crzymdups wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:That's because he is reactive and not proactive. At least he finally attempted to unite us with his last briefing instead of further dividing us. He has a tendency to flame fires without having all the facts. He manages to inject the same rhetoric every time which further divides us. No matter what the issue it is guns are always to blame and he refuses to acknowledge the world has a serious problem with radical terrorism. A whole lotta nothin until the next disaster he has to get back up there and address.

Wow.

There have been over 100,000 deaths by gun in this country since 20 children were executed by an assault rifle near my home town in Sandy Hook, CT in December 2012, less than four years ago. You could fill the largest stadium in the world with the dead Americans from gun violence in that time span.

How many deaths by radical terrorism?

An actual divisive force in this country is the NRA and gun manufacturers which profit off the deaths of American citizens and pays Congress to keep it that way.

You think we would need militarized police forces if it wasn't legal to buy AR-15 assault rifles and unlimited ammo? The police are scared, rightly so, they can be outgunned in many situations. But they're overreacting and shooting first far too often.

How exactly is Obama dividing people? Show me a quote of words he actually said.

You know what divides people? The racist rhetoric spewed by FOX news blaming Obama for problems that the GOP and Fox head Roger Ailes have a direct hand in perpetuating. FOX News is a disgusting blight on this country and their racist, toxic lies about Obama and basically anything else they can profit off lying about are ****ing disgusting.

How many of those 100,000 deaths were from registered guns vs illegal guns?

82% of guns in mass shootings are obtained legally. Thanks, NRA!

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/most-guns-mass-shootings-obtained-legally

I tried looking for the info on all gun shootings, but I couldn't find any site that wasn't a NRA funded bull**** think tank. Hard to find the actual stats. The NRA wants it that way.

But yea... lets blame the president.

Politicians are a disgrace in this country. Nothing but blame and no action. Guys like McCain saying things like "Obama is culpable for Orlando shooting by letting ISIS grow in the US"

Can we also blame Bush for every death in Iraq after taking us to war over weapons of mass destruction a straight up lie?

crzymdups wrote:

arkrud wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

misterearl wrote:“As a society, we choose to underinvest in decent schools. We allow poverty to fester so that entire neighborhoods offer no prospect for gainful employment. We refuse to fund drug treatment and mental health programs. We flood communities with so many guns that it is easier for a teenager to buy a Glock than get his hands on a computer or even a book. And then we tell the police, ‘You’re a social worker; you’re the parent; you’re the teacher; you’re the drug counselor.’ We tell them to keep those neighborhoods in check at all costs and do so without causing any political blowback or inconvenience; don’t make a mistake that might disturb our own peace of mind. And then we feign surprise when periodically the tensions boil over.”

- President Barack Obama

I'm going to miss our President. I hope he finds a way to stay engaged in the public sphere, he's the type of leader we need. (After that three month nap he's supposed to take at the end of his second term.)

I think he is taking a nap for last 6 years already.
Not sure how things get better at his watch.
Race relations are completely fall apart for sure...
With all due respect to his presentation skills his body of work as president is awful.

"I cannot give you the formula for success, but I can give you the formula for failure - which is: Try to please everybody"
Herbert Bayard Swope

I strongly disagree. If you think Obama created the institutionalized racism that is the problem in this country, I don't know what to tell you. Things aren't falling apart, people are finally talking about (and via Twitter and social media finally being made aware of) a problem that has existed since America was founded. Obama didn't create this situation and if you think it's on him to solve it, I'm not sure what to tell you. Obama is finally talking about this stuff. He's tried to do a lot more than he's been able to, because of the GOP congress that has been bought and sold and blocks any gun bill or economic bill or anything Obama tries to do. If you're blaming race relations in America on Obama we probably shouldn't even be talking about this though.

I am not blaming this on him but he was and is quite wishy-washy.
I understand that president has limits of his powers and Congress was not on his site lately.
But tell me what good he accomplished if anything?
I spoke with a lot of African Americans about his performance and most of them are really disappointed.

