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4/10/2007  7:02 PM
Man I'm watching the press conference with the Rutgers' coach and players. They're really not showing much forgiveness! The coach is an eloquent speaker. She's speaking so passionately that I almost feel like the networks can't just ignore what she's saying.
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4/10/2007  7:06 PM
I agree with misterearl, Imus is not the problem.

People who listen to him are not a problem either. These people have a problem. They are stupid enough to like his brand of humor, and waste their time on their commute to work listening to talk radio instead of music.

Imus should get fired if his ratings go down. If they do not, than it is a reflection on the state of our society. Than again, how many people actually listen to the radio at all?

As far as racism somehow only meaning hating on black people, thats pretty egotistical. I guess Latinos, Jews, and Asians are out of luck when they are discriminated against. If it sounds dumb to you, it is because it should.

I'm sure there a few countries where cultures mix better than in US, but they do not have nearly the same amount of diversity. Given the scale of diversity we have in this country, we are in a league of our own. Somebody praised Canada for being tolerant, how many people even leave in Canada? Aside from the fact that they are very selective as to who is let into the country. Places like Australia and New Zealand make people take tests and give a green light based on that.

It is not perfect but it is getting better. The only way for it to continue is for everybody to work together to make it better. Trading sweeping accusations that place all responsibility on one of the many ethnic/race/religion groups in the country for all the ills we have is retarded. There are plenty of racist white people, Asians, Latinos, Jews, and gasp, Blacks. Racism comes naturally, its an in group / out group thing. Thinking is the only thing that stops it. Everybody group has something it can do to help the situation. Like I have said before, the only way a minority group succeeds is through doing things for themselves, not because somebody helps them. Most recent example Asians.

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Marbury is an athlete, of whom many are not too bright. You can't have it all. There are plenty of dumb white athletes, too. I'm sure somebody hates him because he is Black. However, I'm willing to vouch most dislike him because his team is bad and the is the best player.
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4/10/2007  7:20 PM
While I understand the furor over the comments, I still not sure if Imus is a racist...Listening to Imus as much as I do, I have heard him come to the defense of of many blacks and publicly state these people are discriminated against because of their race...I listened to him during Katrina, and he trumpeted the lack of response of the government was due to the color of the skins of the people involved...He also highlight the now famous racist commercial against Harold Ford (Tennessee,black congressman)running for the Senate...He had Harold Ford on a few times discussing various issues including the commercial to the point where it was obvious the congressman was a little embarrassed by the discussion but Imus wanted to bring attention to this matter...

Now if you are telling me you want Imus head because of those comments and many people has lost their jobs for saying much less than that then ok...I get that, look at Michael Ray Richardson...But if you are telling me Imus is a racist based on those comments, I'm just not sure that is true...Man, I have listened to comments on the topic from both sides of the fence...I just finished listening to one brother from Harlem go nuts on Mike and Mad Dog calling Mad Dog a punk, funny stuff...Mad Dog's response, I don't care what you say, I'm thinking about my tennis match tonight, classic...But I get the brother's point of view as well against Imus' comments...I don't think you can make a decision on Imus just on those comments but on his entire body of work...Has he made racially insensitive comments or has been an advocate for such comments in the pass, the answer is yes...But I have seen him be insensitive to everyone and everything...I have, however seen him fiercely defend blacks over the years...Looking at his body of work, I tend to think it's more about the humor( I know doesn't make it right) than the actual hatred of a people unknowingly slipping through his lips....But thats just me....
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4/10/2007  7:26 PM

P.S. Mike and the Mad Dog are racist bastards!!!
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4/10/2007  7:52 PM
Posted by bitty41:
I can't believe you still persist in insulting my intelligence by insinuating I believe, or have suggested, otherwise.

Well what should I believe about this statement you made:
[The sort of language that Imus engaged in is on the verge of becoming mainstream in this society. That's the problem, and I contend that is because of the numbers of blacks who engage in it on a daily basis mores so than the occasional whites. To that you suggest it is driven by white media owners. Perhaps it is, but be that as it may, the language arose in some segment of "a" black community and is being promulgated by many prominent blacks on a daily basis. I don't see how that can be in dispute

bitty, you have to look inside yourself to determine why you chose to interpret "number" and "many" to mean "every" and "all".

