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NardDogNation
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6/1/2025  3:24 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/1/2025  3:28 PM
The key for the Knicks is to re-establish an identity that is true to its players and coaching staff. What we were last season was a heliocentric offensive team that rarely turned the ball over and whose offensive rebounding became elite enough to produce efficient offense. We also had a pivot that could run high-low options to diversify our offense, while keeping the defense second-guessing.

On defense, we were anchored by guys that played ELITE drop coverage; protecting the rim at all costs for 48 minutes a game, EVERY game.

We strayed away from that this season for financial reasons and as an asset play. That being said, I think key to what we do this off-season, should focus on getting rid of KAT and the money he's owed long-term. He simply does not fit the aforementioned identity that we need to aspire to and frustrates his teammates as well as the fan base with his inconsistent play and attitude. Our return should focus moreso on DEPTH than STARPOWER. IND and OKC advancing to the Finals is proof-concept that platoon rotations are the optimal strategy given the current landscape in the NBA. Contenders are so handicapped due to aprons that they are susceptible to being beat by teams that can simply overwhelm their opponent through attrition.

I mentioned this in another thread but I think KAT to BKN for Nic Claxton and Cam Johnson would work for me. It adds depth, size and synergy to the roster (since Claxton and Robinson are facisimiles to each other; Johnson a former teammate of Bridges). Longer-term, Claxton has a depreciating contract that will help us financial flexibility to add to the roster, while Johnson offers us cost-certainity at a reasonable, long-term price-point. I also wouldn't be opposed to expanding the deal to trade those two for Isiah Hartenstein (who will be too expensive for OKC to keep) and DDV.

The rest will work itself out with the youth we have currently in development. I wouldn't be surprised if we stumbled into a G-League gem next season, considering the growth I've observed from that program. I also think Kevin McCullar is WILDLY underappreciated and will start showing dividends immediately next season.

As far as free agent signings, we need CP3. I also wonder what the Wizards do with Saddiq Bey. I think he'd be useful to us off the bench as a forward and his pedigree as a Villanova grad should have its own appeal.

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6/1/2025  3:41 PM
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martin wrote:Another issue the Knicks need to address:

And how is this addressed?

I mean, this team did seem fundamentally flawed in many areas, but they aren’t youngsters. Do you give them all dribbling boot camps in the offseason?

I honestly wonder because sometimes it seems that players are just content in remaining flawed. OG for example should focus more on this than on how many touches he gets. KAT should take all the criticism on his defense and work on it.

Lots of basic stuff this team seemed to slack on. The more I think about it, the more I marvel at how talented this team is that won as many games as they did with poor coaching and some poor fundamentals.

I don’t think this is fixed by one particular player working on the handle. So it’s a roster thing, whether that means someone off bench or acquiring someone with that skill set. Knicks have had this problem from last year too but Randle helped some.

In playoffs, it’s a different story and teams can prep.

Deuce, OG, Mikal, Josh, Jalen are just not good enough in high level playoffs.

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6/1/2025  3:42 PM
NardDogNation wrote:The key for the Knicks is to re-establish an identity that is true to its players and coaching staff. What we were last season was a heliocentric offensive team that rarely turned the ball over and whose offensive rebounding became elite enough to produce efficient offense. We also had a pivot that could run high-low options to diversify our offense, while keeping the defense second-guessing.

On defense, we were anchored by guys that played ELITE drop coverage; protecting the rim at all costs for 48 minutes a game, EVERY game.

We strayed away from that this season for financial reasons and as an asset play. That being said, I think key to what we do this off-season, should focus on getting rid of KAT and the money he's owed long-term. He simply does not fit the aforementioned identity that we need to aspire to and frustrates his teammates as well as the fan base with his inconsistent play and attitude. Our return should focus moreso on DEPTH than STARPOWER. IND and OKC advancing to the Finals is proof-concept that platoon rotations are the optimal strategy given the current landscape in the NBA. Contenders are so handicapped due to aprons that they are susceptible to being beat by teams that can simply overwhelm their opponent through attrition.

