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6/26/2014  10:36 PM
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I wouldn’t use the word ‘consulted’. I’d say the word ‘informed,’” Jackson said on Thursday. “We talked about [the deal] a couple weeks ago with Carmelo when we met with him. We told him this was on the table and I was going to wait and see until I got back from Turkey to see how this fit. He was aware.”

“[Carmelo] saw the value in it and appreciated it,” Jackson continued.

The executive added that there were a few contributing factors as to why the deal took so long to complete, including Raymond Felton’s recent legal troubles.

“This went on for some time. I don’t think there’s any question that this was a final goal of both teams,” he said. “A lot of things had to be digested and answered. I didn’t want to do the deal until Raymond had some sort of declaration as to the protocol and what was going to happen legally. I wanted him to have the best chance possible and not hold back his career.”

melo will be a knick my friend

how about providing a link to your article so i can parse it before we call each other friends?


REENBURGH, N.Y. -- New York Knicks president Phil Jackson said one of the reasons he wanted to ship Tyson Chandler and Raymond Felton to the Dallas Mavericks was to "change some of the chemistry" of his team.

"To do that we felt (it was) important to bring in some new personnel and start with some character guys that we feel can carry this forward," Jackson said on Thursday evening.

In Jackson's first major trade as president, he sent Felton and Chandler to Dallas for point guard Jose Calderon, guard Shane Larkin, center Samuel Dalembert, forward Wayne Ellington and two second-round selections in Thursday night's draft.


Watching them play I saw guys that looked at each other like, 'You didn't back me up, you weren't here when I needed help.' There just wasn't the right combination or feel (where) it felt like everybody was in synch all the time.

-- Knicks president Phil Jackson
Calderon is a strong outside shooter and is seen as a strong fit in the Knicks' triangle offense.

"Jose is a thoughtful guard. He's got great control of the ball. He pushes the ball up, accelerates it up the court," Jackson said. "He's a very good 3-point shooter. He organizes a team quite well and we anticipate he'll fit in to what we're trying to do."

Jackson sees Dalembert as a strong rebounder and interior defender.

"He can replace Tyson's defensive ability -- maybe not be the defensive player of the year like Tyson was, but he's going to be a quality defender," he said.

Jackson, who took over as team president in March, said he could see chemistry issues between Knicks players last season. The team finished with just 37 wins and missed the playoffs for the first time in four seasons.

"Watching them play I saw guys that looked at each other like, 'You didn't back me up, you weren't here when I needed help,' " Jackson said. "There just wasn't the right combination or feel (where) it felt like everybody was in synch all the time."

Chandler drew headlines last season when he questioned coach Mike Woodson's defensive schemes. Felton, meanwhile, was charged with two felony gun counts and last week reached a plea bargain to avoid jail time. Jackson didn't reference Chandler or Felton specifically when he talked about chemistry issues but said he wanted Felton's legal issues to be resolved before agreeing to the deal with the Mavericks.

Jackson hoped that the rest of the Knicks' players were paying attention to the trade.

"Well, we want to send a message to all of our players that we are on the move and we are making changes and we are making changes to move forward in the direction that we want to go," Jackson said. "We want to be more aggressive defensively, we want to have a certain sense of offensive alacrity, getting up and down the court and challenging defenses to get back and protect the basket."

Jackson said he's fielded "a lot of calls" about a "couple" of Knicks players but declined to name who those players were. ESPN.com's Marc Stein reported that the Knicks had talked to teams about trading Iman Shumpert for a first-round pick earlier this week.

The Knicks' president was asked if he "consulted" with free agent Carmelo Anthony about the trade. He corrected the questioner to say that he "informed" Anthony about the deal.

"He saw the value in it and was appreciative of it," Jackson said.

Jackson also addressed his decision to trade Chandler, who is entering the final year of his contract this coming season. In the transaction, the Knicks forfeited $5 million in cap space in the summer of 2015, when they hope to be able to attract big-name free agents.

"We didn't want to watch another player go off and not get anything in return, so to speak," Jackson said.

Understand the writing on the wall

yes i understand it-- melo is GONE. have you ever taken an iq test?

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6/26/2014  11:11 PM
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fishmike wrote:sounds like you made all that up from thin air with no thought at all.... time will tell

yeah i made it all up out of thin air. you need to face facts-- regardless of what jackson does with this team he is smart enough to not be held hostage by a career loser.... melo is GONE.