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:That's because he is reactive and not proactive. At least he finally attempted to unite us with his last briefing instead of further dividing us. He has a tendency to flame fires without having all the facts. He manages to inject the same rhetoric every time which further divides us. No matter what the issue it is guns are always to blame and he refuses to acknowledge the world has a serious problem with radical terrorism. A whole lotta nothin until the next disaster he has to get back up there and address.

Wow.

There have been over 100,000 deaths by gun in this country since 20 children were executed by an assault rifle near my home town in Sandy Hook, CT in December 2012, less than four years ago. You could fill the largest stadium in the world with the dead Americans from gun violence in that time span.

How many deaths by radical terrorism?

An actual divisive force in this country is the NRA and gun manufacturers which profit off the deaths of American citizens and pays Congress to keep it that way.

You think we would need militarized police forces if it wasn't legal to buy AR-15 assault rifles and unlimited ammo? The police are scared, rightly so, they can be outgunned in many situations. But they're overreacting and shooting first far too often.

How exactly is Obama dividing people? Show me a quote of words he actually said.

You know what divides people? The racist rhetoric spewed by FOX news blaming Obama for problems that the GOP and Fox head Roger Ailes have a direct hand in perpetuating. FOX News is a disgusting blight on this country and their racist, toxic lies about Obama and basically anything else they can profit off lying about are ****ing disgusting.

How many of those 100,000 deaths were from registered guns vs illegal guns?

82% of guns in mass shootings are obtained legally. Thanks, NRA!

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/most-guns-mass-shootings-obtained-legally

I tried looking for the info on all gun shootings, but I couldn't find any site that wasn't a NRA funded bull**** think tank. Hard to find the actual stats. The NRA wants it that way.

Obama - "I can put someone on the no fly list but I cant keep them from buying an automatic weapon."

But yea... lets blame the president.

Politicians are a disgrace in this country. Nothing but blame and no action. Guys like McCain saying things like "Obama is culpable for Orlando shooting by letting ISIS grow in the US"

Can we also blame Bush for every death in Iraq after taking us to war over weapons of mass destruction a straight up lie?

We absolutely have to blame Bush and his terrible presidency.
Mindless aggressive polices by Bush administration replaced by mindless passive by Obama administration.
Both parties are political bankrupts.
No leaders to look up to. And this presidents election even a bigger joke.
Selecting form bitch and clown... what a mockery....

arkrud wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:That's because he is reactive and not proactive. At least he finally attempted to unite us with his last briefing instead of further dividing us. He has a tendency to flame fires without having all the facts. He manages to inject the same rhetoric every time which further divides us. No matter what the issue it is guns are always to blame and he refuses to acknowledge the world has a serious problem with radical terrorism. A whole lotta nothin until the next disaster he has to get back up there and address.

Wow.

There have been over 100,000 deaths by gun in this country since 20 children were executed by an assault rifle near my home town in Sandy Hook, CT in December 2012, less than four years ago. You could fill the largest stadium in the world with the dead Americans from gun violence in that time span.

How many deaths by radical terrorism?

An actual divisive force in this country is the NRA and gun manufacturers which profit off the deaths of American citizens and pays Congress to keep it that way.

You think we would need militarized police forces if it wasn't legal to buy AR-15 assault rifles and unlimited ammo? The police are scared, rightly so, they can be outgunned in many situations. But they're overreacting and shooting first far too often.

How exactly is Obama dividing people? Show me a quote of words he actually said.

You know what divides people? The racist rhetoric spewed by FOX news blaming Obama for problems that the GOP and Fox head Roger Ailes have a direct hand in perpetuating. FOX News is a disgusting blight on this country and their racist, toxic lies about Obama and basically anything else they can profit off lying about are ****ing disgusting.

How many of those 100,000 deaths were from registered guns vs illegal guns?

82% of guns in mass shootings are obtained legally. Thanks, NRA!

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/most-guns-mass-shootings-obtained-legally

I tried looking for the info on all gun shootings, but I couldn't find any site that wasn't a NRA funded bull**** think tank. Hard to find the actual stats. The NRA wants it that way.

Obama - "I can put someone on the no fly list but I cant keep them from buying an automatic weapon."

But yea... lets blame the president.