I mentioned this in another thread but I think KAT to BKN for Nic Claxton and Cam Johnson would work for me. It adds depth, size and synergy to the roster (since Claxton and Robinson are facisimiles to each other; Johnson a former teammate of Bridges). Longer-term, Claxton has a depreciating contract that will help us financial flexibility to add to the roster, while Johnson offers us cost-certainity at a reasonable, long-term price-point. I also wouldn't be opposed to expanding the deal to trade those two for Isiah Hartenstein (who will be too expensive for OKC to keep) and DDV.

The rest will work itself out with the youth we have currently in development. I wouldn't be surprised if we stumbled into a G-League gem next season, considering the growth I've observed from that program. I also think Kevin McCullar is WILDLY underappreciated and will start showing dividends immediately next season.

As far as free agent signings, we need CP3. I also wonder what the Wizards do with Saddiq Bey. I think he'd be useful to us off the bench as a forward and his pedigree as a Villanova grad should have its own appeal.

We could play with kat as the hub. He's a triple threat menace and we have cutters and shooters around him. I agree that we need some interior defense. I would like to see a defensive minded 4 (mobile and a shot blocker, capable of one offensive move at least) next to kat at 5.
This is correctable in my opinion.
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6/1/2025  6:21 PM
I recall when we traded for KAT many rumblings around it was that it was a cap play to punt on Julius’ extension and get a player you could build up and trade for another max guy. I’m not sure KAT was ever a guaranteed long term piece. We will definitely see what Leon’s motivation is for KAT soon. I would say his strong backing of Thibs means KAT will likely be shopped.
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6/1/2025  7:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/1/2025  7:08 PM
I refuse to watch Josh Hart again with a key role. I'm sick of him producing ****ing dick when it comes time for meaningful playoff basketball

I wish we could flip him for IQ. I think another team that needs a starter would trade a legit sixth man for him. I want Lou William or Jamal Crawford (post Knicks)

Hart can't do it. In fact, all he does is dribble the ball into the teeth of a decent teams' defense

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6/1/2025  7:11 PM
Thought that last night during the game, especially Burks would have helped this series.

houston20 wrote:I would try to bring back Burks and bojan bogdanvic we missed those guys badly.
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6/1/2025  7:27 PM
DLeethal wrote:I recall when we traded for KAT many rumblings around it was that it was a cap play to punt on Julius’ extension and get a player you could build up and trade for another max guy. I’m not sure KAT was ever a guaranteed long term piece. We will definitely see what Leon’s motivation is for KAT soon. I would say his strong backing of Thibs means KAT will likely be shopped.

KAT could always be moved for a Giannis player if they need the salary. Unlikely that deal comes. I think the main reason for getting KAT was that he was Leon’s client. But moving on from Randle was a bonus due to the loose ends of the contract situation.

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6/1/2025  8:07 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:I refuse to watch Josh Hart again with a key role. I'm sick of him producing ****ing dick when it comes time for meaningful playoff basketball

I wish we could flip him for IQ. I think another team that needs a starter would trade a legit sixth man for him. I want Lou William or Jamal Crawford (post Knicks)

Hart can't do it. In fact, all he does is dribble the ball into the teeth of a decent teams' defense


Hart is extremely skilled with passing and taking it strong to the hoop. Elite at it. Rebounding too, but that's a diff story. Hart needs a SYSTEM where he could pick his spots and have a defined role. Same for Bridges. He would be amazing in a system. Towns too, the system can be built around his passing and driving. And then we would have Jalen's ISO as a fall back option late on the clock. Instead of it being the only option, after having dribbled the clock out....
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6/1/2025  8:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/1/2025  8:08 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:I refuse to watch Josh Hart again with a key role. I'm sick of him producing ****ing dick when it comes time for meaningful playoff basketball

I wish we could flip him for IQ. I think another team that needs a starter would trade a legit sixth man for him. I want Lou William or Jamal Crawford (post Knicks)

Hart can't do it. In fact, all he does is dribble the ball into the teeth of a decent teams' defense

Think of it completely flipped: Josh Hart was never meant to be a starter for the Knicks but he was forced to and stepped up big time until the tail end of the playoffs. Like, literally he was GOLD all year all things considered.

