LivingLegend wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:I doubt they would sell low on Mitch and I don’t see takers at a reasonable return until he shows he can stay on the court. And with IHart possibly gone I don’t see the FO letting go of Mitch.

You may be right on the not selling low on Mitch part --- I do think though we have plenty of assets to package with Mitch to maybe either move up in draft and or target another vet maybe at another position.

Mitch really is a no for me -- zero offense, defense is solid but overrated (IMO) and he's ALWAYS injured/unavailable.

Only quibble I have here is I do think Mitch can positively and heavily impact a game. But his health, offense, and goddamn free throw shooting are not in his favor. Really like the guy though.

KnickDanger wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:I doubt they would sell low on Mitch and I don’t see takers at a reasonable return until he shows he can stay on the court. And with IHart possibly gone I don’t see the FO letting go of Mitch.

You may be right on the not selling low on Mitch part --- I do think though we have plenty of assets to package with Mitch to maybe either move up in draft and or target another vet maybe at another position.

Mitch really is a no for me -- zero offense, defense is solid but overrated (IMO) and he's ALWAYS injured/unavailable.

Only quibble I have here is I do think Mitch can positively and heavily impact a game. But his health, offense, and goddamn free throw shooting are not in his favor. Really like the guy though.

Mitch has shown he can impact a whole playoff series. As well, that he can do solid things against the likes of Embiid.

What is that worth to a playoff team?

VDesai wrote:If you think you can teach Edey to rim protect with his 7'4" frame, then trading the two picks up for Edey could make a lot of sense as your center hedge. He is a great offensive rebounder and has great hands and touch inside and I think off the pick and roll he can get into the paints and score with the jump hook

Edey would be in contention to be the #1 overall pick if this draft was 20 years ago. He does present offensive skills in the paint and from 10 feet in and would be a post presence on D as well as offensive rebounding threat. His biggest issue would be that he is fairly slow footed and likely will have some trouble on defensive rotations out of the paint with the speed of NBA compared to college. Edey also benefitted from whistles while at Purdue. He was able to draw a lot of fouls against lesser
players - not sure if that will carry forward as well in the NBA. On the upside - he seems like a really hard worker who wants to continue to get better and has worked to continue to develop and expand his game and production every year in college.

Philc1 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

VDesai wrote:If you think you can teach Edey to rim protect with his 7'4" frame, then trading the two picks up for Edey could make a lot of sense as your center hedge. He is a great offensive rebounder and has great hands and touch inside and I think off the pick and roll he can get into the paints and score with the jump hook

Edey would be in contention to be the #1 overall pick if this draft was 20 years ago. He does present offensive skills in the paint and from 10 feet in and would be a post presence on D as well as offensive rebounding threat. His biggest issue would be that he is fairly slow footed and likely will have some trouble on defensive rotations out of the paint with the speed of NBA compared to college. Edey also benefitted from whistles while at Purdue. He was able to draw a lot of fouls against lesser
players - not sure if that will carry forward as well in the NBA. On the upside - he seems like a really hard worker who wants to continue to get better and has worked to continue to develop and expand his game and production every year in college.

I don’t think Edey would have been good even in the 90’s when it was a league dominated by big men. He’s not a skilled player the guy literally did nothing in college except dunk over 6’1 skinny guys

Edey finished with 37 points and 10 rebounds while matched against projected lottery pick Donovan Clingan in the championship game.
He was named the Wooden Award recipient, capping off an award season that saw him win all six major National Player of the Year honors, becoming the first player in over 50 years to win unanimous National Player of the Year accolades in consecutive seasons.

Im not going to predict his pro career as boom or bust but I won't demonstrate ignorance that his college play was that discounted.
We all know those awards are not predictors of future success but "Literally did nothing in college except dunk over 6'1 guys" is pretty much a dumb comment.

newyorknewyork wrote:

martin wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:This will be an unpopular route. But for the sake of discussion and covering all angles.

Knicks trade Mitch & #25 to Memphis for #9 & #38
Knicks draft Flipkowski at #9
Knicks draft Ron Ron Holmes at #24
Knicks trade #38 & #39 for #31
Knicks draft Ryan Dunn at #31
Knicks don't match IHart's contract offer in FA.
Knicks resign OG
Knicks extend Brunson

Flipkowski/Holmes/Simms
Randle/Annunoby/Holmes/Dunn
Annunoby/Bojan/Hart/Dunn
Donte/Hart/Deuce
Brunson/Deuce/Vet min

The idea is to actually utilize the draft and the rookie scale contracts to build a team 10 deep that in 2-3 years will be Finals contender ready while still being under the first apron. While all these other teams start getting smacked by the taxes. Have potentially 4 first in 2025 to utilize for the Bojan upgrade to find a go to feature for the 2nd unit that the rest could play off of. As well as land the 3rd PG & 3rd C.