If you want to argue that my language, in your opinion, exaggerates however many there might be, that might have some merit, or be a topic worth discussing. However, to suggest that I am speaking of "all" blacks is not only dumb, and obviously incorrect, it's wholly counterproductive to the conversation, and I think the direction (or lack thereof) the conversation has taken after all these pages bears that out.

A similar analogy might be if you said you find "all those" girls gone wild videos demeaning to women and I repeatedly came back telling you not all men make those videos or not all women participate in them. I think you'd agree that would become tiresome fast and get us nowhere.
Thank you for answering the question. So does that answer apply equally to all races?

Nah just white people thats all; blacks, asians, latinos, fire away throw the racial insults at white people each other their own race. Now I hope you see how ridiculous that question is.
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I apologize, I'm not trying to be difficult, but the grammar of that sentence makes it hard for me to get your precise meaning.

Ultimately, getting caught up day after day over whether I mean "all" blacks when I say "some" or "many" indicates to me this isn't a conversation that wants to be had. In other words, I think difficult issues are being deflected and we find ourselves exchanging barbs over trivialities. This serves no one. Maybe we should drop it.
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4/10/2007  8:28 PM
Posted by holfresh:


P.S. Mike and the Mad Dog are racist bastards!!!

I am not sure about Mike but Chris is socially challenged. He doesn't understand that isn't in his world. He often gets himself into trouble by talking.
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4/10/2007  8:48 PM
bitty, you have to look inside yourself to determine why you chose to interpret "number" and "many" to mean "every" and "all".

I found it interesting that you don't really address the "true meaning" of your statement. But whatever
I apologize, I'm not trying to be difficult, but the grammar of that sentence makes it hard for me to get your precise meaning.

I was saying that your question is ridiculously I would never be one advocate that only certain ethnic groups should practice racial tolerance and its okay for others to practice intolerance.
In other words, I think difficult issues are being deflected and we find ourselves exchanging barbs over trivialities. This serves no one. Maybe we should drop it.

This is a general statement not directed at anyone in particular.

I think the fundamental problem is this: if you cann't have an open mind when discussing the differences in a society (whether it be gender, race, or religion) than that discussion will most likely turn into a night at the OK Corral. Because its natural for everyone to have their own biases or preconceived notions. But if you believe that your position is irrefutable than there's no discussion people will just become angry and begin hurling the insults and negative labels i.e. racist,sexist? But I think we all could stand to learn some more about each other and our own selves.

At the end of the day there are things far more important to me than one jackass. Iraq, the increasing levels of high school drop outs, genocide in Africa, inflation, the health care system, Brangelina okay maybe not inflation but you get my point.

So we just agree to disagree.
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4/10/2007  8:54 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

This was actually said in the 90s about the Ewing Knicks. Mike Breen was the sports guy during the 90s. That's why he was reference and took part of that "sketch"

I see. I was just goofing with my comment anyway.
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4/10/2007  9:06 PM
Posted by bitty41:
bitty, you have to look inside yourself to determine why you chose to interpret "number" and "many" to mean "every" and "all".

I found it interesting that you don't really address the "true meaning" of your statement. But whatever

Which is what?
I apologize, I'm not trying to be difficult, but the grammar of that sentence makes it hard for me to get your precise meaning.

I was saying that your question is ridiculously I would never be one advocate that only certain ethnic groups should practice racial tolerance and its okay for others to practice intolerance.
In other words, I think difficult issues are being deflected and we find ourselves exchanging barbs over trivialities. This serves no one. Maybe we should drop it.

This is a general statement not directed at anyone in particular.

I think the fundamental problem is this: if you cann't have an open mind when discussing the differences in a society (whether it be gender, race, or religion) than that discussion will most likely turn into a night at the OK Corral. Because its natural for everyone to have their own biases or preconceived notions. But if you believe that your position is irrefutable than there's no discussion people will just become angry and begin hurling the insults and negative labels i.e. racist,sexist? But I think we all could stand to learn some more about each other and our own selves.

At the end of the day there are things far more important to me than one jackass. Iraq, the increasing levels of high school drop outs, genocide in Africa, inflation, the health care system, Brangelina okay maybe not inflation but you get my point.

So we just agree to disagree.

