Welpee wrote:Did anyone notice when DSJ was replaced by Frank late in the game during a timeout, DSJ got up from the seat to let Frank sit down in the huddle and displayed a bit of an attitude? The glass half full angle is he's a competitor and never wants to come out, the glass half empty angle is that he's a baby and was more worried about minutes than winning the game.

I'm ready to move on from DSJ. I don't think it's gonna happen for him...at least not here.

I saw that as well. I think that's the point where he realized he slipped off whatever rope he had left.
He's a dilemma. And he needs a place to go to either remember the game or find a profession or trade (like maybe plumber).

The true misfortune of this game was that it had to have burst whatever illusions Thibs had that Miller didn't do more with this team (the bodies remain largely interchangeable from last year) and that Thibs could do better.

Hahn, in his car ride home FB chat, was shaken at how bad this game looked (preseason and all). But he also talked about how Minny fans were warning him that the pattern with Thibs is big hustle early and then a tuning out. Thibs has to cut bait early or the same dysfunction that plagued Fizz will swallow Thibs.

Rose needs to move DSJ anywhere but here quickly. Randall's bags should be packed and in his trunk as well.

And this game speaks to why resigning Miller to a bench position would have been smart. Thibs is learning what Miller had to learn and that's a slow learning curve when nobody wants your players.

Welpee wrote:Did anyone notice when DSJ was replaced by Frank late in the game during a timeout, DSJ got up from the seat to let Frank sit down in the huddle and displayed a bit of an attitude? The glass half full angle is he's a competitor and never wants to come out, the glass half empty angle is that he's a baby and was more worried about minutes than winning the game.

I'm ready to move on from DSJ. I don't think it's gonna happen for him...at least not here.

I did not catch that. I can imagine he is frustrated with himself and disappointed. I had a friend who played Pro Hockey in Germany and in the USA in the minors. Played a bit at the AHL level but really never had a chance. He said at that level your just a few shifts away from being called up to the NHL and the competition on the team is very intense. Some guys had the contracts, some did not. They were killing each other. ONce he got “Demoted” and went to Germany, then to the level below AHL he really enjoyed himself, started playing better than ever. He got into coaching. Dennis is in a bad spot today. His chance is slipping and once. You lose that spot it gets harder and harder.

Last yer we read how great Mudiay was on Utah. Right? He gone. UFA. Poof. Nothing. Had a great summer run in the playoffs. Right now he is outside looking in. 7th pick. He did everything right too the last few years. Dennis was touted as potentially the top pick in the NBA draft. Now he is toast??

wargames wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

Welpee wrote:Did anyone notice when DSJ was replaced by Frank late in the game during a timeout, DSJ got up from the seat to let Frank sit down in the huddle and displayed a bit of an attitude? The glass half full angle is he's a competitor and never wants to come out, the glass half empty angle is that he's a baby and was more worried about minutes than winning the game.

I'm ready to move on from DSJ. I don't think it's gonna happen for him...at least not here.

I saw that as well. I think that's the point where he realized he slipped off whatever rope he had left.
He's a dilemma. And he needs a place to go to either remember the game or find a profession or trade (like maybe plumber).

The true misfortune of this game was that it had to have burst whatever illusions Thibs had that Miller didn't do more with this team (the bodies remain largely interchangeable from last year) and that Thibs could do better.

Hahn, in his car ride home FB chat, was shaken at how bad this game looked (preseason and all). But he also talked about how Minny fans were warning him that the pattern with Thibs is big hustle early and then a tuning out. Thibs has to cut bait early or the same dysfunction that plagued Fizz will swallow Thibs.

Rose needs to move DSJ anywhere but here quickly. Randall's bags should be packed and in his trunk as well.

And this game speaks to why resigning Miller to a bench position would have been smart. Thibs is learning what Miller had to learn and that's a slow learning curve when nobody wants your players.

You are absolutely right.

We don’t have a good PG! All Casey did was have his team do a zone defense and double the ball handler and the offense was stymied. Like it’s insane how the Knicks never get a good PG. it’s always PF’s and Centers.

I'm not quite this cynical. I think what's wrong and what has pushed all of our panic buttons is that someone (maybe Rose, maybe Thibs, maybe Kentucky groupthink) is advocating for the redemption of DSJ and Randle.

Unfortunately, in doing so, all of the other china pieces we have assembled in young players are tightly coupled to that experiment. And so, when DSJ is being handed first PG off the bench duty everybody with eyes and a brain goes into convulsions watching the thing.

What are we watching? Well, to begin with, yet another narrative being sold by the NBA that DSJ deserves a "chance" after (violin music) his rough past year. He has worked on his shot yet again with someone who knows where the basket is - he is physically more gifted than anybody on the team - ignore his innumerable deficiencies because in just twenty games or so he'll be tradeable... and so on.

The trouble is that his deficiencies haven't changed. His shot is no better than it was last year. He has bought into the idea of positionless basketball so much that he no longer knows how to play PG. It's a train-wreck.

Why are we convulsing? We've seen this movie before. We've seen these previews before. We watch Ntilikina yet again sit on the bench as if he's the problem. And when Ntilikina isn't on the floor, Quickley doesn't get on the floor.

It's not that we don't have superior PG candidates, its that only after 20 losses do they get a F'n break.

And there's so much Kentucky homerism that Dotson wasn't resigned. I'm homesick for NY.

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Uptown wrote:

martin wrote:Man, I know it's early but I don't see too much of a difference in DSJr, Mitch, Knox. And Mitch holy crap with some of those fouls

Knox plays too fast and Dennis plays too slow...Knox is always in a rush and never lets the game come to him. On one of his air-balls, his feet wasn't even set before he launched one up. Dennis is thinking way too much. In his 4th year, this shouldn't be a problem...

Dennis spent the entirety of his high school and 1 year at college physically dominating players and never had to really learn the game. And now it's almost too late

absolutely my biggest fear. i can't think of the last time he blew past someone --it's been that long. It's not like he's driving hard to hoop, collapsing D and drawing (or trying to draw) a foul. Instead he dribbles slowly at the top and then dumps. i have seen him lose a guy on a cut and that sort of thing but that's different.

also responding to some other posts on Randle. For whatever it's worth i have not seen him attempt his spinover move. yes i have seen him try to take coast to coast but have not seen that drive into a double team, only to spin into a triple team. So maybe someone told him to stop and he's listened. No i still don't like Randle but if he dropped that dumb move i want to give credit where it's due

Randle has developed the ability to lose the ball without a spin move that much is true. And unlike DSJ, he is a placeholder on the floor who gives Obie time to develop his game and teamwork.

But in that last game NY cut a 14 point lead to like 4 points. Time for Randall to close that gap! I still have no idea WTF was going on there but Randall suddenly became a basketball lawyer of some kind who, had there been a God, should have gotten his ass thrown out of the game.

But no.

He's still a Knick in a timezone that feels like dog years.