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Last night's was a reminder of how good Melo is. We should be talking about how to build around him!
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RonRon
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1/30/2014  7:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/30/2014  7:10 PM
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:Is that now the 5th question that now that I have asked you that u never responded to???

If the Knicks are worth well over a billion and it's not like we were going to have cap space, why should I care if Dolan's paying $25 mil over 3 years? Why would I care if that microscopic amount is distributed unevenly among the years either?

You can't moan about Dolan paying Melo 20 mil and say its ok to pay Lin 15...You can't stand on your soapbox and spew lengthy orations about being fiscal, not overpaying, signing value then say Dolan screwed up not resigning Lin, who I think by the way has his fingerprints on those Harden comments from Parsons...


1- Yes, I thought it was a no brainer, it doesn't affect our plans for 2015 if Dolan was going to keep him at 30m for 4 years, 25m for 3 years is no biggie in fact it doesn't affect the 2015 UFA's which I would even prefer

2- I view it as 3 years 24m, while an extension for Melo would be over that for 1year vs 3 years of service in which would effect our 2015 chances of improving if he opts out this summer and resigned, I have said that I don't mind if Dolan wants to pay Melo after 2016 with a player option, I wouldn't mind but we must preserve salary cap to build a core in 2015 with all the UFA's available for the possibility to build a contender WITH MELO

3- I didn't see Kidd, Novak, MWP and Pablo, in addition to trades for Felton, AB, and Camby with those salaries being much over Lin's while I believe Lin would have been more productive than all players, instead of using the MLE for some of these positions including the picks that went with them, we could have used it to address some of our holes

4- Lin was able to get his team mates to play with on both ends very effectively, DESPITE THE LACK OF TALENT, and his teammates were happy with the system and able to play off his ability to penetrate/facilitate with consistency/efficiency, and players were NOT standing around as opposed to Melo initiating our offense. His ability to penetrate/facilitate is much missed, while Felton is on the downhill of his career

5- I did not say Lin would lead us to the promised land but he could have been a player to continue to build on with our lack of ability to add talent because of the new CBA

So you constantly bash Lin because he was coming off the bench with ex Knick's players, coaches, especially when we were winning
Well Lin has shown to be more than a bench player on Houston that we loss for NOTHING because Melo did not want to share the spotlight

Fields and Novak are not playing now but those were the same players playing a large role with Lin here
Why is Melo unable do get the most of his team mates?
Because he isn't that type of player, nothing is wrong with that, but that should be included in deciding his next contract especially with this CBA
His max extension can be 2x more than the starting salary of a max extension of 2 players that are younger


Which other questions did you claimed I dodged?

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1/30/2014  7:16 PM
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:Is that now the 5th question that now that I have asked you that u never responded to???

If the Knicks are worth well over a billion and it's not like we were going to have cap space, why should I care if Dolan's paying $25 mil over 3 years? Why would I care if that microscopic amount is distributed unevenly among the years either?

You can't moan about Dolan paying Melo 20 mil and say its ok to pay Lin 15...You can't stand on your soapbox and spew lengthy orations about being fiscal, not overpaying, signing value then say Dolan screwed up not resigning Lin, who I think by the way has his fingerprints on those Harden comments from Parsons...


I don't care if he pays him 3 trillion dollars in 2014-15, but after that year we have cap space and a chance to have a well-planned roster
holfresh
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1/30/2014  7:18 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:Is that now the 5th question that now that I have asked you that u never responded to???

If the Knicks are worth well over a billion and it's not like we were going to have cap space, why should I care if Dolan's paying $25 mil over 3 years? Why would I care if that microscopic amount is distributed unevenly among the years either?

You can't moan about Dolan paying Melo 20 mil and say its ok to pay Lin 15...You can't stand on your soapbox and spew lengthy orations about being fiscal, not overpaying, signing value then say Dolan screwed up not resigning Lin, who I think by the way has his fingerprints on those Harden comments from Parsons...


I don't care if he pays him 3 trillion dollars in 2014-15, but after that year we have cap space and a chance to have a well-planned roster

But both of u moan right now about Melo's salary..

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1/30/2014  7:23 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/30/2014  7:24 PM
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:Is that now the 5th question that now that I have asked you that u never responded to???

