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2/21/2007  6:45 PM
If God was to accept a priest who has done a sin like that then, that man was worthy.

Let me rephrase that, since nobody is necessarily worthy to enter heaven since we all sin. But its through Gods mercy that he accepts us.
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2/21/2007  7:09 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by newyorknewyork:
The scientific view in general not just homosexuality is also very convenient. Since with belieiving that view we could sin non-stop all day every day with no fear of consiquence & no need to repent...

Reguardless of that its my belief(let me first state that) as a christian that even if you don't believe you will still get your chance to repent and be saved beofre God.


But I am troubled by the notion that a person can "sin" their entire life and then be redeemed and saved at the last second. I think there is a problem with living for the afterlife, and being given a convenient last-second option.

As an agnostic I chose not to put my eggs in any particular basket and think the best path is to live for the here and now, and to serve our fellow man in the present. Not that I do a good job of it. But those who do good by others, purely out of a sense of humanitarianism, altruism and brotherhood, put humanity farther along than those who connive to win favor in the afterlife, or who feel they are permitted to sin with the option to repent at the last minute to be saved.

The priest who knows he's sinning while he molests a child expects to pay a price for his misdeeds, but also expects forgiveness and go to heaven. Isn't that convenient. Talk about a lack of accountability, or disincentive.

This repentance and redemption is like a free Get Out Of Jail card. I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't many an evil dude who anticipate cashing theirs in on their way out.

I was really talking about those who don't beleive in God, probably mostly because they never seen God. And sin because they don't believe in God. Everyone is going to get there chance to repent. Its not like if you don't believe in God you automatically go to hell when judgement time comes. Thats what I was trying to add to my post. Now for the priest who sin that way I can't really tell you how they are going to be judged by God if they repent. But you can't fool God, and he is going to judge your sins & your heart, not your title. Since God is perfect he is going to make the perfect judgement. If God was to accept a priest who has done a sin like that then, that man was worthy. But its also said that you shouldn't TEST God. And a Priest who sins like that though he believes in God is definatly testing God.

Religion was used throughout time by aristocrats to control the lower classes. Nothing more, nothing less. Just fake stories made up to get the common folk to follow the rules.
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2/21/2007  7:28 PM
Posted by nykshaknbake:

I don't think science has led to either of those conclusions.
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Science has holes in there view as well which prevent them from being facts. Thats why they are called scientific theorys. Now I haven't followed the scientific view on homosexuality other than what I have learned on this board. I did find this article to read up on the scientific view though.
http://www.inqueery.com/html/science_and_homosexuality.html.

The scientific view in general not just homosexuality is also very convenient. Since with belieiving that view we could sin non-stop all day every day with no fear of consiquence & no need to repent. And instead of feeding the spirit you give in to feeding the flesh. In christianity feeding the flesh leads to death, while feeding the spirit leads to eternal life. But if you don't believe in God then it doesn't really matter to you does it. Remember im talking about science in general not just homosexuality. Reguardless of that its my belief(let me first state that) as a christian that even if you don't believe you will still get your chance to repent and be saved beofre God. Just that those who beleive without seeing will be blessed more than those who needed to see the lord in order to believe.

One thing about science that I have trouble with. Is that we have supposedly evolved so perfectly into & as this human race, and have all these wonders of the world. But yet none of it have any meaning in the end.

Science can lead to unambiguous conclusions, including that there is a huge genetic component to homosexuality and that treatments do not produce long-term change in sexual orientation. There are many questions science has not yet answered, but that does not invalidate questions it has already answered.

Read peer-reviewed psychology and psychiatry journal articles on the topics

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 02-21-2007 7:28 PM]
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2/21/2007  10:24 PM
Terrible Tim shown why he was, he is and always been an As-bin,
whether in the past or present.

no one listen to him while he played and made comments.
no one listen to him when his career ended with low-lights
no one aint listening to that turkey now.

It aint even T-Day in november and we have Tim "The Hard way".
Who is Tim Hardaway ?





[Edited by - DJMUSIC on 02-21-2007 10:29 PM]
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2/21/2007  11:53 PM
Can you cite any?
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nykshaknbake:

I don't think science has led to either of those conclusions.
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Science has holes in there view as well which prevent them from being facts. Thats why they are called scientific theorys. Now I haven't followed the scientific view on homosexuality other than what I have learned on this board. I did find this article to read up on the scientific view though.
http://www.inqueery.com/html/science_and_homosexuality.html.