That’s how good of a bench player he was and how good the Knicks managed around that all season.

I don’t think that’s too far off from reality.

Josh tried to play over his head some in the ECF but if he played like this while coming off bench all year, he is considered best in league at exactly his role as 6th man. Where he should have been.

And that’s how good he was.

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6/1/2025  8:25 PM
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SupremeCommander wrote:I refuse to watch Josh Hart again with a key role. I'm sick of him producing ****ing dick when it comes time for meaningful playoff basketball

I wish we could flip him for IQ. I think another team that needs a starter would trade a legit sixth man for him. I want Lou William or Jamal Crawford (post Knicks)

Hart can't do it. In fact, all he does is dribble the ball into the teeth of a decent teams' defense


Hart is extremely skilled with passing and taking it strong to the hoop. Elite at it. Rebounding too, but that's a diff story. Hart needs a SYSTEM where he could pick his spots and have a defined role. Same for Bridges. He would be amazing in a system. Towns too, the system can be built around his passing and driving. And then we would have Jalen's ISO as a fall back option late on the clock. Instead of it being the only option, after having dribbled the clock out....

Hart is NOT extremely skilled as a passer -- not in any way, shape or form. He's a piss poor decision maker #1 which instantly eliminates him from great passer status. Think back to how many passes he thru into the 4th row of the stands this year.

He was a guy who was given heavy minutes and heavy on ball time - he had some high assist games --- he's a poor decision maker with the ball and a less than good passer.

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6/1/2025  8:27 PM
NYStateOfMind wrote:Thought that last night during the game, especially Burks would have helped this series.

houston20 wrote:I would try to bring back Burks and bojan bogdanvic we missed those guys badly.

Burks played well against the pacers last year, and thought we missed bojan bogdanvic three point shooting badly.

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6/1/2025  8:29 PM
martin wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:I refuse to watch Josh Hart again with a key role. I'm sick of him producing ****ing dick when it comes time for meaningful playoff basketball

I wish we could flip him for IQ. I think another team that needs a starter would trade a legit sixth man for him. I want Lou William or Jamal Crawford (post Knicks)

Hart can't do it. In fact, all he does is dribble the ball into the teeth of a decent teams' defense

Think of it completely flipped: Josh Hart was never meant to be a starter for the Knicks but he was forced to and stepped up big time until the tail end of the playoffs. Like, literally he was GOLD all year all things considered.

That’s how good of a bench player he was and how good the Knicks managed around that all season.

I don’t think that’s too far off from reality.

Josh tried to play over his head some in the ECF but if he played like this while coming off bench all year, he is considered best in league at exactly his role as 6th man. Where he should have been.

And that’s how good he was.

I don't think we need a bench player that 1) can't shoot and 2) doesn't defend 3) makes poor decisions over and over --- I don't think he's a valuable piece.

I'd like to buy into the thought he's a great clubhouse guy but I don't think he works particularly hard off the court and his habit of pointing at his teammates every time he makes a piss poor play irritates the hell out of me.

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6/1/2025  8:30 PM
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ramtour420 wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:I refuse to watch Josh Hart again with a key role. I'm sick of him producing ****ing dick when it comes time for meaningful playoff basketball

I wish we could flip him for IQ. I think another team that needs a starter would trade a legit sixth man for him. I want Lou William or Jamal Crawford (post Knicks)

Hart can't do it. In fact, all he does is dribble the ball into the teeth of a decent teams' defense


Hart is extremely skilled with passing and taking it strong to the hoop. Elite at it. Rebounding too, but that's a diff story. Hart needs a SYSTEM where he could pick his spots and have a defined role. Same for Bridges. He would be amazing in a system. Towns too, the system can be built around his passing and driving. And then we would have Jalen's ISO as a fall back option late on the clock. Instead of it being the only option, after having dribbled the clock out....

Hart is NOT extremely skilled as a passer -- not in any way, shape or form. He's a piss poor decision maker #1 which instantly eliminates him from great passer status. Think back to how many passes he thru into the 4th row of the stands this year.