If the Knicks are worth well over a billion and it's not like we were going to have cap space, why should I care if Dolan's paying $25 mil over 3 years? Why would I care if that microscopic amount is distributed unevenly among the years either?

You can't moan about Dolan paying Melo 20 mil and say its ok to pay Lin 15...You can't stand on your soapbox and spew lengthy orations about being fiscal, not overpaying, signing value then say Dolan screwed up not resigning Lin, who I think by the way has his fingerprints on those Harden comments from Parsons...


I don't care if he pays him 3 trillion dollars in 2014-15, but after that year we have cap space and a chance to have a well-planned roster

But both of u moan right now about Melo's salary..


Right, when we acquired Melo it made no sense to add his contract to the payroll - We had huge cap space. Acquiring Melo resulted in the *loss* of cap space. The same wouldn't apply to Lin.
It's really not that complicated but what matters is the impact of the contract on the team's cap space.
Moan? Can you write like a mature adult? Seriously?
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1/30/2014  7:23 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:Is that now the 5th question that now that I have asked you that u never responded to???

If the Knicks are worth well over a billion and it's not like we were going to have cap space, why should I care if Dolan's paying $25 mil over 3 years? Why would I care if that microscopic amount is distributed unevenly among the years either?

You can't moan about Dolan paying Melo 20 mil and say its ok to pay Lin 15...You can't stand on your soapbox and spew lengthy orations about being fiscal, not overpaying, signing value then say Dolan screwed up not resigning Lin, who I think by the way has his fingerprints on those Harden comments from Parsons...


I don't care if he pays him 3 trillion dollars in 2014-15, but after that year we have cap space and a chance to have a well-planned roster

yeah like we did 3 yrs ago
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1/30/2014  7:24 PM
RonRon wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:Is that now the 5th question that now that I have asked you that u never responded to???

If the Knicks are worth well over a billion and it's not like we were going to have cap space, why should I care if Dolan's paying $25 mil over 3 years? Why would I care if that microscopic amount is distributed unevenly among the years either?

You can't moan about Dolan paying Melo 20 mil and say its ok to pay Lin 15...You can't stand on your soapbox and spew lengthy orations about being fiscal, not overpaying, signing value then say Dolan screwed up not resigning Lin, who I think by the way has his fingerprints on those Harden comments from Parsons...


1- Yes, I thought it was a no brainer, it doesn't affect our plans for 2015 if Dolan was going to keep him at 30m for 4 years, 25m for 3 years is no biggie in fact it doesn't affect the 2015 UFA's which I would even prefer

2- I view it as 3 years 24m, while an extension for Melo would be over that for 1year vs 3 years of service in which would effect our 2015 chances of improving if he opts out this summer and resigned, I have said that I don't mind if Dolan wants to pay Melo after 2016 with a player option, I wouldn't mind but we must preserve salary cap to build a core in 2015 with all the UFA's available for the possibility to build a contender WITH MELO

3- I didn't see Kidd, Novak, MWP and Pablo, in addition to trades for Felton, AB, and Camby with those salaries being much over Lin's while I believe Lin would have been more productive than all players, instead of using the MLE for some of these positions including the picks that went with them, we could have used it to address some of our holes

4- Lin was able to get his team mates to play with on both ends very effectively, DESPITE THE LACK OF TALENT, and his teammates were happy with the system and able to play off his ability to penetrate/facilitate with consistency/efficiency, and players were NOT standing around as opposed to Melo initiating our offense. His ability to penetrate/facilitate is much missed, while Felton is on the downhill of his career

5- I did not say Lin would lead us to the promised land but he could have been a player to continue to build on with our lack of ability to add talent because of the new CBA

So you constantly bash Lin because he was coming off the bench with ex Knick's players, coaches, especially when we were winning
Well Lin has shown to be more than a bench player on Houston that we loss for NOTHING because Melo did not want to share the spotlight

Fields and Novak are not playing now but those were the same players playing a large role with Lin here
Why is Melo unable do get the most of his team mates?
Because he isn't that type of player, nothing is wrong with that, but that should be included in deciding his next contract especially with this CBA
His max extension can be 2x more than the starting salary of a max extension of 2 players that are younger


Which other questions did you claimed I dodged?

