arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:For some perspective, the host Marc Lamont Hill threw out some statistics that put a sobering spin on the conversation: Since 2001, about 2,000 American service men and women have died in Afghanistan; in that same time period, 5,000 people have died in Chicago.

Yet the nation doesn’t appear to even realize how bad thing have gotten in Chicago—at the same time as the murder rate has fallen precipitously in other big cities like New York and Los Angeles. And the numbers continue to go up. As of the end of July, homicides in the city were up about 27 percent and in the first quarter of 2012 the number of murders had jumped 60 percent over 2011.

As Hill pointed out, most of those being killed are young African-American males—who are also most of those doing the killing.

At some point--just like an alcoholic--you need to understand you have a problem that isnt caused by anybody else. These issues are caused by drugs lack of quality human character brought on by violent surroundings and a huge lack of education /life vision. This problem is only getting worse--the bottom line is AA from the inner cities need to change course and take responsibility--stop blaming the police or another race. I really do believe if Trump came in with sweeping immigration reforms concentrated police efforts on gang violence and rebuilding urban infrastructure--there would be a start to a different path. Stop blaming others and start doing what is right. And I fully understand I can sound like a real dck for saying it like this--but just like a friend who is in trouble--I say this in the same light.

Yes you do sound like a dyck!!! You're oversimplifying the situation. Who is it that forced the African Americans into the living conditions they're living in Chicago? Decades of Redlinig so that Black people were packed into Ghettoes with bad schools and no jobs. The guns, drugs and gangs are the symptoms and not the cause of the problem. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?

Trump ain't gonna do ISH if he became President. It's naive to think he seriously would direct resources into these areas! He's never done anything in his entire life that would suggest Trump gives two flips about Black People!!!

I'm so tired of people accusing oppressed AA's of being to blame. Redlinig was done TOO THEM! Last hired/first fired is a reality forced on Black People. Predatory lending was done TOO THEM! This leads to a lower Tax Base and Rundown schools!!! This is what leads to drugs, guns and crime! They didn't create these circumstances! Black people fled the Jim Crow South to look for a better life and they got the shaft in the North too. They faced racism and riots because they were considered a threat to white workers. Please learn your history before you comment like this.

Read this and learn something about Redlining:

http://beltmag.com/the-legacy-of-redlining-in-rust-belt-cities/

nixluva--what the past is is the past---The problem is now and the future. Thats what needs to be helped. Crying about the past doesnt do anything

Here's a nice project for you. Why don't you do some research and find a time period in the U.S. where Blacks did as well as Whites in this country. When their schools were equal. When their treatment by law enforcement was equal. When their employment was equal. If you do find something how long did that last? What's it like to be Black today? What do the statistics say?

I agree that we need to be concerned about the present and the future. But "crying about the past" is very much necessary. If everyone in your family was wronged for 258 years like mine and your 94 yr old Grandmother and 70 yr old Father were still alive, how do you think you would feel about forgetting the past? Ask a Jewish family if they should just forget the past. See if they aren't vigilant in trying to make sure they aren't harmed again in any way.

Trump and the Republican Party have nothing to offer minorities in this country. They don't even know how to talk to them without insulting them. That's why the majority of minorities vote Democratic. Your belief that Trump would have the answers is hard to back up with anything concrete. It's all talk.

I disagree with Nix a lot but have to agree on this.
Nations who do not remember their past have no future.
And nations who not learned from their past have no life.
But to move forward people need also learn on other cultures past.
To replicate success and avoid failures.
Jews learned that violence, crime, and aggression ruined the greatest nations of the world.
But education, science, arts, family, piece, and compassion help civilization make greatest strides forward.
The battle for African American people future will not be won on the streets and government offices.
It can be won only in the harts and minds of black people.
You should forgive but not forget.
You should give and not take.
You should help but not ask for help.
Then you will regain the proud which makes ALL of us human and make All lives matter.

I have to say that it annoys me that there is this assumption that African Americans haven't ALWAYS been working to better their circumstances in this country. IF YOU KNEW THE FULL STORY then you would not speak in the way that you have. Please go and learn about what African Americans have been doing the entire history of this country to work to make this country live up to the high ideals of it's Constitution.

More than any other people it's been the constant fight of African Americans for equal rights and fair treatment that have helped this country to escape it's hypocritical posture as a country. What did we get for all of the mostly PEACEFUL protest and Pleadings for equal justice and existence in this country? For the most part what we got was violence and lower class status.

