nyknickzingis wrote:Even if by some miracle we made the playoffs Rose and Melo would see it as a way to showcase their brand and you'd see us be swiftly swept.

In a way it's good this is happening. Just like that miserable 17 win season led us to KP. This train wreck could lead us to a better place.

Two things though. One is we must move Rose. He is toxic to KPs development. Jennings is a much better stop gap or short term solution. Two Melo needs to move on. Love Melos love for Knicks and NY but enough is enough. Trade time.

As I said earlier where are all the highlights of Rose to KP or Melo to KP??? There's something wrong if you're Offense doesn't create TONS of great plays involving the top 3 players!!!

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nixluva wrote:KP ONLY HAD 10 SHOTS TONIGHT. That is a failure of this offense if he's not FEATURED EARLY AND OFTEN!!! I'm seeing all kinds of bad offense and a lack of purpose to what this team does.

They don't effectively use the talent they have to its max. We don't have do everything possible to help make KP successful. Teams should have to run a gauntlet to get at KP all game. How is it we don't see highlight videos of all the great Rose to KP plays!!!

Rose was starting to find KP more a few weeks ago. But KP looks like he's injured again. He looks gassed whenever he's out there. I guess it's the achilles? KP doesn't look right. He was like floating through the game, not playing hard. Don't blame the offense.

I'm definitely blaming the offense cuz I'm looking at the lack of set actions that involve the best players on the team!!! You won't have to look long for Duncan and Parker highlights over their career and really any combo of PG and PF/C THIS TALENTED should produce TONS of great offense every game. So WHERE IS IT???

nyknickzingis wrote:Even if by some miracle we made the playoffs Rose and Melo would see it as a way to showcase their brand and you'd see us be swiftly swept.

In a way it's good this is happening. Just like that miserable 17 win season led us to KP. This train wreck could lead us to a better place.

Two things though. One is we must move Rose. He is toxic to KPs development. Jennings is a much better stop gap or short term solution. Two Melo needs to move on. Love Melos love for Knicks and NY but enough is enough. Trade time.

We are stuck as a franchise so long as Melo and Rose are Knicks. Melo should go somewhere he can play as a stretch 4 where he has fanatic defence around him. Many contenders could use him. I genuinely want good things for Melo because unlike Rose I know he's a legit leader and truly tried to right the NY ship.

fwk00 wrote:I saw this comment on realgm; "how much can a fanbase suffer?"

Being a Knicks fan really helps me understand what Job went through.

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Even if by some miracle we made the playoffs Rose and Melo would see it as a way to showcase their brand and you'd see us be swiftly swept.

In a way it's good this is happening. Just like that miserable 17 win season led us to KP. This train wreck could lead us to a better place.

Two things though. One is we must move Rose. He is toxic to KPs development. Jennings is a much better stop gap or short term solution. Two Melo needs to move on. Love Melos love for Knicks and NY but enough is enough. Trade time.

We are stuck as a franchise so long as Melo and Rose are Knicks. Melo should go somewhere he can play as a stretch 4 where he has fanatic defence around him. Many contenders could use him. I genuinely want good things for Melo because unlike Rose I know he's a legit leader and truly tried to right the NY ship.

I don't agree with the 'showcase their brand' statement but I am not sure what has happened to the offense. The increase in their running the triangle is frustrating. I am concerned that Jeff isn't coaching the team with autonomy anymore.

I was expecting Jeff to coach this team his way! I thought they'd progressively move away from the Triangle as the season went along but they've INCREASED the %. What's worse tho is that none of the offense seriously involves the top players working off of each other.

When they do get into a two man game they play LIKE STRANGERS!!! There's almost ZERO CHEMISTRY between either Melo, Rose or KP!!! By now they should know each other's game and be making great plays. Even the once great chemistry between BJ and KP has disappeared!!! WTF???

nyknickzingis wrote:We don't run much Triangle. What happens is we often stop running the offense to go 1 on 1. Clyde mentions it all the time. I'd be happy if we ran the Triangle, would mean the team actually ran an offense. Instead it's too much 1 on 1.

I'm afraid I have to correct you they are in fact running Triangle but it's HORRIBLE TRIANGLE. I can point out exactly what I'm talking about when I get a chance tomorrow. But TRUST ME THEY'RE RUNNING TRIANGLE.

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Even if by some miracle we made the playoffs Rose and Melo would see it as a way to showcase their brand and you'd see us be swiftly swept.

In a way it's good this is happening. Just like that miserable 17 win season led us to KP. This train wreck could lead us to a better place.

Two things though. One is we must move Rose. He is toxic to KPs development. Jennings is a much better stop gap or short term solution. Two Melo needs to move on. Love Melos love for Knicks and NY but enough is enough. Trade time.

We are stuck as a franchise so long as Melo and Rose are Knicks. Melo should go somewhere he can play as a stretch 4 where he has fanatic defence around him. Many contenders could use him. I genuinely want good things for Melo because unlike Rose I know he's a legit leader and truly tried to right the NY ship.

I don't agree with the 'showcase their brand' statement but I am not sure what has happened to the offense. The increase in their running the triangle is frustrating. I am concerned that Jeff isn't coaching the team with autonomy anymore.

I was expecting Jeff to coach this team his way! I thought they'd progressively move away from the Triangle as the season went along but they've INCREASED the %. What's worse tho is that none of the offense seriously involves the top players working off of each other.

When they do get into a two man game they play LIKE STRANGERS!!! There's almost ZERO CHEMISTRY between either Melo, Rose or KP!!! By now they should know each other's game and be making great plays. Even the once great chemistry between BJ and KP has disappeared!!! WTF???

Nix do you think it is Phil/Rambis pushing the triangle and the crappy defense?

I think it's EXACTLY THAT Phil and Rambis have convinced Jeff the answer to the team's problems on offense is to run more Triangle. The problem is that this poor version of Triangle doesn't have the depth or commitment to it. You saw KOQ and Lee run it to perfection on a few possessions but when Rose and Melo are both in there you end up with just a series of ISO or one on one looks out of the Triangle.

They don't run any of the KP Drag Screens or Curls with a Down Screen for KP to get a catch and shootin rhythm!!! All the beautiful back cuts are gone! That's why I said we need LESS Triangle with this group. Earlier in the year they were much more free flowing and effective with more PnR but I think Phil and Rambis have pushed more Triangle!

You might think after the bottom, there is no way but up. Well, the Knicks have shown to be good at one thing: digging themselves deeper into chaos.