So convenient to blame Melo for every Lin ebb and flow..So glad we don't have to deal with that ...That's now Houston and Harden's problem..Seems like Harden don't want to share the spotlight huh..

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1/30/2014  7:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/30/2014  7:32 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:Is that now the 5th question that now that I have asked you that u never responded to???

If the Knicks are worth well over a billion and it's not like we were going to have cap space, why should I care if Dolan's paying $25 mil over 3 years? Why would I care if that microscopic amount is distributed unevenly among the years either?

You can't moan about Dolan paying Melo 20 mil and say its ok to pay Lin 15...You can't stand on your soapbox and spew lengthy orations about being fiscal, not overpaying, signing value then say Dolan screwed up not resigning Lin, who I think by the way has his fingerprints on those Harden comments from Parsons...


I don't care if he pays him 3 trillion dollars in 2014-15, but after that year we have cap space and a chance to have a well-planned roster

But both of u moan right now about Melo's salary..


Right, when we acquired Melo it made no sense to add his contract to the payroll - We had huge cap space. Acquiring Melo resulted in the *loss* of cap space. The same wouldn't apply to Lin.
It's really not that complicated but what matters is the impact of the contract on the team's cap space.
Moan? Can you write like a mature adult? Seriously?

Gallo is now making 10/11mil, Moz now making 6 mil?, Felton was making 7..AR, The Mayor...How is that better??

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1/30/2014  7:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/30/2014  7:34 PM
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:Is that now the 5th question that now that I have asked you that u never responded to???

If the Knicks are worth well over a billion and it's not like we were going to have cap space, why should I care if Dolan's paying $25 mil over 3 years? Why would I care if that microscopic amount is distributed unevenly among the years either?

You can't moan about Dolan paying Melo 20 mil and say its ok to pay Lin 15...You can't stand on your soapbox and spew lengthy orations about being fiscal, not overpaying, signing value then say Dolan screwed up not resigning Lin, who I think by the way has his fingerprints on those Harden comments from Parsons...


I don't care if he pays him 3 trillion dollars in 2014-15, but after that year we have cap space and a chance to have a well-planned roster

But both of u moan right now about Melo's salary..


Right, when we acquired Melo it made no sense to add his contract to the payroll - We had huge cap space. Acquiring Melo resulted in the *loss* of cap space. The same wouldn't apply to Lin.
It's really not that complicated but what matters is the impact of the contract on the team's cap space.
Moan? Can you write like a mature adult? Seriously?

Gallo is now making 10/11mil, Moz now making 6 mil?, Felton was making 7..AR, The Mayor...How is that better??


It isn't but I never said it was
You going to ever respond or just come up with a new tangent every time?
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1/30/2014  7:36 PM
it resulted in a loss of cap space but not a total loss of cap space or they would've been able to get Tyson. They just had to be smarter about how and who they traded for and be wiser constructing contracts. The Melo trade restricted the ability to be careless.
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1/30/2014  8:00 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:Is that now the 5th question that now that I have asked you that u never responded to???

If the Knicks are worth well over a billion and it's not like we were going to have cap space, why should I care if Dolan's paying $25 mil over 3 years? Why would I care if that microscopic amount is distributed unevenly among the years either?

You can't moan about Dolan paying Melo 20 mil and say its ok to pay Lin 15...You can't stand on your soapbox and spew lengthy orations about being fiscal, not overpaying, signing value then say Dolan screwed up not resigning Lin, who I think by the way has his fingerprints on those Harden comments from Parsons...


I don't care if he pays him 3 trillion dollars in 2014-15, but after that year we have cap space and a chance to have a well-planned roster

But both of u moan right now about Melo's salary..


Right, when we acquired Melo it made no sense to add his contract to the payroll - We had huge cap space. Acquiring Melo resulted in the *loss* of cap space. The same wouldn't apply to Lin.
It's really not that complicated but what matters is the impact of the contract on the team's cap space.
Moan? Can you write like a mature adult? Seriously?

Gallo is now making 10/11mil, Moz now making 6 mil?, Felton was making 7..AR, The Mayor...How is that better??


It isn't but I never said it was
You going to ever respond or just come up with a new tangent every time?