He was a guy who was given heavy minutes and heavy on ball time - he had some high assist games --- he's a poor decision maker with the ball and a less than good passer.

I think the Knicks should trade hart for pj Washington there no place for Washington on the roster because of cooper Flagg coming in.

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6/1/2025  8:37 PM
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martin wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:I refuse to watch Josh Hart again with a key role. I'm sick of him producing ****ing dick when it comes time for meaningful playoff basketball

I wish we could flip him for IQ. I think another team that needs a starter would trade a legit sixth man for him. I want Lou William or Jamal Crawford (post Knicks)

Hart can't do it. In fact, all he does is dribble the ball into the teeth of a decent teams' defense

Think of it completely flipped: Josh Hart was never meant to be a starter for the Knicks but he was forced to and stepped up big time until the tail end of the playoffs. Like, literally he was GOLD all year all things considered.

That’s how good of a bench player he was and how good the Knicks managed around that all season.

I don’t think that’s too far off from reality.

Josh tried to play over his head some in the ECF but if he played like this while coming off bench all year, he is considered best in league at exactly his role as 6th man. Where he should have been.

And that’s how good he was.

I don't think we need a bench player that 1) can't shoot and 2) doesn't defend 3) makes poor decisions over and over --- I don't think he's a valuable piece.

I'd like to buy into the thought he's a great clubhouse guy but I don't think he works particularly hard off the court and his habit of pointing at his teammates every time he makes a piss poor play irritates the hell out of me.

That’s a particularly bonkers take IMO

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6/1/2025  8:46 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:I refuse to watch Josh Hart again with a key role. I'm sick of him producing ****ing dick when it comes time for meaningful playoff basketball

I wish we could flip him for IQ. I think another team that needs a starter would trade a legit sixth man for him. I want Lou William or Jamal Crawford (post Knicks)

Hart can't do it. In fact, all he does is dribble the ball into the teeth of a decent teams' defense

I feel like we are really being a little bit unfair. Josh Hart has had massive playoff series for us. He hit game winners against CLE and the series winner against PHI. He had a bad series against Indy and Thibs infatuation with him makes him a questionable piece going forward. But damn we are erasing like years of work from this guy based on one series.

I’ve been seeing similar talk about KAT like he didn’t product huge numbers throughout the playoffs and have massive games at critical moments. He had a bad game 6 and people saying he can’t perform when it matters. But he had a great game 5 which was an elimination game too lol. Just seems illogical some of this stuff.

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6/1/2025  8:51 PM
I’m old enough to remember these .. Josh saved our ass in games 1 and while Jalen had two awful games and then closed out the series with a shot just as good as Jalen’s against DET.

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6/1/2025  8:54 PM
Towns had 20 points in 6 minutes in the 4th quarter on the road to save us from going down 0-3 and also prevented us from potentially losing in round 1 with insane clutch buckets and after a bad game 6 everyone saying he can’t perform under the lights lol

Just seems wild to me. Both guys have questionable fits here long term but they are both gamers.

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6/1/2025  8:57 PM
Every playoff game in meaningful because if you don’t win the early ones you don’t even make the next ones. Definitely seems if we lost to Boston in 7 and didn’t go up 2-0 everyone would be way more content with these guys. But we beat them and then they have a bad follow up series and everything before it just gets erased like it never happened and they don’t perform in the playoffs.
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6/1/2025  9:11 PM
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6/1/2025  10:34 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:I refuse to watch Josh Hart again with a key role. I'm sick of him producing ****ing dick when it comes time for meaningful playoff basketball

I wish we could flip him for IQ. I think another team that needs a starter would trade a legit sixth man for him. I want Lou William or Jamal Crawford (post Knicks)

Hart can't do it. In fact, all he does is dribble the ball into the teeth of a decent teams' defense


I’m with you 100% on this. Hart’s role has surpassed his skill set.

He either takes the next step (corner/elbow 3’s) or relinquish the role.

Can’t watch another season of defender 5 feet away from him and he doesn’t shoot. No other team has this issue with such an important role. Don’t coddle this man.

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