Why do you say that? When I asked you what our differences were you said
Posted by bitty41:

Were is disagreement in that most black people speak that way or that popular culture is representative of a racial group.

which was the last thing I ever intended to insunuate, and have told you so over and over. So what is the true disagreement?

[Edited by - blueseats on 04-10-2007 9:21 PM]
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4/10/2007  10:23 PM
Bitty, I think you think my true intent is to blame blacks for Imus' racially insensitive comments.

I can see why you'd think that because I do implicate blacks. But that, to me, is different than to blame them. The larger blame probably goes to an American media that primarily appeals to the lowest common denominators of all races. The sophistication of the Imus show, to me, is probably the political equivalent of the Jerry Springer show. It thrives off shock, schloch, and scandal.

Be that as it may, however large or small it is, that portion of the black entertainment industry that partakes in racey jargon and mockery against itself contributes to an air of permissiveness of use outside the community too. Why? Because it comes off as playful, and is given an appearance of being okay (which it's become clear it isn't.)

Some blacks might not want to believe this, but in many strata of this country, including among whites, black culture and hip-hop are considered pretty hip. I think the crossover of rap and hip hop clearly bear that out.

This list is probably woefully short, but here are a few phrases that I think developed in the black community that have crossed over into fairly mainstream usage, particularly among the young:

24/7
holla
word
whack
keepin' it real
my bad
show me some love
feel me?
props
dawg

There's a certain level of, not mere acceptance, but also emulation and integration, of black culture and influence. Try to appreciate that there is a certain cultural participation, if not a leadership role, that blacks play in our mainstream American culture. That adds up to a kind of power that those who wield it need to be responsible for.

Now, I'd hope it were obvious when I talk about blacks in this context I'm speaking primarily to the more visible and culturally influential of them. And of that set, in this conversation, I'm speaking toward those who are influential in there specific areas we are discussing. Not unlike those you, Eny, Lovespree, etc, have spoken of. This is NOT intended to lump all blacks as one, or unneccessarily implicate anyone in anything.

So some blacks are having fun making fun of themselves and racism, which you've kinda spoken down on, but I think it's good for them. I think it's part of their healing process. BUT, it is also influential to greater society all the same.

So there's this confusing question in my mind that asks: where do we go from here so that blacks can have the kind of fun they need to amongst themselves, while not influencing others to participate in without their permission? And I don't know the answer to that, but I think it's where the conversation should be looking.

Imus is also in a position of influence and power, and he too needs to be responsible for his, and I haven't opposed anyone who's said he wasn't. But Imus is just one man, and I'm interested in the subject above and beyond him, and that's why I haven't dwelled on his specifics.

Anyway, I started this with more to say but go lost in the process. I think we could have a very interesting and positive conversation of this topic (not that we should, I'm kinda spent) if you could just stop making the worst possible misconstructions on my words and intentions. But it appears to me that we never get past "go" before hitting the roadblocks of preconceptions and/or misinterpretations.
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4/10/2007  11:20 PM


Rutgers head coach.




[Edited by - nalod on 04-10-2007 11:36 PM]
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4/10/2007  11:42 PM
I'm realizing that the more I defend or explain myself, the less comfortable I feel about myself. So I'm going to take my own advice and self-reflect. If I'm pissing this many people off, or find myself this hard to understand, it's probably on me and not them.

I shall step away for a bit, and perhaps re-read some earlier posts, and see where I may have been off-base or inappropriate. And if anyone feels they have something to offer toward that end feel free to lend your assistance.

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4/10/2007  11:49 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

I'm realizing that the more I defend or explain myself, the less comfortable I feel about myself. So I'm going to take my own advice and self-reflect. If I'm pissing this many people off, or find myself this hard to understand, it's probably on me and not them.

I shall step away for a bit, and perhaps re-read some earlier posts, and see where I may have been off-base or inappropriate. And if anyone feels they have something to offer toward that end feel free to lend your assistance.

"What's so funny about peace, love and understanding?" - Elvis Costello

dude you've been valiant in your attmpts. pick up an old r crumb comic, open a beer and chill a little..
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4/10/2007  11:53 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

I'm realizing that the more I defend or explain myself, the less comfortable I feel about myself. So I'm going to take my own advice and self-reflect. If I'm pissing this many people off, or find myself this hard to understand, it's probably on me and not them.