I have to look it up but if you wanted to maintain cap space with no Melo trade, we had to let the Mayor walk without resigning him...So we had a one year window before Gallo's contract had to be re-upped?..DWill might have been available??..The we had to pay Moz??If u don't want Melo at 20 mil in that space then who was available?? If u want anyone at all..

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1/30/2014  8:00 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:it resulted in a loss of cap space but not a total loss of cap space or they would've been able to get Tyson. They just had to be smarter about how and who they traded for and be wiser constructing contracts. The Melo trade restricted the ability to be careless.

We created cap space by using the amnesty clause on Billups, but it could have been saved and used more wisely if we hadn't done the Melo trade.
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1/30/2014  8:03 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/30/2014  8:03 PM
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:Is that now the 5th question that now that I have asked you that u never responded to???

If the Knicks are worth well over a billion and it's not like we were going to have cap space, why should I care if Dolan's paying $25 mil over 3 years? Why would I care if that microscopic amount is distributed unevenly among the years either?

You can't moan about Dolan paying Melo 20 mil and say its ok to pay Lin 15...You can't stand on your soapbox and spew lengthy orations about being fiscal, not overpaying, signing value then say Dolan screwed up not resigning Lin, who I think by the way has his fingerprints on those Harden comments from Parsons...


I don't care if he pays him 3 trillion dollars in 2014-15, but after that year we have cap space and a chance to have a well-planned roster

But both of u moan right now about Melo's salary..


Right, when we acquired Melo it made no sense to add his contract to the payroll - We had huge cap space. Acquiring Melo resulted in the *loss* of cap space. The same wouldn't apply to Lin.
It's really not that complicated but what matters is the impact of the contract on the team's cap space.
Moan? Can you write like a mature adult? Seriously?

Gallo is now making 10/11mil, Moz now making 6 mil?, Felton was making 7..AR, The Mayor...How is that better??


It isn't but I never said it was
You going to ever respond or just come up with a new tangent every time?

I have to look it up but if you wanted to maintain cap space with no Melo trade, we had to let the Mayor walk without resigning him...So we had a one year window before Gallo's contract had to be re-upped?..DWill might have been available??..The we had to pay Moz??If u don't want Melo at 20 mil in that space then who was available?? If u want anyone at all..


The only one of those players I ever talked about possibly re-signing was Gallo, and I never said I'd do it.
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1/31/2014  1:30 AM
tkf wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:
tkf wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:so basically carmelo contributed more to winning than losing last year, right? another simple question.

no it's not simple, because I said take away any of the players i listed and we would win less.. so no it not simple..

what I do know is that kidd isn't here, as is novak and carmelo is here and we are 17-27.. focus on this year!!!


so now answer my question..

would the knicks have won more games last year if they had a franchise player that actually defended and was a leader?

it is that simple and you have answered whether you like your answer or not. you did say that all of those players had contributed to more wins, in other words carmelo contributed to winning, and since you care about winning, you care about carmelo... which is very touching to see :)

and stop asking hypothetical questions... if you are going to play GM, better come with a REAL example with a NAME that was AVAILABLE.

last laugh, last word, current season.. 17-27 constantly 10+ games under .500, carmelo is on this team. therefore he is contributing to losing...

first season he came we were .5000

second season we were under .500 and had to have jeremy lin save the season..

last year, good year..we brought in some vet leaders

This year we are 10 games under .500 see the trend? with carmelo here, we are around the .500 area... the trend shows with him here we are closer to mediocre than great.. The data is there.. we are not that good with him here, including this current season!

this season we have missed the vet leadership of kidd and rasheed. could we have had stronger voices in the locker room? sure. could melo have been more vocal, sure? as far as last laugh last word.... uh not really. is melo a vet leader? yes!

has he been leading by example? yes!
more so this year than last! maybe his teammates are slowly catching up.

but here's the worst thing to do as a fan.... you'd rather be happy if melo fails so that you're proven right. i mean, to me, that's just pathetic.

i never did get any real example from you, did i? or did you just not read that part? case closed. jeremy lin saved the season? lol gimme a break, jeremy does not play melo's position... he plays feltons and that was 7 games.

i have not had much experience with you on the board, but you are beginning to sound more and more like a "fan" who'd rather be right than see a winning team. i had other choice words, but i'd say those in person in atlanta :)

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Last night's was a reminder of how good Melo is. We should be talking about how to build around him!

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