From 1619 thru to 1965 the laws and actions in this country were at odds with the ideals of the Constitution. Even after 1965 how long did it take for the treatment of African Americans to more fully take hold? Did it EVER reach equality??? I was born in 1965 and I can tell you that there has been no time in this country where things have been just and equal in this country. Not for Native Americans, Hispanics or African Americans. Because we are visibly easy to identify and as minorities, easy to ignore and mistreat. It's not about AA's not working hard and trying to improve their circumstances!!!

Just as an example of what happened to AA efforts to succeed in this country, please go to this website and read what kind of things happened in this country to set AA's back every time they started to finally succeed. This is just one of many such tragedies. Look at the pictures and the video and perhaps you can imagine what it's been like here for AA's in this country trying to do what everyone else wants to do in bettering themselves.

http://sfbayview.com/2011/02/what-happened-to-black-wall-street-on-june-1-1921/

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:For some perspective, the host Marc Lamont Hill threw out some statistics that put a sobering spin on the conversation: Since 2001, about 2,000 American service men and women have died in Afghanistan; in that same time period, 5,000 people have died in Chicago.

Yet the nation doesn’t appear to even realize how bad thing have gotten in Chicago—at the same time as the murder rate has fallen precipitously in other big cities like New York and Los Angeles. And the numbers continue to go up. As of the end of July, homicides in the city were up about 27 percent and in the first quarter of 2012 the number of murders had jumped 60 percent over 2011.

As Hill pointed out, most of those being killed are young African-American males—who are also most of those doing the killing.

At some point--just like an alcoholic--you need to understand you have a problem that isnt caused by anybody else. These issues are caused by drugs lack of quality human character brought on by violent surroundings and a huge lack of education /life vision. This problem is only getting worse--the bottom line is AA from the inner cities need to change course and take responsibility--stop blaming the police or another race. I really do believe if Trump came in with sweeping immigration reforms concentrated police efforts on gang violence and rebuilding urban infrastructure--there would be a start to a different path. Stop blaming others and start doing what is right. And I fully understand I can sound like a real dck for saying it like this--but just like a friend who is in trouble--I say this in the same light.

Yes you do sound like a dyck!!! You're oversimplifying the situation. Who is it that forced the African Americans into the living conditions they're living in Chicago? Decades of Redlinig so that Black people were packed into Ghettoes with bad schools and no jobs. The guns, drugs and gangs are the symptoms and not the cause of the problem. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?

Trump ain't gonna do ISH if he became President. It's naive to think he seriously would direct resources into these areas! He's never done anything in his entire life that would suggest Trump gives two flips about Black People!!!

I'm so tired of people accusing oppressed AA's of being to blame. Redlinig was done TOO THEM! Last hired/first fired is a reality forced on Black People. Predatory lending was done TOO THEM! This leads to a lower Tax Base and Rundown schools!!! This is what leads to drugs, guns and crime! They didn't create these circumstances! Black people fled the Jim Crow South to look for a better life and they got the shaft in the North too. They faced racism and riots because they were considered a threat to white workers. Please learn your history before you comment like this.

Read this and learn something about Redlining:

http://beltmag.com/the-legacy-of-redlining-in-rust-belt-cities/

nixluva--what the past is is the past---The problem is now and the future. Thats what needs to be helped. Crying about the past doesnt do anything

Here's a nice project for you. Why don't you do some research and find a time period in the U.S. where Blacks did as well as Whites in this country. When their schools were equal. When their treatment by law enforcement was equal. When their employment was equal. If you do find something how long did that last? What's it like to be Black today? What do the statistics say?

I agree that we need to be concerned about the present and the future. But "crying about the past" is very much necessary. If everyone in your family was wronged for 258 years like mine and your 94 yr old Grandmother and 70 yr old Father were still alive, how do you think you would feel about forgetting the past? Ask a Jewish family if they should just forget the past. See if they aren't vigilant in trying to make sure they aren't harmed again in any way.

Trump and the Republican Party have nothing to offer minorities in this country. They don't even know how to talk to them without insulting them. That's why the majority of minorities vote Democratic. Your belief that Trump would have the answers is hard to back up with anything concrete. It's all talk.

I disagree with Nix a lot but have to agree on this.
Nations who do not remember their past have no future.
And nations who not learned from their past have no life.
But to move forward people need also learn on other cultures past.
To replicate success and avoid failures.
Jews learned that violence, crime, and aggression ruined the greatest nations of the world.
But education, science, arts, family, piece, and compassion help civilization make greatest strides forward.
The battle for African American people future will not be won on the streets and government offices.
It can be won only in the harts and minds of black people.
You should forgive but not forget.
You should give and not take.
You should help but not ask for help.
Then you will regain the proud which makes ALL of us human and make All lives matter.