I shall step away for a bit, and perhaps re-read some earlier posts, and see where I may have been off-base or inappropriate. And if anyone feels they have something to offer toward that end feel free to lend your assistance.

"What's so funny about peace, love and understanding?" - Elvis Costello

Blue, your posting on this subject was A+
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4/10/2007  11:56 PM
http://www.nypost.com/seven/03182007/news/regionalnews/girls_bloody_beating_regionalnews_dan_mangan________and_leela_de_kretser.htm
GIRL'S BLOODY BEATING DRIVER DOES NOTHING AS TEENS ATTACK HER ON BUS
By DAN MANGAN and LEELA de KRETSER

March 18, 2007 -- A Catholic-high-school student said she was brutally punched, kicked and teased for looking "Chinese" by a pack of kids as she rode a city bus home from school - and claims the bus driver did nothing except tell her to "go to a priest."

Marie Stefanie Martinez, 17 - still bruised and battered after her ordeal - says she was wear ing her uniform when she was attacked by a group of 10 black teenagers shortly after step ping on to the B82 bus at 3:30 p.m. Friday.

"I'm just so glad the kids didn't have a weapon. If they did, I could have died if they stabbed me with a pen or something," said Martinez, from the Phil ippines.

The brazen beating began as the bus pulled away from Ocean Avenue and Kings Highway, where Martinez boarded with her pal, Sherell.

"When we got on they were al ready whis pering and mak ing noises and everything," Martinez said. "They were like 'I'm not letting you past' and everything. They were laughing."

The scared schoolgirl said she was laughed at when she tried to defend herself, with the bullies mocking her accent.

"They were pulling my hair, pulling my hair, opening my book bag!" she said. "I said, 'Leave me alone. I'm not doing anything to you.'

"That's when they started to crowd around me. The boy punched me twice in my face and my mouth."

Martinez said she was ultimately saved by a man in his 30s, who pulled her from the group.

The honors student then told the driver what happened, and he shockingly said to go to talk to a priest.

She instead opted to file a report at the 63rd Precinct.

Lourdes Maduindam, Martinez's aunt and legal guardian, said when she saw her niece, "She was bleeding like crazy from her noise and mouth. She had a headache and was dizzy.

"Thank God there's no fracture."

Martinez said she is so afraid that she doesn't know how she'll get to school tomorrow.

"I am terrified. I'm scared to take the bus," she said. "I can't sleep. I've tried to sleep, but I can't. I'm too afraid to."

Martinez's lawyer, Rosemarie Arnold, said the family will sue the MTA.

"How did the bus driver let this happen?" Arnold said. "You have 13 kids making a commotion. This guy just turned a blind eye to it.

"He shirked his responsibility to this child."

The MTA could not immediately comment.

just posted this to show that racism isn't an exclusively black & white issue... we still have a long, LONG way to go in this country guys & gals.
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4/11/2007  12:05 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:

I'm realizing that the more I defend or explain myself, the less comfortable I feel about myself. So I'm going to take my own advice and self-reflect. If I'm pissing this many people off, or find myself this hard to understand, it's probably on me and not them.

I shall step away for a bit, and perhaps re-read some earlier posts, and see where I may have been off-base or inappropriate. And if anyone feels they have something to offer toward that end feel free to lend your assistance.

"What's so funny about peace, love and understanding?" - Elvis Costello

Blue, 95% of what people read is tone. Thus the quibbling over qualifiers like some, many, most, etc. I'd say you've put more thought into this than most, so there's no need to feel uncomfortable or alienated. Self-reflection is therapeutic and everyone that participated here should do so. I'm going to start by making a contribution to the Alba thread.
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4/11/2007  12:12 AM
TMS, thats horrible.. jesus.
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4/11/2007  7:26 AM
just posted this to show that racism isn't an exclusively black & white issue... we still have a long, LONG way to go in this country guys & gals.


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[Edited by - joec32033 on 11 April 2007 07:27]
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4/11/2007  7:38 AM
The guy in that video doesn't have his own radio show and is obviously an extremist.



That was easy.
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Rudy Guiliani said he would appear on Imus show again.

Hillary Clinton says Don Imus deserves the reaction he's getting for his controversial comments. She said he went over the line.

[Edited by - playa2 on 11-04-2007 07:55]
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