BRIGGS wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Rolo is playing great ball right now--its as simple as that. The material difference between Monroe and Lopez? Well our W-L might record might be better with Monroe--it couldnt be worse.

Milwaukee's record is worse with Monroe. Record worse, OFF & DEF efficiencies are worse. Detroit: better, better, better.

They made a devastating trade getting rid of Knight--thats their sole reason why they went south. But they also have a better record than the Knicks.

Not sure how the Knicks' record has anything to do with Monroe or Milwaukee.

Not sure how you can say that getting rid of Knight was the sole reason why they went south either, Monroe was their premier free agent pickup.

I think since they lost Knight they havent been the same. I think Robin Lopez has been the superior player by far 2nd half of the season--maybe playing his best basketball of career in certain games. In fact he should get more FGAs but I dont see how it has any real material difference between Monroe and Lopez in W-L or game impact. Lopez is the better player right now but it wont change the way a team either wins or losses--one guy avg 16-10 the other 12-8--neither guy is a great defender.

Please explain how this one team is #1 in the NBA in rim protection.

The Knicks get outscored in the paint on a daily basis--what are you talking about?

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/opponent-points-in-paint-per-game Dont you have dudes who get paid a lot of money to make sure you dont say stupid things?

According to NBA.com, the Knicks are currently holding opponents to 47.3 percent shooting at the rim—the best mark in the Association. The Utah Jazz check in at No. 2 at 48.4 percent, but thus far, the top team has been New York.

The perimeter defense has been painfully inconsistent, allowing penetration on a far too consistent basis, but no interior has done a better job of limiting efficient looks than New York.

Individually, the 27-year-old Rolo is holding opponents to 46.7 percent shooting when he meets them at the rim. Amongst played who have played at least 40 games in 2015-16, that’s the No. 8 mark in the NBA.

Should one include Derrick Favors and Rudy Gobert, who have both missed at least 17 games, is still No. 10 in the Association. Elite.

I'm sure you have quotes like that galore for your 100X buddy, right?

Stupid things...isn't this whole thread...ummm....

You were saying, BRIGGS?

martin wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

blkexec wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Rolo is playing great ball right now--its as simple as that. The material difference between Monroe and Lopez? Well our W-L might record might be better with Monroe--it couldnt be worse.

Cred goes bye-bye.....

I give Briggs credit.....He makes more predictions about players than anybody on this board. I don't give him credit with his back tracking comments. It's better to just own up to your mistakes and move on. Take notes from Hillary.....

Stated differently - you acknowledge that Briggs throws more poop up against the wall than any other poster in history and want to give him credit when small pieces of that poop actually stick to the wall without sliding down into the gutter.

Is that what you are trying to say?

Lot of gold in there, just gotta ignore the anxiety attacks

yeah, we all do it to some extent, but after a loss Briggs tends to be like "BURN IT DOWN - trade everyone for picks and draft these five guys to save the franchise."

after a win he's more like "maybe we just need some better guards."

I know I do it, too. And I value Briggs' perspective, even if I don't agree with all his takes.

blkexec wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:I think in reality we may need to start a new thread titled --- Robin Lopez is 100X better than Monroe.

It should only take a day or two before Briggs is in the thread defending Rolo's dominance.

Stated differently - Are you acknowledging that Briggs is a....

Flip Flopper
Someone who verbalizes contradictory statements with no reason for or acknowlegement of the change in positions.

Flip flop on what? Kind of like seeing Denzel Valentine during the year when he was a 2nd round prospect and saying he s a lottery pick? Or saying we shouldve gotten rid of Jose Calderon 2 years ago? I dont throw poop on the wall and I dont flip flop?? I acknowledge that Robin Lopez is playing much better than I anticipated--hes playing really well.

nyk4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

blkexec wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:I think in reality we may need to start a new thread titled --- Robin Lopez is 100X better than Monroe.

It should only take a day or two before Briggs is in the thread defending Rolo's dominance.

Stated differently - Are you acknowledging that Briggs is a....

Flip Flopper
Someone who verbalizes contradictory statements with no reason for or acknowlegement of the change in positions.

Flip flop on what? Kind of like seeing Denzel Valentine during the year when he was a 2nd round prospect and saying he s a lottery pick? Or saying we shouldve gotten rid of Jose Calderon 2 years ago? I dont throw poop on the wall and I dont flip flop?? I acknowledge that Robin Lopez is playing much better than I anticipated--hes playing really well.

man you are holding onto that Valentine thing aren't you? if I reminded everyone how I was the first person to talk about Derrick rose, Blake griffin (saw them as high-schoolers at camps and posted on here) and Russell Westbrook on this website all the time, I might be considered the draft guru too...

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4/10/2009 7:20 PM

Posted by TMS:

Posted by BRIGGS:

If Blake Griffin was actually picked by the Knicks he would average 23 points and grab 13 rebounds in year one shooting 58=% In his prime he will average 27 points and 15 rebounds in an uptempo game like this. Like the Lakers I would rather stack up on quality bigs--they still lead the league in scoring and dont even have 1 true PG on their roster. If somehow we were able to get Bosh the following year with David Lee as wheel three and a 7 footer who can play situational--that would be our fastest road to winning. I think any fair PG could work that team

If we get Blake--we will win 50 games NEXT year with a nice MLE and a few tweaks. I cant say that about any other guy in this draft.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 04-10-2009 1:55 PM]

i love Griffin too, but let's not get crazy here dude... we're talking Tim Duncan in his prime numbers when u say 23 & 13, & u expect Griffin to do that his 1st year? & shooting 58% no less? come on dude, what are u smokin?

