Brian Scalabrine on watching the Knicks around the second quarter... "All we heard about was how the Knicks were going to speed it up, run, and defend full court - I'm seeing none of that here."

At the third quarter when the fans are chanting for Frank... "I think Frank is a stud yet he can't get on the court in this building."

Fourth quarter, "You know in the off season talk is cheap. The good thing about the NBA is that during the season you're held accountable."

HofstraBBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

Uptown wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Uptown wrote:Knick fans can be embarrassingly fickle..I remember when they were booing Ewing ( NO IM NOT COMPARING EWING AND DSJ) but dude does have NY across his chest. No need for the chants...and we wonder why a lot of athletes dont want to play here.

I think its more directed at Fizdale

Not sure. Frank has a Lin like hysteria about him despite not having much success as an nba player.

True

That’s an exaggeration.

People like Frank’s defense and believe he still has potential.

Fiz not playing him while Smith Jr plays so poorly only adds to the controversy.

Uptown and crush like fizz and dsj

They were fooled IMO

Also, a bit shocked at the passion guys have for Frank. Would love for him to play well and be a rotation player but I don't think his struggles are because of the two coaches he has had. He hasn't been a very good nba player

As knick fans arent we suppose to have passion for our young players and want them to succeed?

Absolutely. But I think you have been a fan for a long time. DSJR is a young player. Trier is a young player. RJ is a young player. Frank averaged 20 minutes a game last year. It's obvious Fiz did not like what he saw or has seen in practice from him. IMO, and I think you have been watching for many years, there is nothing wrong with having young guys ride the pine and learn until they have the confidence and skills to play. Last year was different. We had no one that could play. They obviously made a decision to go a different direction this year. Think the thing we have to fight through is the adjustment period for a new cast of players.

i get that. The problem there is no structure....that scares me. I fully understand new players need time to gel. The problem is when you let players just run ISO all game it creates bad possessions. But he will keep playing guys who are having bad nights like the nets game. Look i have supported Fizdale and feel the players play hard for him. HOWEVER he hasnt shown much structure for his team, i think you need to be an X's and O's coach too. As for Frank im not demanding he play 20 minutes. But at least use him for defensive purposes and certain points. Riding the pine all the time doesnt help especially when the kid knows if he makes one mistake he is benched for 3 games lol

True. Keep in mind that when the Big three played their first year in Miami they looked like crap. We don't have anyone close to that caliber.

And again, DSJR is a young player who is getting a chance and one that has shown much more than Frank in his first two years. So what your advocating for Frank is what Fiz is doing with Dennis yet you have an issue with it. Going by your position above, you would think you would be questioning why Smith only got 5 minutes and 11 minutes in the last 2 games.

Anyway lets hope they all get better and Frank gets to contribute. Its Saturday night so back to having some fun. Have a good night man.

Knicksfan wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

Uptown wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Uptown wrote:Knick fans can be embarrassingly fickle..I remember when they were booing Ewing ( NO IM NOT COMPARING EWING AND DSJ) but dude does have NY across his chest. No need for the chants...and we wonder why a lot of athletes dont want to play here.

I think its more directed at Fizdale

Not sure. Frank has a Lin like hysteria about him despite not having much success as an nba player.

True

That’s an exaggeration.

People like Frank’s defense and believe he still has potential.

Fiz not playing him while Smith Jr plays so poorly only adds to the controversy.

It's only been 3 games of an 82 game season. Frank's time will come shortly. Smith has a ton of potential and the coach is trying to tap into it. Clearly Smith is pressing, and after today's performance, Frank's time may be sooner rather than later. Smith had some really good games for us last year so the potential is there....

This is Fiz’s second year with the team.

He has 9 new players on a 15 man roster. His continuity guys are second and third year players. Of the six guys the Knicks kept, only Trier and Dot are over age 21. Only Frank and Dot have been with the team for three years.