No team lets a value guy just walk and there is no way realistically the Knicks would let iHart go anywhere. They are going to offer him HIS max and be done with it, it's that simple a decision for the Knicks IMHO.

As well, the team is built around rim protection, so you will need to keep that in place. I don't think Flip is good enough for the Knicks but how about Clingan? And would he be there around #9?

My thought is that the Knicks LOVE Mitch at his salary level, no matter the injury - give or take - right now. You are giving up a potential All NBA defensive guy for the #9 in a weak draft; you'd better be Kawhi level certain when you give up George Hill.

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I have no idea how to value these center prospects in this draft. I only named Flipkowski because a scouting report had IHart as his NBA comparison.

The thought process is more so if the rumors are true and the Thunder offer IHart a deal the Knicks can't match. Then using Mitch to then jump up in the draft to net a long term core player that will be on a rookie scale contract for the next 4 years that can be molded into a 2-way threat that fits this core. With Bojan also expiring the following season the Knicks would have ended up saving close to like $50mil in salary. If they replace them with quality draft pick pieces then they would be 10 deep and under the first apron. Wont be many teams in the league matching up with that.

I believe Mitch's defense is elevated by Thibs coaching. I think Thibs can turn a lot of physically athletic bigs into monsters defensively. The thing is can we utilize Mitch as a piece that nets us a 2-way big at the draft? And can we net another high motor athletic defensive player in the Mitch style as a replacement? Or maybe even another 2-way big. DaRon Holmes has that potential imo, Taj Gibson ESQ. That player you brought up Bona look like the goods as well.

YOu make good points. Filipowski looks to be a more polished offensive player than iHart. Not to say Isiah had his wings clipped a bit in NY regarding his offensive touches and what he does. Its getting him paid by doing less but doing it with excellence. The passing and the rim protection with a great motor created the situation where he outplayed his contract and our abilty to pay him.

It took isiah a few years and 5 teams to get to this level. Drafting a kid to replace him and mitch is a very tall order given we are in "win now" mode.
Or so it seems.

Its reasonable to try to replicate what we had as a successful formula but there are other avenues and players we can pursue.
Easier to type than list. Drafting a kid like Filpowski could be one. Maybe doing a sign and trade for Valachunas is another. Send mitch to Nola. Does not address his health issues but they get him for a player that might be walking for two years on a great contract. If healthy next to Zion they will hurt teams.
"If"......big one.

Read Thunder could give isiah a big number for two years which makes sense as they too will have cap issues at some point resigning players.
Other teams have cap room but they also have bigs? Detroit is one that comes up.

I have a lot of faith in this FO to not do stupid things. They have proven themselves smarter than us fans the last few years. Maybe moving on from some players is scary for fans but we have learned that winning removes the fear!!!!

So, with that information, it would be safe to assume that he would be willing to take a lesser contract if it means reaching personal happiness or he's a west coast and wanted to stay there by any means (cost)

Nalod wrote:

Rookie wrote:Is it time to revisit a Dejounte Murray trade if it would take mostly picks to get it done? His matching salary would be 25M in the 2024/25 season. I think we would realistically need to include Bogdanovic and let iHart walk which is likely happening anyway.

INteresting move which I suppose moves DDV to the bench.

Basically your letting the starting center and your back up 4 go for Murray.
Im not against him per se but I have to figure OG is good for 65 or so games, and we need a back up 3 and 4.
Championship aspirations require depth. There is no cure for overcoming the injuries we experienced last year and contending.
We got slammed. If it happens again then its not meant to be.

I'm not denying Murray isn't a talent. But I terms of fit, I Donte's high frequency three point shooting is a better fit for the roster that Murray's midrange mastery. We have enough evidence in Atlanta to show that a Murray/JB backcourt would be rough. Heck, there were rumors in San Antonio about a Murray/Derrick White rift.

BigDaddyG wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Rookie wrote:Is it time to revisit a Dejounte Murray trade if it would take mostly picks to get it done? His matching salary would be 25M in the 2024/25 season. I think we would realistically need to include Bogdanovic and let iHart walk which is likely happening anyway.

INteresting move which I suppose moves DDV to the bench.

Basically your letting the starting center and your back up 4 go for Murray.
Im not against him per se but I have to figure OG is good for 65 or so games, and we need a back up 3 and 4.
Championship aspirations require depth. There is no cure for overcoming the injuries we experienced last year and contending.
We got slammed. If it happens again then its not meant to be.

I'm not denying Murray isn't a talent. But I terms of fit, I Donte's high frequency three point shooting is a better fit for the roster that Murray's midrange mastery. We have enough evidence in Atlanta to show that a Murray/JB backcourt would be rough. Heck, there were rumors in San Antonio about a Murray/Derrick White rift.

It would be a luxury to have another ball handling guard who can score when teams are picking Brunson up full court and fouling the crap out of him. That’s where I’m coming from