blkexec wrote:fishmike wrote:gunsnewing wrote:fishmike wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I think MONROE and OK4 are very similar. Ok4 more polished offensively at 19 than Monroe was. But We've already seen Monroe produce in the NBA. Both guys are subpar defenders and really don't block shots. You just have to hope they become adequate. In Monroe's case maybe getting out of Drummond's shadow and in a new system will help him defensively.Minimally both guys rebound a ton and score inside which is valuable next to a center who protects the rim and spaces the floor
hey Guns.. if OK4 is "subpar" defender can I call Towns a subpar scorer and rebounder?
Not really but you can if you want lol
I can't deny there is more known than unknown with OK4 so I totally get the people who rather play it safe and draft him. I just have my reasons for wanting Towns. I rather came on the guy who can impact the game even when he is not scoring than watch a guy put up 20 & 10 on losing teams like Love & Lee. There is value to in putting up those numbers but they get in the way of playing elite team ball. You win with 2-way players for the most part. No weak links
Its not Towns, its OK4. He' already an excellent rebounder with monster hands that let him control the ball in traffic. OK4 blocks a lot of shots and alters a ton more. He's actually longer than Towns, and there is zero reason to think OK4 cant become an excellent defensive player. Again.. you defend Town's pedestrian stats with the role he plays and the team he's on. Why doesnt OK4 get the same? If OK4 picks up the same kind of fouls Towns does Duke has no chance to win, so he doesnt engage.
honest question
I believe it's easy to defend OK4 as the pick, due to his college production.....It's hard to defend Towns because of his lack of college production. Some people use stats to measure success. Others use the eye test, and how their system may hold back their skill set. Jordan said in an interview, when he went to the NBA, it was like letting a bird out of the cage. He was able to open his wings and fly. Jordans game was better fit for the NBA. There was no stats that predict this, when he was in college. But if you look at the old tape, the eye test will tell you this guy is special....The stats will say, he's not producing like James Worthy or whoever else was drafted in front of him. He was doing the same dunks he did in the NBA, just at a smaller sample size. Jordan and everybody else didn't know how the NBA would fit his game, until he actually played his first NBA game.
I think this is a great discussion to have, but keep in mind. We are splitting hairs and for the most part, OK4 fans and Towns fans are not going to budge. Both will be star players and both will impact their team. It's a win win for anybody with the #1 or #2 pick. As a two way player myself, I always have a soft spot for those types of players. Guys that see the game from offense only, will see OK4 as the next great post player. But what if both player predictions are right? What if both players meet their potential? I still like Towns and Melo playing together than OK4 and Melo. Now if we didn't have Melo on the team, it would be a harder decision for me. OK4 is a great player to build around, when you have a blank sheet of paper like Philly. We already have Melo and a Triangle system. So we have to find the players that fit into what we have. Otherwise, we just wasted another 5 yrs of nothing, with mis match parts and barely making the playoffs. We've been down that road before.
In summary, it's a win....win for both OK4 and Towns fans. Now picking Russell or Mudiay over these guys is another discussion!
Jordan's stats in college were great.
College Scouting is moving more towards stats than before however, the eye test is still crucial to determine potential.
The eye test is extremely important especially when a player is unproven and there is no data to assist.
My issue is when the data is there and people just ignore it like it is not there.
so here is what phil is thinking ....
3/17/2015 3:57 PM