Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bonn1997:
We've done this all thread. Based on his success rate, I think he's above average at drafting pitchers and average or slightly below average in all other phases of the game. You're right that he has made many good moves. He's also made dozens of terrible, very expensive moves--any ONE of which would get most GMs fired. They roughly balance out and make him about average in my opinion. He doesn't have a great or a terrible success rate. I wouldn't settle for a $200 mil average offense or a $200 mil average pitching rotation, though, just like I wouldn't settle for an average GM composing a $200 mil team. Many of his mistakes have been errors of omission rather than commision too, as I've argued in many consecutive off-seasons that he's been too passive with free agency. (This off-season is an exception so far.) I'm not gonna go into more detail than that. It's in the thread already. You can find tons of examples there.
[Edited by - bonn1997 on 01-01-2009 4:54 PM]
The part that I bolded, which is the basis of your opinion of Cashman, makes absolutely no sense.
You say that he's only above average at drafting pitchers. But then you say that he's made "dozens of terrible, very expensive moves--any ONE of which would get most GMs fired". Unless Cashman has drafted a dozen future Hall of Fame pitchers that we don't know about, how could the 2 possibly balance each other out to make him average, as you said?
Cashman has been the GM since 1998, during which time the Yankees have won 3 World Series, 5 AL Pennants and have made the playoffs every year except 1. I'm pretty sure that regardless of how much money they've spent, a record that impressive can in no way be described as "average". I'm not even going to get into the fact that he has the highest profile job, working for the highest profile ownership in baseball and has handled himself impeccably.
I'm sure you'll tell me to scour the other 99 pages of this thread to show me how off base I am but your argument is really lacking. Your irrational dislike for the job that Cashman has done is baseless.
You must have intentionally ignored the part about him making many very good moves. Yes, many very good moves and many very bad moves roughly cancel each other out in my reasoning. I didn't realize that was so confusing. Sorry. (It's pathetic but I couldn't stand the thought of Isles thinking he had "stumped" me with his latest trivial clarification request.) And TMS, there definitely is a long list ranging from $30 mil for half a season of Roger to $46 mil on Igawa and including about ten or so other moves where each alone would have gotten the other GM fired, and it appears multiple times in this thread. Sorry I'm not going to repeat it or search to find it for you.
I'll still be here posting if something big happens and during the season. I just see no point in continuing the recent discussions. No, Isles, I won't clarify your next trivial request for clarification. You'll have to find out on your own what the meaning of "is" is.
Jaydh, I hope you appear more often. I don't always agree with you but you bring much needed balance here.
DJ, you give Cash too much credit but you're still a cool guy.
1/2/2009 5:49 PM