He's right DK, if you don't like the way melo plays (thats fine) but to sit there and say that melo sucks or can never win a ring (which is what your saying in other words) it's bias, stupid, and unrealistic.

If he can win a NCAA title, and gold medal (in which he was a major major factor) then clearly it's about the peices you put around a player of his caliber..

Your saying HE's GONE, is all wishfull thinking, it's not accurate, you didn't speak with him or his managment team, your basically saying he's gone cause he didn't opt in..DO YOU WORK FOR ESPN?

his winning in the ncaa is meaningless. might as well be talking about michael beasley or ralph sampson or any other ncaa success story who could not make the transition to the nba and find similar success. but let me save you the trouble-- it wasn't the nuggets that were the problem.

gold medal? also meaningless, unless he is content being a third option and being set up by two superior players to himself. and that means taking a BIG financial hit to be a third option. then and only then does he have a chance at winning at the nba level. and rest assured it will not be in a knick uniform!

the ONLY scenario i see where melo wins is if lebron james is running the triangle in MSG. and that means he plays for 11-13 million for the privilege.

Once again your insight is limited, are you saying that melo would be playing the same way he has his whole career in a triangle offense, which is predicated on ball movement?

He didn't exactly change how he played in SSOL did he?


He played point forward for us for the beginning of that season. I would say he changed how he played a bit.
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6/26/2014  11:15 PM
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6/26/2014  11:31 PM
I wonder if Melo remembers Tyson taking those shots at him last season and after we got eliminated by Indiana
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6/27/2014  12:14 AM
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I wouldn’t use the word ‘consulted’. I’d say the word ‘informed,’” Jackson said on Thursday. “We talked about [the deal] a couple weeks ago with Carmelo when we met with him. We told him this was on the table and I was going to wait and see until I got back from Turkey to see how this fit. He was aware.”

“[Carmelo] saw the value in it and appreciated it,” Jackson continued.

The executive added that there were a few contributing factors as to why the deal took so long to complete, including Raymond Felton’s recent legal troubles.

“This went on for some time. I don’t think there’s any question that this was a final goal of both teams,” he said. “A lot of things had to be digested and answered. I didn’t want to do the deal until Raymond had some sort of declaration as to the protocol and what was going to happen legally. I wanted him to have the best chance possible and not hold back his career.”

melo will be a knick my friend

how about providing a link to your article so i can parse it before we call each other friends?


REENBURGH, N.Y. -- New York Knicks president Phil Jackson said one of the reasons he wanted to ship Tyson Chandler and Raymond Felton to the Dallas Mavericks was to "change some of the chemistry" of his team.

"To do that we felt (it was) important to bring in some new personnel and start with some character guys that we feel can carry this forward," Jackson said on Thursday evening.

In Jackson's first major trade as president, he sent Felton and Chandler to Dallas for point guard Jose Calderon, guard Shane Larkin, center Samuel Dalembert, forward Wayne Ellington and two second-round selections in Thursday night's draft.


Watching them play I saw guys that looked at each other like, 'You didn't back me up, you weren't here when I needed help.' There just wasn't the right combination or feel (where) it felt like everybody was in synch all the time.

-- Knicks president Phil Jackson
Calderon is a strong outside shooter and is seen as a strong fit in the Knicks' triangle offense.

"Jose is a thoughtful guard. He's got great control of the ball. He pushes the ball up, accelerates it up the court," Jackson said. "He's a very good 3-point shooter. He organizes a team quite well and we anticipate he'll fit in to what we're trying to do."

Jackson sees Dalembert as a strong rebounder and interior defender.

"He can replace Tyson's defensive ability -- maybe not be the defensive player of the year like Tyson was, but he's going to be a quality defender," he said.

Jackson, who took over as team president in March, said he could see chemistry issues between Knicks players last season. The team finished with just 37 wins and missed the playoffs for the first time in four seasons.

"Watching them play I saw guys that looked at each other like, 'You didn't back me up, you weren't here when I needed help,' " Jackson said. "There just wasn't the right combination or feel (where) it felt like everybody was in synch all the time."

Chandler drew headlines last season when he questioned coach Mike Woodson's defensive schemes. Felton, meanwhile, was charged with two felony gun counts and last week reached a plea bargain to avoid jail time. Jackson didn't reference Chandler or Felton specifically when he talked about chemistry issues but said he wanted Felton's legal issues to be resolved before agreeing to the deal with the Mavericks.

Jackson hoped that the rest of the Knicks' players were paying attention to the trade.