Yeah, lack of continuity is the reason he admittedly didn’t have a game plan Pat year and so far shows none in year 2.

respectfully, those are two different issues. Lots of new players is a problem to cohesion and execution. Too be expected with lots of new players, and that issue is on the FO for being largely clueless about how they would build the team, or if not clueless unrealistic thinking Superman FAs would save the team

Lack of any offensive game plan is a different issue and on the coach. He could have tried to run one last year and out ****ty roster would have made a ton of mistakes, but those who remained would have a better sense of what the plan is

this is also why Frank gets no burn. Fizz is hoping for a pg or whoever is handling the ball to create some pressure and disruption and the team to score in the resulting chaos. That is totally not Frank's game. Frank has issue on offense for sure but he's not the guy who will ever collapse a defense.

not attacking Kyrie last night (all night long but especially with 5 fouls) shows Fizz is clueless
Not giving Frank some burn to slow down Kemba tonight (11/17) shows he is not a head coach

give the keys to someone else.

NYKBocker wrote:Listening to DSJr post game interview. Man. I feel bad for him.

NYKBocker wrote:Listening to DSJr post game interview. Man. I feel bad for him.

CrushAlot wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Listening to DSJr post game interview. Man. I feel bad for him.

That was a bad look for the fans booing him. He was already deep in his own head. The kid is only 21.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

fwk00 wrote:I watched the Boston broadcast.

Brian Scalabrine on watching the Knicks around the second quarter... "All we heard about was how the Knicks were going to speed it up, run, and defend full court - I'm seeing none of that here."

At the third quarter when the fans are chanting for Frank... "I think Frank is a stud yet he can't get on the court in this building."

Fourth quarter, "You know in the off season talk is cheap. The good thing about the NBA is that during the season you're held accountable."

Exactly my point earlier. TALK IS CHEAP. DO it.

Today in the post game - Fiz complains about giving up 72 points in the 2nd half - yet Frank didnt play. Kemba went off. Who showed that he can guard him? Frank.

Fiz talks about accountability yet does not act.

Randle is taking to Smart - Smart was coaching - Fiz is talking out his ass.

Morris should have been bechned in the first half. He did worse there than Frank in game 1. Yet Morris just plays. I like Morris but he is a meat head.

fwk00 wrote:I watched the Boston broadcast.

Brian Scalabrine on watching the Knicks around the second quarter... "All we heard about was how the Knicks were going to speed it up, run, and defend full court - I'm seeing none of that here."

At the third quarter when the fans are chanting for Frank... "I think Frank is a stud yet he can't get on the court in this building."

Fourth quarter, "You know in the off season talk is cheap. The good thing about the NBA is that during the season you're held accountable."

Yes I heard all of that too. (live in Boston)

Was quite clear the players wanted to humiliate the Knicks by 30 in the Knicks home opener. Stevens had the good sense to slow things down some

I also thought Scalabrine was being genuine when he referred to Frank that way

After the gsme the post game analysts essentially said we sucked tonight, except that our rebounding kept us in the game. Personally i didn't agree with that, but it showed how little respect we get

Chandler wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

Uptown wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Uptown wrote:Knick fans can be embarrassingly fickle..I remember when they were booing Ewing ( NO IM NOT COMPARING EWING AND DSJ) but dude does have NY across his chest. No need for the chants...and we wonder why a lot of athletes dont want to play here.

I think its more directed at Fizdale

Not sure. Frank has a Lin like hysteria about him despite not having much success as an nba player.

True

That’s an exaggeration.

People like Frank’s defense and believe he still has potential.

Fiz not playing him while Smith Jr plays so poorly only adds to the controversy.

It's only been 3 games of an 82 game season. Frank's time will come shortly. Smith has a ton of potential and the coach is trying to tap into it. Clearly Smith is pressing, and after today's performance, Frank's time may be sooner rather than later. Smith had some really good games for us last year so the potential is there....

This is Fiz’s second year with the team.

He has 9 new players on a 15 man roster. His continuity guys are second and third year players. Of the six guys the Knicks kept, only Trier and Dot are over age 21. Only Frank and Dot have been with the team for three years.

