fwk00 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

TPercy wrote:I don't get why people keep citing kyrie before Lebron arrived. If anyone is paying attention to the finals he is a different player now and is clearly the most unstoppable guard in the league. We need to get this deal done.

Why do we need to get this deal done again?

Whats the alternative? Hope and pray that Frank can be three quarters of the player Kyrie is at this point? Odds are against us drafting a player of Kyries callibre...

Tell me why again Kyrie is a fit in a rebuild team? Oh, yeah, well let's chuck that rebuild in the trash can so that we can recreate the same scenario we've had for the last fifteen years.

We already drafted a player who will eclipse Kyrie's talent level in Nitty. We also have a Phil Jackson/Mills/Gaines designed team that will grow together and become next-generation contenders rather than this-generation wannabes.

Wish Kyrie well somewhere else.

Rebuild? We just overpaid for a 25 yr old FA. Does he fit the rebuild? If so, why wont Kyrie who is also 25 and is a champion and is one of the most electric scorers in the league. A player other teams have to gameplan for. Kyrie is the type of talent we can only hope and wish we can draft nxt yr or the yr after and the odds are against it.

Highly unlikely that Frank will turn out to be as good as Kyrie. If he turns out to be half the playet kyrie is we will celebrate...phil is in montana, thank god, so im not sure why you are still attaching hom to this franchise. We just hired a new GM...

During the press conference they said they want young, athletic players...Kyrie checks those boxes and then some...

newyorknewyork wrote:

Uptown wrote:

martin wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

VCoug wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

VCoug wrote:

SocraticBallin22 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

SocraticBallin22 wrote:

VCoug wrote:Kyrie is super overrated. He scores points well but doesn't do anything else of value. I'd trade for him if it means we don't give up KP, WHG, Ntilikina, or future firsts; I'm sure we could turn around and trade him for a nice draft pick haul. But no way I'm giving up any of our best assets for him.

I guess you failed to watch the playoffs last year and the Finals where he looked like the best player on the court.

I saw, though I never thought he looked better than Lebron. I also don't let the small sample size of a single postseason override everything else he's done. How did he look in this year's postseason; at any point did he look like the best player on the court? Did you know that this past season, the Cavs were -120 in 635 minutes with Kyrie on the court and Lebron off?

I've seen enough of a sample size in his career through the eye test to know: 1) He's a franchise player 2) He's top 3 pg in the NBA right now 3) He's the best ball handler in the NBA 4) He's ice water clutch

And he is only 25 and wants to come here. His best b-ball is ahead of him, not behind him.

If you're eye test tells you Kyrie is a better PG than Chris Paul, Westbrook, or Curry than you need to get your eyes checked.

This is classic dumb starfukk by the Knicks in the making. So much for emphasis on defense, same **** different dumbass.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. This is the same kind of move we've been making since Isiah Thomas took over; guy who puts up a bunch of points but doesn't do anything else. Doesn't make his teammates better and doesn't play any defense. The only reason I'd even trade for Kyrie is to flip him for picks/young talent and we're talking about trading picks/young talent for him!

I'm team VCoug when it comes to Kyrie. He's not just an empty stat guy; he's a not-too-bright (believes the world is flat), empty stat guy that we'd be asking to quarterback our offense. I'm tempted to not even want him at his salary, let alone giving up blue chip assets to get him. I think he'd have a similar effect to what Rose had this season i.e. not good.

not to mention.... he started to NOT want to be on team last year and then made it formal this year. 3 Straight years in the finals, probably a 4th coming up and he wants off team. WTF

Maybe he anticipates Lebron leaving and wants out now before hes stuck in another rebuild.

Word is that his beef IS with Lebron.

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Uptown wrote:

martin wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

VCoug wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

VCoug wrote:

SocraticBallin22 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

SocraticBallin22 wrote:

VCoug wrote:Kyrie is super overrated. He scores points well but doesn't do anything else of value. I'd trade for him if it means we don't give up KP, WHG, Ntilikina, or future firsts; I'm sure we could turn around and trade him for a nice draft pick haul. But no way I'm giving up any of our best assets for him.

I guess you failed to watch the playoffs last year and the Finals where he looked like the best player on the court.

I saw, though I never thought he looked better than Lebron. I also don't let the small sample size of a single postseason override everything else he's done. How did he look in this year's postseason; at any point did he look like the best player on the court? Did you know that this past season, the Cavs were -120 in 635 minutes with Kyrie on the court and Lebron off?

I've seen enough of a sample size in his career through the eye test to know: 1) He's a franchise player 2) He's top 3 pg in the NBA right now 3) He's the best ball handler in the NBA 4) He's ice water clutch

And he is only 25 and wants to come here. His best b-ball is ahead of him, not behind him.

If you're eye test tells you Kyrie is a better PG than Chris Paul, Westbrook, or Curry than you need to get your eyes checked.