The scientific view in general not just homosexuality is also very convenient. Since with belieiving that view we could sin non-stop all day every day with no fear of consiquence & no need to repent. And instead of feeding the spirit you give in to feeding the flesh. In christianity feeding the flesh leads to death, while feeding the spirit leads to eternal life. But if you don't believe in God then it doesn't really matter to you does it. Remember im talking about science in general not just homosexuality. Reguardless of that its my belief(let me first state that) as a christian that even if you don't believe you will still get your chance to repent and be saved beofre God. Just that those who beleive without seeing will be blessed more than those who needed to see the lord in order to believe.

One thing about science that I have trouble with. Is that we have supposedly evolved so perfectly into & as this human race, and have all these wonders of the world. But yet none of it have any meaning in the end.

Science can lead to unambiguous conclusions, including that there is a huge genetic component to homosexuality and that treatments do not produce long-term change in sexual orientation. There are many questions science has not yet answered, but that does not invalidate questions it has already answered.

Read peer-reviewed psychology and psychiatry journal articles on the topics

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 02-21-2007 7:28 PM]
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Posted by kam77:

I respect nothing about those opinions Allanfan, sorry. I understand the futility of trying to change a person's mind, but I dont think this thread is about trying to change the mind of Playa. Its more his personal thread to attack homosexuals and I find it highly offensive.

Freedom of speech is one thing, but allowing a bigoted person a public platform to vent his hate is dangerously close to crossing the line in my opinion.

Keep insulating yourself from others opinions. What a joke.

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2/22/2007  12:01 AM
I don't know. I can see why someone would not respect such homophobic opinions. You can respect someone's right to have an opinion, but that doesn't mean you have to respect the actual opinion.
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Posted by eViL:

I don't know. I can see why someone would not respect such homophobic opinions. You can respect someone's right to have an opinion, but that doesn't mean you have to respect the actual opinion.

Homophobia is now as deadly as a gallon of anthrax. Enemies of liberty use it as a weapon of intimidation and discrimination to destroy politicians, religious leaders, neighbors, corporate heads, anyone who would dare disagree with the elitist demagougery of the gay rights movement.



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Posted by nykshaknbake:

Can you cite any?
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nykshaknbake:

I don't think science has led to either of those conclusions.
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Science has holes in there view as well which prevent them from being facts. Thats why they are called scientific theorys. Now I haven't followed the scientific view on homosexuality other than what I have learned on this board. I did find this article to read up on the scientific view though.
http://www.inqueery.com/html/science_and_homosexuality.html.

The scientific view in general not just homosexuality is also very convenient. Since with belieiving that view we could sin non-stop all day every day with no fear of consiquence & no need to repent. And instead of feeding the spirit you give in to feeding the flesh. In christianity feeding the flesh leads to death, while feeding the spirit leads to eternal life. But if you don't believe in God then it doesn't really matter to you does it. Remember im talking about science in general not just homosexuality. Reguardless of that its my belief(let me first state that) as a christian that even if you don't believe you will still get your chance to repent and be saved beofre God. Just that those who beleive without seeing will be blessed more than those who needed to see the lord in order to believe.

One thing about science that I have trouble with. Is that we have supposedly evolved so perfectly into & as this human race, and have all these wonders of the world. But yet none of it have any meaning in the end.

Science can lead to unambiguous conclusions, including that there is a huge genetic component to homosexuality and that treatments do not produce long-term change in sexual orientation. There are many questions science has not yet answered, but that does not invalidate questions it has already answered.

Read peer-reviewed psychology and psychiatry journal articles on the topics

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 02-21-2007 7:28 PM]
If I get a chance later today, I will. You can find plenty of coverage in probably any developmental psychology textbook.
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2/22/2007  9:16 AM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by eViL:

I don't know. I can see why someone would not respect such homophobic opinions. You can respect someone's right to have an opinion, but that doesn't mean you have to respect the actual opinion.

Homophobia is now as deadly as a gallon of anthrax. Enemies of liberty use it as a weapon of intimidation and discrimination to destroy politicians, religious leaders, neighbors, corporate heads, anyone who would dare disagree with the elitist demagougery of the gay rights movement.

Wow, now you're even topping yourself! If a homophobe is a person who fears that gay people want to make everybody gay and thus end all reproduction of the human race, then that person is insane and maybe should not be in a position of power (thus the "anthrax" effect of rationality).

If being a homophobe means not accepting homosexuals as people and denying them their right to annouce their preferrence openly, then the homophobe is the enemy of liberty!