I have to say that it annoys me that there is this assumption that African Americans haven't ALWAYS been working to better their circumstances in this country. IF YOU KNEW THE FULL STORY then you would not speak in the way that you have. Please go and learn about what African Americans have been doing the entire history of this country to work to make this country live up to the high ideals of it's Constitution.

More than any other people it's been the constant fight of African Americans for equal rights and fair treatment that have helped this country to escape it's hypocritical posture as a country. What did we get for all of the mostly PEACEFUL protest and Pleadings for equal justice and existence in this country? For the most part what we got was violence and lower class status.

From 1619 thru to 1965 the laws and actions in this country were at odds with the ideals of the Constitution. Even after 1965 how long did it take for the treatment of African Americans to more fully take hold? Did it EVER reach equality??? I was born in 1965 and I can tell you that there has been no time in this country where things have been just and equal in this country. Not for Native Americans, Hispanics or African Americans. Because we are visibly easy to identify and as minorities, easy to ignore and mistreat. It's not about AA's not working hard and trying to improve their circumstances!!!

Just as an example of what happened to AA efforts to succeed in this country, please go to this website and read what kind of things happened in this country to set AA's back every time they started to finally succeed. This is just one of many such tragedies. Look at the pictures and the video and perhaps you can imagine what it's been like here for AA's in this country trying to do what everyone else wants to do in bettering themselves.

http://sfbayview.com/2011/02/what-happened-to-black-wall-street-on-june-1-1921/

This is great and this how it should be done again and again.
Moses was roaming Jews through the desert until all who were born in slavery dies including him.
No Jew who was born slave should have reach the Promised Land.
It took 2 thousand years to get back second time around...
Patience people... your journey is just started.

holfresh wrote:Softball questions with no specifics for Trump..How about when the young lady asked about sexual assault in the military..How didn't Roger Ailes name not come up?

TRUMP: I know more than the Generals Obama has. I guess I would have different Generals. (WHAT?)

On Rape in the Military: Hey what do you expect to happen when you have Women fighting in the Military? We should've taken the OIL! You know you have to have a force behind to hold the oil and take it.

LOL what an ASS!!!

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:Softball questions with no specifics for Trump..How about when the young lady asked about sexual assault in the military..How didn't Roger Ailes name not come up?

TRUMP: I know more than the Generals Obama has. I guess I would have different Generals. (WHAT?)

On Rape in the Military: Hey what do you expect to happen when you have Women fighting in the Military? We should've taken the OIL! You know you have to have a force behind to hold the oil and take it.

LOL what an ASS!!!

nixluva wrote:Trump looked like a complete Know Nothing in this forum. It was embarrassing to watch him fumble around and not actually answer the questions. He's a lightweight and should not come anywhere near the presidency.

We have one candidate that belongs in a looney bin and another that belongs in jail.

nixluva wrote:

WP76 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Trump looked like a complete Know Nothing in this forum. It was embarrassing to watch him fumble around and not actually answer the questions. He's a lightweight and should not come anywhere near the presidency.

We have one candidate that belongs in a looney bin and another that belongs in jail.

That jail Line is LAME AS F! At least she's not a complete moron. She's actually shown she can grasp the many difficult subjects. If anyone votes for Trump after seeing this man totally embarrass himself on national TV, they need their head examined. He is a joke. In all my life I've never seen anything like him. I thought W was stupid but he looks like a genius next to Trump.

What's "lame as F" is your rationalizing criminal misconduct by the democratic presidential candidate.

I handled classified documents in the military for 30 years--during the final years as a senior military officer. The FBI report stated that she compromised at least eight Top Secret documents and at least 30 Secret documents. The fact of the matter is that had I compromised JUST ONE Top Secret document, I would have gone to jail and had I done the same thing with a Secret document my career would have been over.

Let me ask you this, when she's president (and she will be) what does she do when a military member or civil servant does the same thing she did? [I'm guessing it'll be similar to Bill Clinton firing generals for "extramarital improprieties."] Incredibly hypocritical by any standard, to say the very least. The FBI report documented her lies so please don't act as if they never happened.

Please also don't act as if Hillary Clinton isn't overwhelmingly flawed and only looks good in comparison to the goofball republican candidate.

WP76 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

WP76 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Trump looked like a complete Know Nothing in this forum. It was embarrassing to watch him fumble around and not actually answer the questions. He's a lightweight and should not come anywhere near the presidency.