This is classic dumb starfukk by the Knicks in the making. So much for emphasis on defense, same **** different dumbass.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. This is the same kind of move we've been making since Isiah Thomas took over; guy who puts up a bunch of points but doesn't do anything else. Doesn't make his teammates better and doesn't play any defense. The only reason I'd even trade for Kyrie is to flip him for picks/young talent and we're talking about trading picks/young talent for him!

I'm team VCoug when it comes to Kyrie. He's not just an empty stat guy; he's a not-too-bright (believes the world is flat), empty stat guy that we'd be asking to quarterback our offense. I'm tempted to not even want him at his salary, let alone giving up blue chip assets to get him. I think he'd have a similar effect to what Rose had this season i.e. not good.

not to mention.... he started to NOT want to be on team last year and then made it formal this year. 3 Straight years in the finals, probably a 4th coming up and he wants off team. WTF

Maybe he anticipates Lebron leaving and wants out now before hes stuck in another rebuild.

Word is that his beef IS with Lebron.

I don't think he wants to be around for Gilbert after LeBron leaves. He could be the man in a year in Cleveland.

Then why is he throwing Lebron under the bus?

GustavBahler wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:You guys are funny:

Sign Hardaway: Yeah, lets go full rebuild over time! Keep all draft picks!

Dennis Smith Jr. shines: Frank is awesome because he plays D. He will rule!

Kyrie demands trade: Give them all! Frank and picks! Kyrie doesn't do D but, he is star! Give!

SMH not really a fan of this. We are a franchise in need of a rebuild for years. Frank represents that: allowing a player grow up with us. Now Kyrie demands a trade because he wants to be the man (btw, Porzingis?) and we should go ALL IN? If he was good on D, I would agree. But thats not the case and the trade demand alone sets the alarms on for Kyrie and his priorities.

I define "all in" as giving up KP. In the past we didnt have young players to build around, mostly retreads. We can afford to give up a draft pick(s) at this time. Even with his D, Irving is one of the best PGs in the league, and in his prime. Dont believe Frank will ever be on the same level as Kyrie, as a PG.

Funny how the narrative with Frank changes with the players related to him.

Since it would hurt to think we missed the boat on Dennis Smith Jr., there its all about Frank being a winner.

Now Kyrie is available and people doubt Frank will ever become something like him? Simply to justify another starpuch move (albeit a young one)?

Knicksfan wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:You guys are funny:

Sign Hardaway: Yeah, lets go full rebuild over time! Keep all draft picks!

Dennis Smith Jr. shines: Frank is awesome because he plays D. He will rule!

Kyrie demands trade: Give them all! Frank and picks! Kyrie doesn't do D but, he is star! Give!

SMH not really a fan of this. We are a franchise in need of a rebuild for years. Frank represents that: allowing a player grow up with us. Now Kyrie demands a trade because he wants to be the man (btw, Porzingis?) and we should go ALL IN? If he was good on D, I would agree. But thats not the case and the trade demand alone sets the alarms on for Kyrie and his priorities.

I define "all in" as giving up KP. In the past we didnt have young players to build around, mostly retreads. We can afford to give up a draft pick(s) at this time. Even with his D, Irving is one of the best PGs in the league, and in his prime. Dont believe Frank will ever be on the same level as Kyrie, as a PG.

Funny how the narrative with Frank changes with the players related to him.

Since it would hurt to think we missed the boat on Dennis Smith Jr., there its all about Frank being a winner.

Now Kyrie is available and people doubt Frank will ever become something like him? Simply to justify another starpuch move (albeit a young one)?

newyorknewyork wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Uptown wrote:

martin wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

VCoug wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

VCoug wrote:

SocraticBallin22 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

SocraticBallin22 wrote:

VCoug wrote:Kyrie is super overrated. He scores points well but doesn't do anything else of value. I'd trade for him if it means we don't give up KP, WHG, Ntilikina, or future firsts; I'm sure we could turn around and trade him for a nice draft pick haul. But no way I'm giving up any of our best assets for him.

I guess you failed to watch the playoffs last year and the Finals where he looked like the best player on the court.

I saw, though I never thought he looked better than Lebron. I also don't let the small sample size of a single postseason override everything else he's done. How did he look in this year's postseason; at any point did he look like the best player on the court? Did you know that this past season, the Cavs were -120 in 635 minutes with Kyrie on the court and Lebron off?

I've seen enough of a sample size in his career through the eye test to know: 1) He's a franchise player 2) He's top 3 pg in the NBA right now 3) He's the best ball handler in the NBA 4) He's ice water clutch

And he is only 25 and wants to come here. His best b-ball is ahead of him, not behind him.

If you're eye test tells you Kyrie is a better PG than Chris Paul, Westbrook, or Curry than you need to get your eyes checked.