Politicians are a disgrace in this country. Nothing but blame and no action. Guys like McCain saying things like "Obama is culpable for Orlando shooting by letting ISIS grow in the US"

Can we also blame Bush for every death in Iraq after taking us to war over weapons of mass destruction a straight up lie?

We absolutely have to blame Bush and his terrible presidency.
Mindless aggressive polices by Bush administration replaced by mindless passive by Obama administration.
Both parties are political bankrupts.
No leaders to look up to. And this presidents election even a bigger joke.
Selecting form bitch and clown... mockery.

You have to realize that Obama did do plenty. And at every single turn he was blocked by the GOP Congress. The GOP Congress who has voted down any gun reform law in this country. The GOP doesn't even want to perform terrorist background checks on people who buy automatic weapons. Why don't they want to? Because they are paid to vote that way by the gun lobby, made up of the NRA and gun manufacturers. Similar to the oil lobby who have paid the GOP to call coal a "a clean fuel".

The GOP is a mockery. Trump is the perfect clown candidate to represent them. But the real danger they pose is at the Congress level, where their obstructionist voting stops any real change from happening in this country. Again, the only reason they do this is to get rich from lobbyists. There are dirty politicians on the Democratic side, too, but nowhere near as bad. Just check the voting records in the Senate. It's an embarrassment. It's worse than an embarrassment, it should be called what it is - criminal negligence.

meloanyk wrote:President Obama has great oratory skills, intelligence and soul but he missed the opportunity over the years to directly challenge his own race to address their own failings. The reality is blacks have made no progress in educational achievement, job growth or cultural advancements during his presidency despite programs in place to assist. His election should have been a turning point for Black Americans but it has not been. Some will say that President Obama failed his race but I think the opposite happened, today's black culture failed him. President Obama did not have to deliver an idiotic Pastor Manning rant but he should have been more encompassing and challenging when addressing what plagues the black race. Society can and does assist but it's up to black people to retake their neighborhoods and share priorities that change the pipeline from school to prison to cradle to college. Some here may recall the Pound Cake speech that Bill Cosby delivered years ago to the NAACP. He was highly critical of black communities for their lack of parenting and responsibility, the prevalence of single parent families and incidental babies, frivolous ways at the expense of necessities and other behaviors such as ghetto vernacular instead of proper English. He cited present African Americans norms and culture as destructive to its own and the main drivers of wide gaps in achievement rather than discrimination,, policing or government policies. He made little excuse for the crimes of the incarcerated and lamented the absence of real black men of years past who were more accountable. He urged blacks to eschew their pathological embrace of victimization, violence and welfare and help themselves just like other minorities of race and color have done to advance. Now I realize, Cosby views will be minimized as a condescending Uncle Tom elitist especially after his rape allegations but he spoke out on self inflicted problems that should be in full discussions but are not because they are not politically correct or convenient. To my surprise, Bill Clinton of all people has recently touched the surface on them as well as black conservatives. I respected the integrity of President Obama but always found his direct addresses to be incomplete messages

If his message seems incomplete to you, maybe you aren't paying enough attention? He does what it seems like you want him to do, particularly when speaking to Black audiences — and it gets reported in the mainstream press. Cosby was talking to the NAACP, after all. Black folks do talk to each other in this way all the time.

"Obama Sharply Assails Absent Black Fathers"
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/16/us/politics/15cnd-obama.html?_r=0

"How the Obama Administration Talks to Black America"
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/05/how-the-obama-administration-talks-to-black-america/276015/

"To critics, Obama’s scolding tone with black audiences is getting old"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/to-critics-obamas-scolding-tone-with-black-audiences-is-getting-old/2013/05/20/4b267352-c191-11e2-bfdb-3886a561c1ff_story.html

"Obama Says Movements Like Black Lives Matter ‘Can’t Just Keep on Yelling’"
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/24/us/obama-says-movements-like-black-lives-matter-cant-just-keep-on-yelling.html
"Obama Calls Kanye West ‘Jackass’ Again"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/12/obama-kanye-west-jackass-_n_1420578.html

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And yes, lessons from a victimizer on how not to embrace victimization is pretty rich.

arkrud wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

arkrud wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:That's because he is reactive and not proactive. At least he finally attempted to unite us with his last briefing instead of further dividing us. He has a tendency to flame fires without having all the facts. He manages to inject the same rhetoric every time which further divides us. No matter what the issue it is guns are always to blame and he refuses to acknowledge the world has a serious problem with radical terrorism. A whole lotta nothin until the next disaster he has to get back up there and address.