Since you are a Christian, Playa, can't you just let them be a part of the human family and just assume that when they are dying they will realize you were right and they were wrong and they will feel ashamed and they will repent and they will go to heaven where they can hang out with you, Dahmer and Berkowitz for all eternity?
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Posted by GhandiOrr:

they will go to heaven where they can hang out with you, Dahmer and Berkowitz for all eternity?

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Kudos to all for keeping this pretty sane.

Im suprised we have not even one alternative lifestyle knick fan on these boards!

I'd like to have that point of view represented in this "debate".

I wonder if the rumors about our posterboy of toughness Mr. Charles "Oak" Oakley is really gay?
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ok, then. see if you can find any specific genes, proteins or pathways...anything less is just speculation + philospphy

Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nykshaknbake:

Can you cite any?
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nykshaknbake:

I don't think science has led to either of those conclusions.
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Science has holes in there view as well which prevent them from being facts. Thats why they are called scientific theorys. Now I haven't followed the scientific view on homosexuality other than what I have learned on this board. I did find this article to read up on the scientific view though.
http://www.inqueery.com/html/science_and_homosexuality.html.

The scientific view in general not just homosexuality is also very convenient. Since with belieiving that view we could sin non-stop all day every day with no fear of consiquence & no need to repent. And instead of feeding the spirit you give in to feeding the flesh. In christianity feeding the flesh leads to death, while feeding the spirit leads to eternal life. But if you don't believe in God then it doesn't really matter to you does it. Remember im talking about science in general not just homosexuality. Reguardless of that its my belief(let me first state that) as a christian that even if you don't believe you will still get your chance to repent and be saved beofre God. Just that those who beleive without seeing will be blessed more than those who needed to see the lord in order to believe.

One thing about science that I have trouble with. Is that we have supposedly evolved so perfectly into & as this human race, and have all these wonders of the world. But yet none of it have any meaning in the end.

Science can lead to unambiguous conclusions, including that there is a huge genetic component to homosexuality and that treatments do not produce long-term change in sexual orientation. There are many questions science has not yet answered, but that does not invalidate questions it has already answered.

Read peer-reviewed psychology and psychiatry journal articles on the topics

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 02-21-2007 7:28 PM]
If I get a chance later today, I will. You can find plenty of coverage in probably any developmental psychology textbook.
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So he was a practicing homosexual in the nba - there are probably a few more currently playing he says....is he outing them no, or is he basically going to tell everyone in his book how he picked up guys while traveling from city to city. IMHO if he was a truly ok with himself, why not admit it while still active in the league! why now - when he's not playing and no one is wondering where he's at an what he's doing!
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Posted by playa2:

So he was a practicing homosexual in the nba - there are probably a few more currently playing he says....is he outing them no, or is he basically going to tell everyone in his book how he picked up guys while traveling from city to city. IMHO if he was a truly ok with himself, why not admit it while still active in the league!
Maybe he didn't want to be treated like **** by half his teammates?
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2/22/2007  11:26 PM
Posted by playa2:

So he was a practicing homosexual in the nba - there are probably a few more currently playing he says....is he outing them no, or is he basically going to tell everyone in his book how he picked up guys while traveling from city to city. IMHO if he was a truly ok with himself, why not admit it while still active in the league! why now - when he's not playing and no one is wondering where he's at an what he's doing!


are you kidding? listen to what you are saying throughout this thread, and then ask yourself that again.


[Edited by - jaydh on 02-22-2007 11:26 PM]
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"practicing homosexual" - very interesting term...
So he was "practicing" in NBA and when he became ready he now REAL homosexual.
So he wrote a book and made a statement.

Guys - this is not a skill or hobby. This is some thing with which people are coming to this world.
They are just different and to make an issue about it is a plain racism.
If Hill will come up with a statement that he doesn’t like whites, or Jews, or Mexicans everybody will demand public apology or drag him to court. Something is wrong with us people...
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Like SAS said if anybody tries to compare a color of a man's skin type of racism with a Homosexual's personal agenda is really off their rocker.

We have witnessed people who were gay to be delivered adn married with children, but we have never seen someone change the color of their skin.
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We have witnessed people who were gay to be delivered adn married with children, but we have never seen someone change the color of their skin.

Plenty of gay people having kids, delivered or not. Regular people and gay-bashing weirdos like Ted Haggart, who had 5 kids well before he was "delivered".

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Two more players I think might have been gay: Terry Porter and Trent Tucker.

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