& 27 & 15 are pretty crazy azz numbers too... not even Karl Malone ever had a season like that... stop buggin.

This is the next Karl Malone. Wait and see--I won't post about another prospect if this guy isnt a star right away. If the Knicks were ever lucky enough top get him--it should be game set match

Well he did avg 23-12 in year 1.

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

blkexec wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Rolo is playing great ball right now--its as simple as that. The material difference between Monroe and Lopez? Well our W-L might record might be better with Monroe--it couldnt be worse.

Cred goes bye-bye.....

I give Briggs credit.....He makes more predictions about players than anybody on this board. I don't give him credit with his back tracking comments. It's better to just own up to your mistakes and move on. Take notes from Hillary.....

Volume predicter....

better than a nothing-burger predictor though, right? Might as well let them all hang out and put balls on line

maybe just put one ball on the line at a time? You can't put all your balls in a grinder every day cause you will have ground balls and then your just castrated.

LivingLegend wrote:I think in reality we may need to start a new thread titled --- Robin Lopez is 100X better than Monroe.

It should only take a day or two before Briggs is in the thread defending Rolo's dominance.

briggs in "THE" thread?

How about briggs created 200 of his own threads to state his quirky (at best) position?

BRIGGS wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

blkexec wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:I think in reality we may need to start a new thread titled --- Robin Lopez is 100X better than Monroe.

It should only take a day or two before Briggs is in the thread defending Rolo's dominance.

Stated differently - Are you acknowledging that Briggs is a....

Flip Flopper
Someone who verbalizes contradictory statements with no reason for or acknowlegement of the change in positions.

Flip flop on what? Kind of like seeing Denzel Valentine during the year when he was a 2nd round prospect and saying he s a lottery pick? Or saying we shouldve gotten rid of Jose Calderon 2 years ago? I dont throw poop on the wall and I dont flip flop?? I acknowledge that Robin Lopez is playing much better than I anticipated--hes playing really well.

man you are holding onto that Valentine thing aren't you? if I reminded everyone how I was the first person to talk about Derrick rose, Blake griffin (saw them as high-schoolers at camps and posted on here) and Russell Westbrook on this website all the time, I might be considered the draft guru too...

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4/10/2009 7:20 PM

Posted by TMS:

Posted by BRIGGS:

If Blake Griffin was actually picked by the Knicks he would average 23 points and grab 13 rebounds in year one shooting 58=% In his prime he will average 27 points and 15 rebounds in an uptempo game like this. Like the Lakers I would rather stack up on quality bigs--they still lead the league in scoring and dont even have 1 true PG on their roster. If somehow we were able to get Bosh the following year with David Lee as wheel three and a 7 footer who can play situational--that would be our fastest road to winning. I think any fair PG could work that team

If we get Blake--we will win 50 games NEXT year with a nice MLE and a few tweaks. I cant say that about any other guy in this draft.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 04-10-2009 1:55 PM]

i love Griffin too, but let's not get crazy here dude... we're talking Tim Duncan in his prime numbers when u say 23 & 13, & u expect Griffin to do that his 1st year? & shooting 58% no less? come on dude, what are u smokin?

& 27 & 15 are pretty crazy azz numbers too... not even Karl Malone ever had a season like that... stop buggin.

This is the next Karl Malone. Wait and see--I won't post about another prospect if this guy isnt a star right away. If the Knicks were ever lucky enough top get him--it should be game set match

Well he did avg 23-12 in year 1.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=24839

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Tune in and see a couple of lottery prospects in Derrick Rose, Roy Hibbert and Chris Douglas-Roberts.

Derrick Rose should be the guy we pick if we win the lotto and get the first pick, he's progressed very nicely so far this year in his freshman season at Memphis. He started the season out a little rocky but as I've watched him as this year has moved on he's looking better and better out there. He's starting to realize when he can take over games and not just scoring points but with his passing and ball movement.

Either way, tune in for a good game.

blkexec wrote:How the hell do yall find these old post? Is there a SEARCH and FIND feature I'm not aware of?

It would take me months to find something last year....

just go out and buy a 10 TB HD and start bookmarking.

Finestrg wrote:I'd still rather have Greg Monroe + a defensive role player at C (Cole Aldrich, Jordan Bachynski, maybe a Jeff Withey ??) over RoLo + KOQ/Seraphin. That was my argument and still believe in the logic/validity of it 100%, even with RoLo playing much better ball over the past couple of months (and no disrespect to RoLo--he's been good--never about disrespecting anyone for me). People take every opportunity to put Monroe down, I don't get it. Dude's only 25 and can put up 16 & 9 in his sleep (that's in 30 mins a game with under 13 shots a game, I don't think he's even starting for the Bucks anymore). People wanna say those are "empty numbers" or "hollow numbers." Absurd.. How do you even quantify such a claim?!? Numbers are numbers, production is production...My hope was that we got Monroe and would've used him differently than he's been used up to this point. I said at the time and still believe that if Monroe's usage ever increased even a little (say 35+ mins per with at least 15 shots + 1 or 2 more FTs a game), he's a 20/10 player with over 1 blk/1 steal shooting over 50%, possibly an all-star in the EC. I think Monroe was worth a reduced max contract. I wanted the potential all-star and would've tried to get the defensive role playing C another way.

There's a reason he's not starting anymore though. And there's a reason his not starting has been connected with the Bucks team playing better.

Monroe is everything the Melo haters claim Melo is - no defense, selfish offense that takes the team out of the flow, doesn't make the team remotely better.