Wow.

There have been over 100,000 deaths by gun in this country since 20 children were executed by an assault rifle near my home town in Sandy Hook, CT in December 2012, less than four years ago. You could fill the largest stadium in the world with the dead Americans from gun violence in that time span.

How many deaths by radical terrorism?

An actual divisive force in this country is the NRA and gun manufacturers which profit off the deaths of American citizens and pays Congress to keep it that way.

You think we would need militarized police forces if it wasn't legal to buy AR-15 assault rifles and unlimited ammo? The police are scared, rightly so, they can be outgunned in many situations. But they're overreacting and shooting first far too often.

How exactly is Obama dividing people? Show me a quote of words he actually said.

You know what divides people? The racist rhetoric spewed by FOX news blaming Obama for problems that the GOP and Fox head Roger Ailes have a direct hand in perpetuating. FOX News is a disgusting blight on this country and their racist, toxic lies about Obama and basically anything else they can profit off lying about are ****ing disgusting.

How many of those 100,000 deaths were from registered guns vs illegal guns?

82% of guns in mass shootings are obtained legally. Thanks, NRA!

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/most-guns-mass-shootings-obtained-legally

I tried looking for the info on all gun shootings, but I couldn't find any site that wasn't a NRA funded bull**** think tank. Hard to find the actual stats. The NRA wants it that way.

Obama - "I can put someone on the no fly list but I cant keep them from buying an automatic weapon."

But yea... lets blame the president.

Politicians are a disgrace in this country. Nothing but blame and no action. Guys like McCain saying things like "Obama is culpable for Orlando shooting by letting ISIS grow in the US"

Can we also blame Bush for every death in Iraq after taking us to war over weapons of mass destruction a straight up lie?

We absolutely have to blame Bush and his terrible presidency.
Mindless aggressive polices by Bush administration replaced by mindless passive by Obama administration.
Both parties are political bankrupts.
No leaders to look up to. And this presidents election even a bigger joke.
Selecting form bitch and clown... mockery.

You have to realize that Obama did do plenty. And at every single turn he was blocked by the GOP Congress. The GOP Congress who has voted down any gun reform law in this country. The GOP doesn't even want to perform terrorist background checks on people who buy automatic weapons. Why don't they want to? Because they are paid to vote that way by the gun lobby, made up of the NRA and gun manufacturers. Similar to the oil lobby who have paid the GOP to call coal a "a clean fuel".

The GOP is a mockery. Trump is the perfect clown candidate to represent them. But the real danger they pose is at the Congress level, where their obstructionist voting stops any real change from happening in this country. Again, the only reason they do this is to get rich from lobbyists. There are dirty politicians on the Democratic side, too, but nowhere near as bad. Just check the voting records in the Senate. It's an embarrassment. It's worse than an embarrassment, it should be called what it is - criminal negligence.

Plenty... meaning what specifically?
His job is to unite people and political parties around common goals to make good for the whole country.
The gun issues must be depoliticized.
If politics cannot come together on this it should be put on national referendum.
Absolute majority of US citizens will support background checks and mental checks requirements for gun ownership.
And it should be yearly re-qualification process to keep gun licenses valid.
It will require a lot of financing to implement and maintain but it worth it as it will save thousands of lives.
I want to see a comprehensive non-partisan plan on this from president and drive from him to put all population behind the plan to push it through the legislation.

So Obama's job is to make the GOP not an embarrassment to the country? Why doesn't the GOP pick itself up by its bootstraps?

arkrud wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

arkrud wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

arkrud wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:That's because he is reactive and not proactive. At least he finally attempted to unite us with his last briefing instead of further dividing us. He has a tendency to flame fires without having all the facts. He manages to inject the same rhetoric every time which further divides us. No matter what the issue it is guns are always to blame and he refuses to acknowledge the world has a serious problem with radical terrorism. A whole lotta nothin until the next disaster he has to get back up there and address.

