends bro... never...

[Edited by - tkf on 12-11-2007 11:36 AM]

I understand he frustration. I feel it too, but I also know that over the course of a full season a lot of things can happen. We do have The option of playing Mardy more and I believe the more minutes he get's the better he'll perform. His defense was evident even in his debut. He's got to be rusty and I think he has the tools to help us be a better defensive team for good stretches of time. Still Steph and Jamal have to do a better job defensively of at least staying in front of their man. I don't know if Steph can do it anymore, but after only 5 games i'm not yet ready to say he can't.

The thing is that what really kills us most is TO's and poor shooting from our periemter players. Yeah we need to lock down on penetration and close out on 3's, but the difference in our games has been TO's. 20 and 18 TO's in the last 2 losses is a pretty telling stat. The TO's weren't high in the 1st few games.
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11/12/2007  1:01 PM
4:18 67-68 Eddy Curry enters the game for Renaldo Balkman
4:09 67-68 Stephon Marbury misses 27-foot three point jumper
3:45 67-68 Jamal Crawford misses layup
3:25 67-70 David Lee makes slam dunk (Jamal Crawford assists)
2:47 67-70 Mardy Collins misses 24-foot three point jumper
2:45 67-70 Eddy Curry offensive rebound
2:30 Ricky Davis shooting foul (Eddy Curry draws the foul) 67-70
2:30 67-71 Eddy Curry makes free throw 1 of 2
2:30 67-72 Eddy Curry makes free throw 2 of 2
1:44 Anfernee Hardaway shooting foul (Mardy Collins draws the foul) 69-72
1:44 69-72 Mardy Collins misses free throw 1 of 2
1:44 69-72 New York offensive rebound
1:44 69-72 Mardy Collins misses free throw 2 of 2
1:02 69-72 David Lee misses layup
0:47 New York 20 Sec. timeout
0:37 71-72 Stephon Marbury bad pass
0:19 New York full timeout
0:19 73-72 Nate Robinson enters the game for Mardy Collins
0:12 73-72 Jamal Crawford bad pass (Jason Williams steals)
0:09 75-72 Malik Rose enters the game for Nate Robinson
0:09 75-72 Nate Robinson enters the game for Malik Rose
0:04 75-72 Stephon Marbury misses 24-foot three point jumper

That was our final 4 minutes of the game. We missed a couple of layups, a couple of free throws and if Curry can hang on to that pass JC threw him, we probably have a Three point play. We played a grind it out game.......and I don't know why. Play Nate, play Chandler, run, run, run. Why did we try out play the Heat in the half court???? We took 5 shots in the last four minutes???WHY???

Marbury has played one point guard who is in the top 20 and he gives up on avaerage 21 points a game. Q is terrible, he was matched in play by Penny hardaway. Now when we play against the Suns, watch this Idiot Isiah try to do the opposite and run with the Suns. SMH

I think the Knicks can be good, but Isiah is an idiot. We should be a energy team, that goes to the post when we can't run. Lee, Balkman, JC, N8, Chandler, JJ2, Curry, we have guys who are fast. We guys who can pass(ok not some much Curry) and put the ball on the floor. Why are trying to play ball??? If this was My team we would be a uptempo, board cashing, passing lane playing, motion team. Kick Marbury and Zach to the Curve, then pick up a real point guard with some skills and a Zo like back PF/C.
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11/12/2007  1:29 PM
After reading the post game meltdowns, and the post game "its nothing we're going to improve chill out" rays of sunshine all I really have to add is this:

Does anyone here believe we would have been any better than the 2-3 we are right now? Did anyone really expect anything different? I predicted a 1-5 start to the season, I adjusted that to 2-4 when I saw what I thought was a heat team that was floundering (of course, we beat Denver who I thought we'd lost to - but then lost to Miami who I thought we'd beat).

Enough about me: Did anyone expect us to open 3-2? Only the most optimistic of fans.

So 2-3 isn't the end of the KNICK world because most people expected wins from 38-41 this year. There are some who felt we'd win 35, some who felt we'd win 45, but they combined are the MINORITY in all of this.

To analyze a would-if-could-if-should-have-could-have: We shouldn't have won the Denver game, we should have won the Miami game, we could have won the Cleveland game, we could have lost the Minny game. Even the Orlando game was close until the 4th collapse.


So, it's same old Knicks. Same old expected (UNexpected) Knicks. Same old culprits, same old problems, same old injury prone roster. Same old inconsistent team fighting to be .500



This has been going on for some time. This is nothing new. The idea that you can wipe the history slate clean each season is a nice one but not a realistic one.

It's the same team, partially improved by the acquisition of Zach (and I say partially because he was a huge upgrade over channing but then created a lot of questionmarks for how he would get his in this system and at who's expense). You would expect them to play together a bit better this year. Possibly be healthier but that has already gone right out the window.