"Well, we want to send a message to all of our players that we are on the move and we are making changes and we are making changes to move forward in the direction that we want to go," Jackson said. "We want to be more aggressive defensively, we want to have a certain sense of offensive alacrity, getting up and down the court and challenging defenses to get back and protect the basket."

Jackson said he's fielded "a lot of calls" about a "couple" of Knicks players but declined to name who those players were. ESPN.com's Marc Stein reported that the Knicks had talked to teams about trading Iman Shumpert for a first-round pick earlier this week.

The Knicks' president was asked if he "consulted" with free agent Carmelo Anthony about the trade. He corrected the questioner to say that he "informed" Anthony about the deal.

"He saw the value in it and was appreciative of it," Jackson said.

Jackson also addressed his decision to trade Chandler, who is entering the final year of his contract this coming season. In the transaction, the Knicks forfeited $5 million in cap space in the summer of 2015, when they hope to be able to attract big-name free agents.

"We didn't want to watch another player go off and not get anything in return, so to speak," Jackson said.

Understand the writing on the wall

even better i just saw the video of jackson making these statements.

even more convinced that jackson really doesn't give two shytes whether melo stays. this is a victory for the team and the team's fans.

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6/27/2014  12:38 AM
and then there's this summation:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/27/sports/basketball/new-picks-and-new-outlook-for-knicks.html?hpw&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpHedThumbWell&module=well-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well&_r=0

As with anything involving the Knicks these days, the night’s festivities were viewed through the prism of Anthony’s impending free agency, and Jackson fielded several questions about him. Yes, Jackson wants Anthony to re-sign with the team. No, Jackson does not expect to meet with him again before he makes his choice. Yes, Jackson still wants him to take less money.

“He’s the one who opened that up — that it wasn’t about the money,” Jackson said. “So I challenged him about that because I wanted our fans to see that he’s a team player, that he was going to do what was best for this team to get ahead farther and faster.”

The Knicks, according to the collective bargaining agreement, can offer Anthony the most lucrative contract: $129 million over five years. The most that other teams can offer is $96 million over four years. But it was more apparent than ever that Jackson would be reluctant to break the bank for Anthony. Given the league’s salary-cap restrictions, Jackson said, maximum contracts make it difficult to build a championship contender.

“It puts limitations on a team,” he said, adding, “We have every confidence that Carmelo’s good for what his word is, that he wants to be in New York, that he likes to play in New York and wants to be a part of a playoff team that’s competitive for a championship.”

How soon that becomes more than a remote fantasy is unclear, although Jackson sounded optimistic that the team had taken a first step thanks to its trade with the Mavericks. In exchange for Tyson Chandler and Raymond Felton, the Knicks acquired Jose Calderon, Samuel Dalembert, Shane Larkin, Wayne Ellington and the two picks.

Jackson said he expected that Calderon, a veteran point guard, would be an excellent fit in the triangle offense. Jackson also praised Dalembert as a defense-minded center capable of replacing Chandler at that end of the floor. Jackson said he was motivated to make the deal based on what he had seen over the final weeks of the regular season.

“We had to change some of the chemistry on this team,” he said. “I saw guys that really looked at each other like, ‘You didn’t back me up; you weren’t here when I needed help.’ There just wasn’t the right combination or feel where everybody was in sync all the time.”

Last season was a disaster for the Knicks, who tumbled out of playoff contention. Chandler was sometimes critical of Mike Woodson, who was then the team’s coach, and Felton labored with injuries and off-the-court issues. On Monday, Felton agreed to plead guilty to a felony gun possession charge as a way of avoiding jail time.

Jackson met with Anthony in Los Angeles this month along with Derek Fisher, the team’s new coach, and General Manager Steve Mills. Jackson said he informed Anthony of the deal that was in the works with Dallas, but he was careful to say that he did not seek Anthony’s approval.

“I wouldn’t use the word ‘consulted,’ ” Jackson said, adding, “He saw the value in it and was appreciative of it.”

More than 50 prospects worked out for the Knicks ahead of the draft. The team, Jackson said, had done its homework. He indicated that there could be additional moves, although he reiterated that it would be hard for the Knicks to be major players on the free-agent market.