Wow.

There have been over 100,000 deaths by gun in this country since 20 children were executed by an assault rifle near my home town in Sandy Hook, CT in December 2012, less than four years ago. You could fill the largest stadium in the world with the dead Americans from gun violence in that time span.

How many deaths by radical terrorism?

An actual divisive force in this country is the NRA and gun manufacturers which profit off the deaths of American citizens and pays Congress to keep it that way.

You think we would need militarized police forces if it wasn't legal to buy AR-15 assault rifles and unlimited ammo? The police are scared, rightly so, they can be outgunned in many situations. But they're overreacting and shooting first far too often.

How exactly is Obama dividing people? Show me a quote of words he actually said.

You know what divides people? The racist rhetoric spewed by FOX news blaming Obama for problems that the GOP and Fox head Roger Ailes have a direct hand in perpetuating. FOX News is a disgusting blight on this country and their racist, toxic lies about Obama and basically anything else they can profit off lying about are ****ing disgusting.

How many of those 100,000 deaths were from registered guns vs illegal guns?

82% of guns in mass shootings are obtained legally. Thanks, NRA!

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/most-guns-mass-shootings-obtained-legally

I tried looking for the info on all gun shootings, but I couldn't find any site that wasn't a NRA funded bull**** think tank. Hard to find the actual stats. The NRA wants it that way.

Obama - "I can put someone on the no fly list but I cant keep them from buying an automatic weapon."

But yea... lets blame the president.

Politicians are a disgrace in this country. Nothing but blame and no action. Guys like McCain saying things like "Obama is culpable for Orlando shooting by letting ISIS grow in the US"

Can we also blame Bush for every death in Iraq after taking us to war over weapons of mass destruction a straight up lie?

We absolutely have to blame Bush and his terrible presidency.
Mindless aggressive polices by Bush administration replaced by mindless passive by Obama administration.
Both parties are political bankrupts.
No leaders to look up to. And this presidents election even a bigger joke.
Selecting form bitch and clown... mockery.

You have to realize that Obama did do plenty. And at every single turn he was blocked by the GOP Congress. The GOP Congress who has voted down any gun reform law in this country. The GOP doesn't even want to perform terrorist background checks on people who buy automatic weapons. Why don't they want to? Because they are paid to vote that way by the gun lobby, made up of the NRA and gun manufacturers. Similar to the oil lobby who have paid the GOP to call coal a "a clean fuel".

The GOP is a mockery. Trump is the perfect clown candidate to represent them. But the real danger they pose is at the Congress level, where their obstructionist voting stops any real change from happening in this country. Again, the only reason they do this is to get rich from lobbyists. There are dirty politicians on the Democratic side, too, but nowhere near as bad. Just check the voting records in the Senate. It's an embarrassment. It's worse than an embarrassment, it should be called what it is - criminal negligence.

Plenty... meaning what specifically?
His job is to unite people and political parties around common goals to make good for the whole country.
The gun issues must be depoliticized.
If politics cannot come together on this it should be put on national referendum.
Absolute majority of US citizens will support background checks and mental checks requirements for gun ownership.
And it should be yearly re-qualification process to keep gun licenses valid.
It will require a lot of financing to implement and maintain but it worth it as it will save thousands of lives.
I want to see a comprehensive non-partisan plan on this from president and drive from him to put all population behind the plan to push it through the legislation.

So Obama's job is to make the GOP not an embarrassment to the country? Why doesn't the GOP pick itself up by its bootstraps?

You cannot get blood from the stone.
Who cares if GOP or DEMs are an embarrassment? All politicians are.
President should step above this snake-nest and put public behind him.
Instead we see only politically correct bulsht.

The GOP are the ones voting down Obama's attempts to change gun laws. How can he "step above" it when it is their repeated vote - specifically the GOP - that is continuing the epidemic of gun violence in this country?

This is the guy whose side you're on in this argument, by the way. Say hi to Mitch McConnell. He agrees with everything you're saying and wants to give you a high five for taking it to Obama. Good job.

