holfresh wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

misterearl wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

misterearl wrote:
dkt - critical thinking or nuanced thinking does not win basketball games. Heart wins basketball games.

Heart? What does that even mean? Can you define it for me? And to say that's the only important factor in winning games? Sorry but that's laughable.

Winning basketball games is due to a confluence of factors and heart may be somewhere in threw Equation depending on how it's defined.

So critical thinking has nothing to do with winning? If you have "heart" you can somehow not worry about thinking or outsmarting your opponent? Don't coaches all the time make adjustments? They don't have to "think" about these changes they just will them with their giant "hearts"?

Just wow.

H1AND1 - The Answer Man hereby double... no... triple dog dares you to cut and paste just one scouting report on an NBA prospect that lists "critical thinking" as a criteria to select him in the draft.

Go ahead, make my day.

(sing along) "you gotta have heart, miles and miles of heart..."

I'm not going to pour over 1,000's of scouting reports to look for the term "critical thinking" because we both know I won't find it. We both know there aren't any reports that list "critical thinking" however that doesn't prove your point. Nice try.

Ever heard the term BBall IQ? What do you think that means? I've seen low bball IQ listed countless times on scouting reports. You have not? I'm sure there are plenty of other terms on scouting reports that describes in myriad of ways that a player may lack certain mental proclivities that could or maybe might make them a better player when combined with their physical skills.

How about you define "heart" for me. So if player A shoots 54% from the field because he takes "good" shots when he has good looks and Player B shoots 39% because they take horrible I'll advised jumpers is this because Player A has a higher "Heart" Quotient? If a PG has an ability to read lanes and make great passes this is due to his "heart"? Blocking shots?

A mentally tough player who plays hard, plays with passion, and seemingly beyond his physical gifts...Like an Iverson, MJ, Chris Paul, Lawrence Taylor, Larry Bird, Walter Payton, Ronnie Lott, etc..Ever heard the term "heart of a Champion"??

Ok, sure, now were talking. I understood what it meant. I was just asking Misterearl to define it in terms that could be observed or quantified and then explain why it is "all you need to win".

Mental toughness, as you said, That's something that a scout can see. Playing with passion, too. Heart as anything more than a euphemism like "heart of a champion" to me is pretty vague. If I'm building a team I want mental toughness, etc but I also want high Bball IQ and smart players. A mix is best, you certainly don't "only need heart".

holfresh wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

misterearl wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

misterearl wrote:
dkt - critical thinking or nuanced thinking does not win basketball games. Heart wins basketball games.

Heart? What does that even mean? Can you define it for me? And to say that's the only important factor in winning games? Sorry but that's laughable.

Winning basketball games is due to a confluence of factors and heart may be somewhere in threw Equation depending on how it's defined.

So critical thinking has nothing to do with winning? If you have "heart" you can somehow not worry about thinking or outsmarting your opponent? Don't coaches all the time make adjustments? They don't have to "think" about these changes they just will them with their giant "hearts"?

Just wow.

H1AND1 - The Answer Man hereby double... no... triple dog dares you to cut and paste just one scouting report on an NBA prospect that lists "critical thinking" as a criteria to select him in the draft.

Go ahead, make my day.

(sing along) "you gotta have heart, miles and miles of heart..."

I'm not going to pour over 1,000's of scouting reports to look for the term "critical thinking" because we both know I won't find it. We both know there aren't any reports that list "critical thinking" however that doesn't prove your point. Nice try.

Ever heard the term BBall IQ? What do you think that means? I've seen low bball IQ listed countless times on scouting reports. You have not? I'm sure there are plenty of other terms on scouting reports that describes in myriad of ways that a player may lack certain mental proclivities that could or maybe might make them a better player when combined with their physical skills.

How about you define "heart" for me. So if player A shoots 54% from the field because he takes "good" shots when he has good looks and Player B shoots 39% because they take horrible I'll advised jumpers is this because Player A has a higher "Heart" Quotient? If a PG has an ability to read lanes and make great passes this is due to his "heart"? Blocking shots?

A mentally tough player who plays hard, plays with passion, and seemingly beyond his physical gifts...Like an Iverson, MJ, Chris Paul, Lawrence Taylor, Larry Bird, Walter Payton, Ronnie Lott, etc..Ever heard the term "heart of a Champion"??

walter payton-- among the athletes i most admire. you have to think the man had incredible field vision as a natural gift and his decision-making had few equals. but i think it was his dedication to conditioning that made him excel. when the body is fresher so is the mind and the vision.

same with jordan and bird. their conditioning level allowed them to make better decisions as games wore on.

misterearl wrote:You gotta have heart

H1AND1 - if your cultural exposure was a bit more sophisticated, you would have caught the quote that you mis-interpreted as "all you need to win" was only a lighthearted reference to the famous Broadway play "Damn Yankees"

"You could look it up" - Yogi Berra

Because nothing speaks of sophistication like Damn Yankees.