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6/27/2014  12:59 AM
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Cartman718 wrote:anyone who thinks that the knicks didn't pretty much rape the mavs on this deal needs to check themselves. an aging center with lots of miles on his body and getting beat up all the time in the paint and no jump shot no free throw shooting skills and no passing out of the paint??? defensive rebounds are not worth that much!!!!!!!!! let's not forget that for 2 months he's pretty much out of commission during NY's winter.

and really people complaining about jose calderon's deal at 7 mill per? anyone here think he's not at least twice as good as fatboy felon? better decision making, better shooting and is not interested in challenging big guys in the paint at his age only makes him a smarter player with better mileage. look at dwayne wade... he's becoming a fraction of his championship self before our very eyes due to his crash in the paint type of play in the earlier years. miami is not going to resign him at the same salary as lebron, book it.

ok jose does not play defense and neither does ray ray.
if this deal was simply fluson and fatboy for calderon, i'd have been happy of addition by subtraction. but on top that, we get larkin, ellington, 2 picks...

these are all assets to be used in upcoming moves.... stay tuned! all hail Phil Jackson!

Your optimism is completely unfounded. I love how everything we traded was awful but everything we gained was impeccable. Unless you're dealing with the Hornets or Cavs, that is never the case when dealing with another team. So clearly you are overestimating what we are getting and underestimating what we gave the Mavs.

clearly YOU are underestimating Phil Jackson. I am not overestimating what we got at all. I know very little about Ellington or Larkin. But like I said... Calderon by himself to me is a deal I'd make for Chandler and Felton. Chandler's contract was expiring next year, but how many teams would be interested in giving us even this much for him after he spends Mid December to Mid Feb drinking TheraFlu at home??

I am not hailing Calderon as Chris Paul.... he is still light years smarter and better orchestrator and shooter than Felton. He definitely FITS way better.

If you truly feel that what we traded away was not awful, back it up by reasons as opposed to simply bashing what I said. smh.

Quite honestly, I've stated my reasons on several occasions earlier in the trade. I only responded to yours because it seemed a little snobbish- as if the contrarians to your opinion are wrong simply because they disagree with your own opinion. Just to quickly rehash why I'm not a fan of this trade:

1.) Jose Calderon is 33 years old and owed $22 million over 3 years. It's ridiculous to me how you all want to characterize Tyson Chandler as ailing and declining but overlook that fact for Calderon. Dude is a bench player at this point in his career. Is he better than Raymond Felton? Yes but so is every ****ing PG in the league, so there is little consolation in that fact for me.

2.) Omer Asik got the Rockets a 1st round pick from a lottery team. Is this really the best we could do for a recent Defensive Player of the Year that is still better than Asik in most respects of the game? People are doing backflips for Shane Larkin but the dude was the 18th pick in one of the worst drafts in professional sporting history. That means that 17 teams thought that there were 17 flavors of **** that were better than him. And considering the washout rate for 5"11' guards in the league, I find it difficult to take solace in that or some 2nd round picks (albeit in a draft I'm actually excited about).

3.) Why are we assuming long-term money? Wasn't it sacrilege just a week ago to do that? And for what? A 33 year old PG that has been a fringe starter for his career?

dude you are dumb... if every ****ing PG is better than Felton in the league and we get a PG much better than felton... how is that "little consolation in that fact for me" LOL smh.

stop touting chandler as DPOY... he's on a decline and was like i said... #30 out of 50 centers in the league... and about to make almost 15 mill?

stop worrying about calderon because he might be packaged next year in a trade, we need him to be serviceable for 1 year. he is not a long term solution.... we all know that. if we assume for the moment that this guy will get traded before he completes his 22 mill contract, does that make it more palatable for you?

First off, cut that dumb **** out and classen your responses up because this will get nasty. Second, I never suggested that Calderon is "much better" than Felton. Yes, he's better than Felton but so is any 3rd stringer on a NBA team. Those guys are not 33 years old and are not owed $22 million over the next 3 years. It's ridiculous to point out how Tyson Chandler is decline and then conveniently ignore the fact that Calderon has been posting career lows. I'm dealing with what is and not what might be, which is why this element of the deal seems so bleak. What market is out there for a bench player making $7 million/yr in an era where the cap and luxury tax are so punitive? We won't be finding suitors for Calderon very easily, needless to say. So keep sipping the Kool-Aid because I suspect that we'll quickly replace our ire for Felton with Calderon when we discover this fact.

P.S., where are these so called center rankings that you're using? What is your source because I haven't come across any kind of info that comes close to validating your assertion.


uh check out cbs sports, can you google it or do i need to provide a link?
and yeah check out calderon v/s felton there too while you are at it. DPOY chandler? gimme a break. cuban is going to have a rude awakening.
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