Cartman718 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

arkrud wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

arkrud wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

arkrud wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:That's because he is reactive and not proactive. At least he finally attempted to unite us with his last briefing instead of further dividing us. He has a tendency to flame fires without having all the facts. He manages to inject the same rhetoric every time which further divides us. No matter what the issue it is guns are always to blame and he refuses to acknowledge the world has a serious problem with radical terrorism. A whole lotta nothin until the next disaster he has to get back up there and address.

Wow.

There have been over 100,000 deaths by gun in this country since 20 children were executed by an assault rifle near my home town in Sandy Hook, CT in December 2012, less than four years ago. You could fill the largest stadium in the world with the dead Americans from gun violence in that time span.

How many deaths by radical terrorism?

An actual divisive force in this country is the NRA and gun manufacturers which profit off the deaths of American citizens and pays Congress to keep it that way.

You think we would need militarized police forces if it wasn't legal to buy AR-15 assault rifles and unlimited ammo? The police are scared, rightly so, they can be outgunned in many situations. But they're overreacting and shooting first far too often.

How exactly is Obama dividing people? Show me a quote of words he actually said.

You know what divides people? The racist rhetoric spewed by FOX news blaming Obama for problems that the GOP and Fox head Roger Ailes have a direct hand in perpetuating. FOX News is a disgusting blight on this country and their racist, toxic lies about Obama and basically anything else they can profit off lying about are ****ing disgusting.

How many of those 100,000 deaths were from registered guns vs illegal guns?

82% of guns in mass shootings are obtained legally. Thanks, NRA!

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/most-guns-mass-shootings-obtained-legally

I tried looking for the info on all gun shootings, but I couldn't find any site that wasn't a NRA funded bull**** think tank. Hard to find the actual stats. The NRA wants it that way.

Obama - "I can put someone on the no fly list but I cant keep them from buying an automatic weapon."

But yea... lets blame the president.

Politicians are a disgrace in this country. Nothing but blame and no action. Guys like McCain saying things like "Obama is culpable for Orlando shooting by letting ISIS grow in the US"

Can we also blame Bush for every death in Iraq after taking us to war over weapons of mass destruction a straight up lie?

We absolutely have to blame Bush and his terrible presidency.
Mindless aggressive polices by Bush administration replaced by mindless passive by Obama administration.
Both parties are political bankrupts.
No leaders to look up to. And this presidents election even a bigger joke.
Selecting form bitch and clown... mockery.

You have to realize that Obama did do plenty. And at every single turn he was blocked by the GOP Congress. The GOP Congress who has voted down any gun reform law in this country. The GOP doesn't even want to perform terrorist background checks on people who buy automatic weapons. Why don't they want to? Because they are paid to vote that way by the gun lobby, made up of the NRA and gun manufacturers. Similar to the oil lobby who have paid the GOP to call coal a "a clean fuel".

The GOP is a mockery. Trump is the perfect clown candidate to represent them. But the real danger they pose is at the Congress level, where their obstructionist voting stops any real change from happening in this country. Again, the only reason they do this is to get rich from lobbyists. There are dirty politicians on the Democratic side, too, but nowhere near as bad. Just check the voting records in the Senate. It's an embarrassment. It's worse than an embarrassment, it should be called what it is - criminal negligence.

Plenty... meaning what specifically?
His job is to unite people and political parties around common goals to make good for the whole country.
The gun issues must be depoliticized.
If politics cannot come together on this it should be put on national referendum.
Absolute majority of US citizens will support background checks and mental checks requirements for gun ownership.
And it should be yearly re-qualification process to keep gun licenses valid.
It will require a lot of financing to implement and maintain but it worth it as it will save thousands of lives.
I want to see a comprehensive non-partisan plan on this from president and drive from him to put all population behind the plan to push it through the legislation.

So Obama's job is to make the GOP not an embarrassment to the country? Why doesn't the GOP pick itself up by its bootstraps?

You cannot get blood from the stone.
Who cares if GOP or DEMs are an embarrassment? All politicians are.
President should step above this snake-nest and put public behind him.
Instead we see only politically correct bulsht.