So to expect anything more than to struggle to be .500 would be to set one up for disappointment.


What will be the test of the team and the fanbase is this upcoming schedule:

My own prediction:

Suns - L
Clippers - L
Kings - W
Magic - L
Heat - W

4-6 after 10 games. For a team that has made some changes and is also the "same old knicks" I don't think 4-6 would be an unexpected start. After that I think the team needs to get it together a bit more but with an inconsistent roster you are going to have to expect inconsistent results.

The team still has a wide open chance to go 41-41. I doubt it's better. Barring an internal meltdown, firings, major injuries, I don't see how it should be worse.



Yesterday's conclusion was a huge disappointment but did it catch you by surprise? No? Why not? You've seen it before over not just the past 2 seasons of the current core but even back to the day Isiah was hired and even further into the Layden years. It's nothing new.



For anyone that missed the game, as per request I did record the _entire_ game and uploaded it. You can find the post on Page 9.



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11/12/2007  1:43 PM
Posted by Cosmic:

For anyone that missed the game, as per request I did record the _entire_ game and uploaded it. You can find the post on Page 9.

Have I mentioned how much I've missed you, Cos? :)

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11/12/2007  1:52 PM
We can blame this loss on Marbury once again for his boneheaded plays down the stretch. Last year it was the missed free throw. This year it was a pass to a mysterious fan sitting courtside.

Keep it up Steph, you sure as hell are justifying your claim of being the game's greatest PG.
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11/12/2007  3:31 PM
Posted by Cosmic:

After reading the post game meltdowns, and the post game "its nothing we're going to improve chill out" rays of sunshine all I really have to add is this:

Does anyone here believe we would have been any better than the 2-3 we are right now? Did anyone really expect anything different? I predicted a 1-5 start to the season, I adjusted that to 2-4 when I saw what I thought was a heat team that was floundering (of course, we beat Denver who I thought we'd lost to - but then lost to Miami who I thought we'd beat).

Enough about me: Did anyone expect us to open 3-2? Only the most optimistic of fans.

So 2-3 isn't the end of the KNICK world because most people expected wins from 38-41 this year. There are some who felt we'd win 35, some who felt we'd win 45, but they combined are the MINORITY in all of this.

To analyze a would-if-could-if-should-have-could-have: We shouldn't have won the Denver game, we should have won the Miami game, we could have won the Cleveland game, we could have lost the Minny game. Even the Orlando game was close until the 4th collapse.


So, it's same old Knicks. Same old expected (UNexpected) Knicks. Same old culprits, same old problems, same old injury prone roster. Same old inconsistent team fighting to be .500



This has been going on for some time. This is nothing new. The idea that you can wipe the history slate clean each season is a nice one but not a realistic one.

It's the same team, partially improved by the acquisition of Zach (and I say partially because he was a huge upgrade over channing but then created a lot of questionmarks for how he would get his in this system and at who's expense). You would expect them to play together a bit better this year. Possibly be healthier but that has already gone right out the window.

So to expect anything more than to struggle to be .500 would be to set one up for disappointment.


What will be the test of the team and the fanbase is this upcoming schedule:

My own prediction:

Suns - L
Clippers - L
Kings - W
Magic - L
Heat - W

4-6 after 10 games. For a team that has made some changes and is also the "same old knicks" I don't think 4-6 would be an unexpected start. After that I think the team needs to get it together a bit more but with an inconsistent roster you are going to have to expect inconsistent results.

The team still has a wide open chance to go 41-41. I doubt it's better. Barring an internal meltdown, firings, major injuries, I don't see how it should be worse.



Yesterday's conclusion was a huge disappointment but did it catch you by surprise? No? Why not? You've seen it before over not just the past 2 seasons of the current core but even back to the day Isiah was hired and even further into the Layden years. It's nothing new.



For anyone that missed the game, as per request I did record the _entire_ game and uploaded it. You can find the post on Page 9.

great post cosmic, and as I said, to keep hoping for change from this bunch is silly, I was very optimistic before and at the start of the season, but again, I see the same team, it is a little dissapointing becuase of all the talk of guys, "getting better" saying things will be "different" I guess that is why guys like majorleads and isles just don't buy into the bullshyt... they have reached their threshold with this mess and I am nearing mine... You could put in a tape of any knicks game over the past 3 years and you would not be able to tell which year it is, simply because the same old crap is done, year in and year out.. Isiah has fooled himself into believing that all these guys need is time... that is so far from the truth..... how much time did the Hornets have when chris paul got there? they were instantly better? how about the jazz? the magic? the raptors? Isiah should be smacked for using such excuses!
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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