We have one candidate that belongs in a looney bin and another that belongs in jail.

That jail Line is LAME AS F! At least she's not a complete moron. She's actually shown she can grasp the many difficult subjects. If anyone votes for Trump after seeing this man totally embarrass himself on national TV, they need their head examined. He is a joke. In all my life I've never seen anything like him. I thought W was stupid but he looks like a genius next to Trump.

What's "lame as F" is your rationalizing criminal misconduct by the democratic presidential candidate.

I handled classified documents in the military for 30 years--during the final years as a senior military officer. The FBI report stated that she compromised at least eight Top Secret documents and at least 30 Secret documents. The fact of the matter is that had I compromised JUST ONE Top Secret document, I would have gone to jail and had I done the same thing with a Secret document my career would have been over.

Let me ask you this, when she's president (and she will be) what does she do when a military member or civil servant does the same thing she did? [I'm guessing it'll be similar to Bill Clinton firing generals for "extramarital improprieties."] Incredibly hypocritical by any standard, to say the very least. The FBI report documented her lies so please don't act as if they never happened.

Please also don't act as if Hillary Clinton isn't overwhelmingly flawed and only looks good in comparison to the goofball republican candidate.

This is the best you've got? It's WEAK AS F!!! This is nothing but a distraction. Has nothing to do with policy or who gets to pick the Supreme Court Justices. Comparing Trumps lack of knowledge, lies, lack of temperament, law suits, cheating vendors who did work for him and flip flops to Hillary is laughable.

As for Top Secrect Documents THERE WERE NONE in her emails!!! You need to show proof of this claim. I saw no evidence of what you're claiming.

At his July 5 press conference, FBI Director James Comey said a “very small number” of emails sent and received by Hillary Clinton over her private server “bore markings indicating the presence of classified information” — contradicting Clinton’s claims that she “never received nor sent any material that was marked classified.”

But now we are learning more about those emails from Comey, who testified before the House Oversight Committee on July 7, and State Department spokesman John Kirby, who addressed these emails at press briefings on July 6 and 7:

Comey said three emails had “portion markings” on them indicating that they were classified, but they were not properly marked and therefore could have been missed by Clinton. He said the emails were marked as classified with the letter “C” in the body of the email.

Kirby said the State Department believes that at least two of the emails were mistakenly marked as confidential. He could not speak to the third email, saying ​the department didn’t have​ “all of the records and documents that the FBI used in their investigation.”

Comey told the committee he is “highly confident” that FBI investigators consulted with the State Department about the marked emails. But he said he did not know that the department believes that any of them were marked in error.

The issue is a bit complicated, but important, because it provides Clinton with a stronger defense against claims that she sent and received material that was marked as classified over her private server when she was secretary of state.

At a State Department briefing on July 6, Kirby addressed a report in the New York Times that Comey was “evidently referring to two emails that one of Mrs. Clinton’s close aides, Monica R. Hanley, sent to prepare her for telephone calls with foreign leaders.” The Times report was based on interviews with anonymous State Department officials.

New York Times, July 5: One email, dated Aug. 2, 2012, noted that Kofi Annan, the former secretary general of the United Nations, was stepping down as special envoy trying to mediate the war in Syria. A second one, sent in April 2012, discussed Mrs. Clinton’s call to the newly inaugurated president of Malawi.

Each was marked with a small notation, “(C),” indicating it contained information classified as “confidential.”

Other paragraphs in the note about Mr. Annan’s resignation were marked “(SBU),” for “sensitive but unclassified.” That designation appears in more than 1,000 of the 30,000 work-related emails that Mrs. Clinton turned over to the State Department, including some later “upgraded” to higher levels of classification. The official said that the notations were part of “a standard process” when preparing a phone call, which would be “confidential” until it occurred and then considered unclassified.

Kirby confirmed the Times report but then said it appears that in both instances the markings were the result of “human error” during the development of “call sheets,” which are memos that contain information that can be used when talking to foreign leaders. The department marks a portion of the call sheets as “confidential” — the lowest level of classified information — until the secretary makes a decision whether or not to call the foreign leaders. He explained that this is done to give the secretary time to make a decision and to avoid potential embarrassment if it turns out that the secretary decides not to call the foreign leader.

Kirby said based on the email traffic, it appears that Clinton had already made the decision to call then Malawi President Joyce Banda and Annan, so the “confidential” markings should have been removed when Hanley sent the emails. (He made his remarks at about the 12-minute mark.)

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/revisiting-clinton-and-classified-information/