The GOP are the ones voting down Obama's attempts to change gun laws. How can he "step above" it when it is their repeated vote - specifically the GOP - that is continuing the epidemic of gun violence in this country?

This is the guy whose side you're on in this argument, by the way. Say hi to Mitch McConnell. He agrees with everything you're saying and wants to give you a high five for taking it to Obama. Good job.

I think he fails to understand in a democracy, Congress passing bills requires support on both sides for issues of any importance.
I feel things will get better when the baby boomers are gone. Change can be effected before that, but it will require a shift from other focuses, or at least that's the excuse both sides will use to delay it.

I'm a baby boomer...sounds like you're talking about "generationcide."

I guess I'll have to watch my back.

crzymdups wrote:

meloanyk wrote:President Obama has great oratory skills, intelligence and soul but he missed the opportunity over the years to directly challenge his own race to address their own failings. The reality is blacks have made no progress in educational achievement, job growth or cultural advancements during his presidency despite programs in place to assist. His election should have been a turning point for Black Americans but it has not been. Some will say that President Obama failed his race but I think the opposite happened, today's black culture failed him. President Obama did not have to deliver an idiotic Pastor Manning rant but he should have been more encompassing and challenging when addressing what plagues the black race. Society can and does assist but it's up to black people to retake their neighborhoods and share priorities that change the pipeline from school to prison to cradle to college. Some here may recall the Pound Cake speech that Bill Cosby delivered years ago to the NAACP. He was highly critical of black communities for their lack of parenting and responsibility, the prevalence of single parent families and incidental babies, frivolous ways at the expense of necessities and other behaviors such as ghetto vernacular instead of proper English. He cited present African Americans norms and culture as destructive to its own and the main drivers of wide gaps in achievement rather than discrimination,, policing or government policies. He made little excuse for the crimes of the incarcerated and lamented the absence of real black men of years past who were more accountable. He urged blacks to eschew their pathological embrace of victimization, violence and welfare and help themselves just like other minorities of race and color have done to advance. Now I realize, Cosby views will be minimized as a condescending Uncle Tom elitist especially after his rape allegations but he spoke out on self inflicted problems that should be in full discussions but are not because they are not politically correct or convenient. To my surprise, Bill Clinton of all people has recently touched the surface on them as well as black conservatives. I respected the integrity of President Obama but always found his direct addresses to be incomplete messages

You're using Bill Cosby? Bill Cosby who was accused of sexually assaulting over 50 women? I mean, it killed me to hear that Cosby story come out, loved his comedy as a kid, but you could not pick a bigger hypocrit or liar to quote. What he says is completely irrelevant at this point.

The "pick yourself up by your bootstraps" mentality is often spouted by idiots like Trump who were born rich and wouldn't know how to pick themselves up by their bootstraps if their bootstraps could talk and told them what to do.

Again, Obama tried plenty of different things. All blocked by the GOP. What are these great programs that slipped through? What are these amazing programs that black people continue to ignore? Please tell me and I'll tell all my friends about them. Why haven't black people been able to overcome 240 years of institutionalized racism during Obama's 8-year Presidency?

Don't try to oversimplify the problem. There's institutional racism at every level of American life. From the way neighborhoods are segregated, from the way cops treat black suspects vs white, from the way criminal sentences are handed down, from quality of schools in different neighborhoods, from quality of hospitals available to people with low or no insurance vs people with great health care. The problem is systematic and needs years of work and addressing at many different levels.

A white man and a black man commit the same crime - the white man gets probation, the black man gets three years in prison and his life is effectively ruined. Read The New Jim Crow by Michelle Alexander - this **** happens every day in America. I have a friend who is a public defender in NYC and he can barely stand to go to work anymore, such is the institutional racism at the trial and sentencing level of the NYC courts. Cosby is either lying or doesn't know what he's talking about.

Obama can only do so much, particularly when he is faced with an obstructionist GOP Congress. But the larger problem is part of the fabric of America. We can work our asses off and if we're lucky, it'll be better in 50 years and we can leave a better world to our kids. But there has to be an ACKNOWLEDGMENT of the problem. Don't blame Obama for not doing enough. Don't blame black people for whatever the **** Cosby is talking about. Look at the systems - how can we change those? It won't happen overnight, but it has to happen.