This is classic dumb starfukk by the Knicks in the making. So much for emphasis on defense, same **** different dumbass.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. This is the same kind of move we've been making since Isiah Thomas took over; guy who puts up a bunch of points but doesn't do anything else. Doesn't make his teammates better and doesn't play any defense. The only reason I'd even trade for Kyrie is to flip him for picks/young talent and we're talking about trading picks/young talent for him!

I'm team VCoug when it comes to Kyrie. He's not just an empty stat guy; he's a not-too-bright (believes the world is flat), empty stat guy that we'd be asking to quarterback our offense. I'm tempted to not even want him at his salary, let alone giving up blue chip assets to get him. I think he'd have a similar effect to what Rose had this season i.e. not good.

not to mention.... he started to NOT want to be on team last year and then made it formal this year. 3 Straight years in the finals, probably a 4th coming up and he wants off team. WTF

Maybe he anticipates Lebron leaving and wants out now before hes stuck in another rebuild.

Word is that his beef IS with Lebron.

I don't think he wants to be around for Gilbert after LeBron leaves. He could be the man in a year in Cleveland.

Then why is he throwing Lebron under the bus?

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TPercy wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

TPercy wrote:I don't get why people keep citing kyrie before Lebron arrived. If anyone is paying attention to the finals he is a different player now and is clearly the most unstoppable guard in the league. We need to get this deal done.

He's the most unstoppable player in the sense that he either stops the opponent or stops his own team with a 6 for 20, 2 assist game. Kyrie is a good player - no doubt - but not a great one. The only thing that's meaningfully different from when he first entered the league is scoring volume.

His advanced numbers come playoffs says a different story.

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Uptown wrote:

martin wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

VCoug wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

VCoug wrote:

SocraticBallin22 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

SocraticBallin22 wrote:

VCoug wrote:Kyrie is super overrated. He scores points well but doesn't do anything else of value. I'd trade for him if it means we don't give up KP, WHG, Ntilikina, or future firsts; I'm sure we could turn around and trade him for a nice draft pick haul. But no way I'm giving up any of our best assets for him.

I guess you failed to watch the playoffs last year and the Finals where he looked like the best player on the court.

I saw, though I never thought he looked better than Lebron. I also don't let the small sample size of a single postseason override everything else he's done. How did he look in this year's postseason; at any point did he look like the best player on the court? Did you know that this past season, the Cavs were -120 in 635 minutes with Kyrie on the court and Lebron off?

I've seen enough of a sample size in his career through the eye test to know: 1) He's a franchise player 2) He's top 3 pg in the NBA right now 3) He's the best ball handler in the NBA 4) He's ice water clutch

And he is only 25 and wants to come here. His best b-ball is ahead of him, not behind him.

If you're eye test tells you Kyrie is a better PG than Chris Paul, Westbrook, or Curry than you need to get your eyes checked.

This is classic dumb starfukk by the Knicks in the making. So much for emphasis on defense, same **** different dumbass.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. This is the same kind of move we've been making since Isiah Thomas took over; guy who puts up a bunch of points but doesn't do anything else. Doesn't make his teammates better and doesn't play any defense. The only reason I'd even trade for Kyrie is to flip him for picks/young talent and we're talking about trading picks/young talent for him!

I'm team VCoug when it comes to Kyrie. He's not just an empty stat guy; he's a not-too-bright (believes the world is flat), empty stat guy that we'd be asking to quarterback our offense. I'm tempted to not even want him at his salary, let alone giving up blue chip assets to get him. I think he'd have a similar effect to what Rose had this season i.e. not good.

not to mention.... he started to NOT want to be on team last year and then made it formal this year. 3 Straight years in the finals, probably a 4th coming up and he wants off team. WTF

Maybe he anticipates Lebron leaving and wants out now before hes stuck in another rebuild.

Word is that his beef IS with Lebron.

I don't think he wants to be around for Gilbert after LeBron leaves. He could be the man in a year in Cleveland.

Then why is he throwing Lebron under the bus?

Has he thrown him under the bus. I haven't heard or read anything from him but I could have missed it. I saw this on twitter though. Apparently he said it last month.

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On the radio last night. Known Cleveland beat writer who's name I don't remember (Griffith something)stated that he talked with Irving personally after the finals. Said something along the lines of Irving was getting mentorship from Kobe. As he didn't want his own selfishness to ruin the Lebron & Irving run and possibly leave chips on the table. The way it did with Shaq and Kobe. That Irving was determined not to let that happen. Now 2 months later he wants out to be his own man and away from Lebrons shadow.

All the beat writers have been pushing this same narrative. Claiming that he wants out due to Lebron eventually leaving has been a made up narrative within my mind. But is not the narrative that the beat writers have been claiming.

reub wrote:LeBron wouldn't tolerate Melo's lazy ass defense and selfish offense. Cleveland is not for Melo.

I think melo is much better with Lebron.

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

reub wrote:LeBron wouldn't tolerate Melo's lazy ass defense and selfish offense. Cleveland is not for Melo.

I think melo is much better with Lebron.

He would be amazing.