Yeah, lack of continuity is the reason he admittedly didn’t have a game plan Pat year and so far shows none in year 2.

respectfully, those are two different issues. Lots of new players is a problem to cohesion and execution. Too be expected with lots of new players, and that issue is on the FO for being largely clueless about how they would build the team, or if not clueless unrealistic thinking Superman FAs would save the team

Lack of any offensive game plan is a different issue and on the coach. He could have tried to run one last year and out ****ty roster would have made a ton of mistakes, but those who remained would have a better sense of what the plan is

this is also why Frank gets no burn. Fizz is hoping for a pg or whoever is handling the ball to create some pressure and disruption and the team to score in the resulting chaos. That is totally not Frank's game. Frank has issue on offense for sure but he's not the guy who will ever collapse a defense.

not attacking Kyrie last night (all night long but especially with 5 fouls) shows Fizz is clueless
Not giving Frank some burn to slow down Kemba tonight (11/17) shows he is not a head coach

give the keys to someone else.

On the issue of cohesion and execution. Take this for what its worth.

Look, the best way to manage a complex issue is to simplify the parts. Let me suggest the following. We signed Payton and we had Frankie and DSJ as bonafide PG candidates. Trier and others are more combo guards. Its obvious DSJ is not physically right.

At the PG position, just play the hand you're dealt - some combination of a healthy Payton, Frank, DSJ. If you need to dig deeper go with a combo guard.

Now you have only four other decisions.

At center, MR and Portis or Gibson. No brainer.

AT PF, we bought into Randle - lots of second unit choices.

SF may be the most hotly contested position Morris, Knox, RJ, Dotson, Trier...

We've also bought into RJ at the two. Second unit choices abound. But Dotson has to be high in the second unit discussion, IMO.

What Fizz is doing by monkeying around at PG is creating chaos. Payton/Frank are virtual look-alikes. That means *everyone* else knows what to expect. How is that not a good thing? Now it can be argued they aren't the be-all/end-all solution but they are what we have. If DSJ is playing a superior game then by all means exercise that instead - BUT he's not.

So what we get is inconsequential contention for three quarters and a meltdown when it counts. Fool's gold.

As for offensive planning, I just don't understand how Fizdale could watch tonight's game evaporate before his eyes with NO counter action. None.

HUMILIATING.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Listening to DSJr post game interview. Man. I feel bad for him.

That was a bad look for the fans booing him. He was already deep in his own head. The kid is only 21.

i think it was really Fiz they were booing honestly

Chandler wrote:

CleaverGreene wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

Uptown wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Uptown wrote:Knick fans can be embarrassingly fickle..I remember when they were booing Ewing ( NO IM NOT COMPARING EWING AND DSJ) but dude does have NY across his chest. No need for the chants...and we wonder why a lot of athletes dont want to play here.

I think its more directed at Fizdale

Not sure. Frank has a Lin like hysteria about him despite not having much success as an nba player.

True

That’s an exaggeration.

People like Frank’s defense and believe he still has potential.

Fiz not playing him while Smith Jr plays so poorly only adds to the controversy.

It's only been 3 games of an 82 game season. Frank's time will come shortly. Smith has a ton of potential and the coach is trying to tap into it. Clearly Smith is pressing, and after today's performance, Frank's time may be sooner rather than later. Smith had some really good games for us last year so the potential is there....

I want BOTH to succeed. Im not saying they should play 25-30 minutes but we need to see what we have. I think Dennis is hurt and i feel bad for him because he is being forced to play through it. The Frank situation is just ridiculous. Whether you like frank or not him wasting on the bench for all but 18 seconds is doing no one any favors

One issue...playing Frank only a few minutes per game will probably hurt him more than it helps him, because he ll be pressured to over-perform in the short time he plays, and even be more hesitant because he'll be playing not to make a mistake.

We also have an offense with limited off the ball movement...not a good fit for Frank.

He played well with the French team because he knows his role, seems to be respected by their coaches, and they play more of a team game on offense, something we don't do on the Knicks.

I don't agree with this thinking at all. Frank at this point needs a defined role. I will accept that he is not starting pg especially for this team. But a good coach would find plenty of opportunities for him to defend at points: see, e.g., Smart, Beverley, Bowen He should have been guarding Kyrie late last night. He should have been guarding Kemba at points tonight

He could then build from that success. Putting him in a game and expecting him to be electric is unrealistic Putting him to guard SFs is not having him play to his strengths

We need a new coach

He needs guaranteed minutes...at least 15 MPG, and he shouldn't have to worry about making mistakes.

Again, the problem on offense is that our "system," if you can call it that, is not a good fit for Frank.