Yes, how strange is the concept of proper upbringing , self determination and improvement. Koreans, Indians or other minorities rise above hurdles and language barriers as they EDUCATE themselves at all costs and sacrifice, they strive. The people who make your schools what they are the students and their parents but lets blame everybody and everything else. Spare me the silver spoons story, my dad had zero when he came here, he worked at a deli and sacrificed 365 days, i lived in what basically was a large closet off my parents bedroom with a sister and two brother and a basement bathroom was shared. So I worked two jobs and went to night school. Cosby hit it right on the head, change for the better and do your part to resolve gaps

As far as police and the criminal system , this is one site I read that sheds light without the slants of ideologies http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime/19439

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Where was Tom Brady?

Where is Tom Brady?

Appealing, Losing and Worrying about his own legacy

Major hit to his self-esteem.

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meloanyk wrote:President Obama has great oratory skills, intelligence and soul but he missed the opportunity over the years to directly challenge his own race to address their own failings. The reality is blacks have made no progress in educational achievement, job growth or cultural advancements during his presidency despite programs in place to assist. His election should have been a turning point for Black Americans but it has not been. Some will say that President Obama failed his race but I think the opposite happened, today's black culture failed him. President Obama did not have to deliver an idiotic Pastor Manning rant but he should have been more encompassing and challenging when addressing what plagues the black race. Society can and does assist but it's up to black people to retake their neighborhoods and share priorities that change the pipeline from school to prison to cradle to college. Some here may recall the Pound Cake speech that Bill Cosby delivered years ago to the NAACP. He was highly critical of black communities for their lack of parenting and responsibility, the prevalence of single parent families and incidental babies, frivolous ways at the expense of necessities and other behaviors such as ghetto vernacular instead of proper English. He cited present African Americans norms and culture as destructive to its own and the main drivers of wide gaps in achievement rather than discrimination,, policing or government policies. He made little excuse for the crimes of the incarcerated and lamented the absence of real black men of years past who were more accountable. He urged blacks to eschew their pathological embrace of victimization, violence and welfare and help themselves just like other minorities of race and color have done to advance. Now I realize, Cosby views will be minimized as a condescending Uncle Tom elitist especially after his rape allegations but he spoke out on self inflicted problems that should be in full discussions but are not because they are not politically correct or convenient. To my surprise, Bill Clinton of all people has recently touched the surface on them as well as black conservatives. I respected the integrity of President Obama but always found his direct addresses to be incomplete messages

If his message seems incomplete to you, maybe you aren't paying enough attention? He does what it seems like you want him to do, particularly when speaking to Black audiences — and it gets reported in the mainstream press. Cosby was talking to the NAACP, after all. Black folks do talk to each other in this way all the time.

"Obama Sharply Assails Absent Black Fathers"
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/16/us/politics/15cnd-obama.html?_r=0

"How the Obama Administration Talks to Black America"
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/05/how-the-obama-administration-talks-to-black-america/276015/

"To critics, Obama’s scolding tone with black audiences is getting old"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/to-critics-obamas-scolding-tone-with-black-audiences-is-getting-old/2013/05/20/4b267352-c191-11e2-bfdb-3886a561c1ff_story.html

"Obama Says Movements Like Black Lives Matter ‘Can’t Just Keep on Yelling’"
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/24/us/obama-says-movements-like-black-lives-matter-cant-just-keep-on-yelling.html
"Obama Calls Kanye West ‘Jackass’ Again"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/12/obama-kanye-west-jackass-_n_1420578.html

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And yes, lessons from a victimizer on how not to embrace victimization is pretty rich.

Calling West a jacksss is a national message? Talking to Morehouse College spreads the word beyond that campus? What % of the black population reads the Atlantic or NY Times? President Obama had a great platform to drive home these points to black communities across the nation via national addresses and I think it was squandered for the most part. Ill also return to my original point. He was elected to the cheers of blacks and whites , it should have been a turning point but the cultures did not respond